Is Aptom at his limit?

[H222G981]

So, Aptom being as powerful as he is and having almost every type of zoanoid in his structure. 

Is that as far as he can go now? I mean after Hayami. He was able to freeze one of the most powerful zoalords. 

So what I'm getting at is if he's given anymore power, won't that make him imbalanced?

[Matt Bellamy]

Essentially... yes.

We already know that he has reached limits before. Back when he discovered he had the absorbing power, he got to a point where they were no longer powering him up, so he had to target Hyper Zoanoids.

And now that he has absorbed so many Hypers, chances are his "base stats" probably will not improve very much more at this point. Sure, if he finds a Zoanoid with some new power he does not have, he certainly could still gain that... but unless he is able to absorb a proper Zoalord (Khan was still protected by the Crystal. All Aptom did was merge with the diluted giant body of the Draglord), it is unlikely he will ever reach anywhere near Gigantic levels of basic power.

[ROUGE]

That's an interesting question. The way I see it he can keep improving but he needs to absorb more powerful zoanoids. The Hyper zoanoid five certainly gave him a boost in power but now Sho and Agito have acquired so much more power through their armor, that Aptom isn't even in their league, sadly. He would have to absorb a Zoalord or Proto Zoalord before he could ever gain a new power level beyond his current limit.  

[Sully]

For Aptom to "evolve" he really needs a true Zoa-Crystal. Not impossible though, if he attacked a weakened Zoalord and removed its zoa-crystal then absorbed his left over body he'd basically be a super being. 

Caerlon's body better be sealed away somewhere safe or incinerated

[*guyverfan]

wouldn't the antiaptom-antibodies in the weakened/dead zoalord still protect it from being obsorbed by aptom?

i think the next evolutionary step for aptom would be a unit g! can you just imagine.

[Gazham]

He's limited only to the zoanoids he can absorb. The more types and the more powerful they get, the more powerful he will become. But I don't think he will ever get as strong as gigantic guyver or a zoalord.

[ROUGE]

7 hours ago, guyverfan said:

wouldn't the antiaptom-antibodies in the weakened/dead zoalord still protect it from being obsorbed by aptom?

i think the next evolutionary step for aptom would be a unit g! can you just imagine.

Somebody please find the Guyver 0 unit now! Make this happen!

Edited May 28, 2016 by Apollyon

[*guyverfan]

2 hours ago, Apollyon said:

Somebody please find the Guyver 0 unit now! Make this happen!

its actually been speculated by many that the guyver0 unit is actually that which agito is equiped with. the form looks slightly different because the unit seems to adapt to the host characteristics.

but hay, there's gotta be another unitg out there. my thoughts are possibly on silha.

[Salkafar]

16 hours ago, guyverfan said:

wouldn't the antiaptom-antibodies in the weakened/dead zoalord still protect it from being obsorbed by aptom?

i think the next evolutionary step for aptom would be a unit g! can you just imagine.

I don't think it would work. The G-unit is already a parasitic organism. It might try to compete with Aptom. Plus it adapts to the host, but can it adapt further after that? Aptom is a shapeshifter, it's practically his defining power - but could the armor change shape to accomodate that?

 

[Gray5]

But since Aptom overcame the anti-Aptom antibodies wouldn't he be able to absorb a dyeing Zoalord to evolve further?  

Since Aptoms whole thing is about adapting and evolving i think it would be very possible for him to merge with a G-unit since they were meant to adapt to a wide variety of users.  And doesn't Aprom have a fair amount of conscious control of his ability?   Unless the G-units have something built in kinda like an anti-Aptom antibody of sorts.

[xtro guyver]

Its the Zoacrystal which prevents aptom absorbing a zoalord, just like a guyver control metal stops him absorbing a guyver, though as shown with guyver 1 he can interface with the guyver and use it to enhance his attacks ala the freezing smasher. The only confirmed zoanoids with the aptom anti virus were neo zektole and enzyme 3, its unknown if he could absorb a libetus or if their super metrobolism would protect them.

No reason aptom as Sully said couldn't just steal a full zoacrystal and get that added into his body after all it worked for Waferdanos as he was never designed to work with a zoacrystal either

No reason a unit g would not work on aptom, the only thing it could prevent him from doing is keeping any more zoanoid dna he absorbs after he bioboosts since the current theory is once you put the armour on it puts you back to how your were when first bonded example being the scare on sho's arm still being there after the guyver regenerated him from scratch, same reason fans think if a female guyver got pregnaut she would have to avoid bio boosting until she delivers the child

[McAvoy]

Base power I think he is at his limit. He has to absorb a new and more powerful zoanoid to reach a new power. Otherwise now he absorbs zoanoids for new abilities that he doesn't have or an improvement on an existing one.

[Lindsay]

Atom's powers are limited only by the skill and imagination of Chronos (and Zeus...) scientists. As long as they keep creating tougher hides, stronger bio-blasters, fitter physiologies and more spectacular superpowers, and forgetting to protect them with an anti-Aptom antibody, he's going to get periodic boosts as and when Takaya-san considers it necessary to the plot and comes up with another awesome design.

Known Zoanoid powers we have not yet seen him use include sonic attacks and complete immunity to HF swords. Even Guyvers don't have that last one; if Guyot gets a G-unit, and Aptom eats an Enhanced Zerbubuth (we have seen some reproduced HZs and Z is one of them), he would be able to engage at close quarters and just trade HF blows (and we know he has better HF reach than a Guyver).

I don't recall him using a barrier, but we've seen a HZ with one (that had a much bigger range, proportionate to body dimensions, than Gigantic), so it's only a matter of time until he incorporates one of those into his tendency to absorb a highly specialised Zoanoid and incorporate a far stronger version of its speciality into his general purpose form.

The Libertus can punch holes through the 'regular' Hyper-Zoanoids from which his powers are derived, and a mere pair of Unus can eat a Libertus alive. (If Aptom made some clones with Unus bodies, could he create a gestalt with himself?) Whether or not there's any left of either, he has certainly not yet absorbed the strongest meal there is.

I don't see why gravity attacks necessarily require a zoacrystal - at the very least, Barcas might well figure out how to install gravity orbs on a HZ, which would also enable levitation. And, Aptom just needs to learn how to make one orb to give himself a battery. 

Dyme was an extraordinary case, but Somlum's molecular glue could probably be replicated, given enough time and resources. It'd be pretty much a win-button against a nude foe that can't just shed and regrow affected dermis and limbs.

His cloaking ability is likely an EM manipulation trick, which opens the door to Chronos developing the gamut of Magneto's repel-a-planetary-invasion capabilities. And Aptom cranking them up to eleven.

Uranus bio-engineering is known to be able to bestow the abilities to teleport and to fight in a hard vacuum. We've yet to see a Zoanoid do those, but I'm pretty confident he's already got full aquatic adaptations on file. 

Edited July 16, 2016 by Lindsay

[Lindsay]

Also: Aptom's not employed a clone squadron for a while. Imagine an army of Omega Blast forms, pouncing on a target, and simultaneously using Bio Freezer Full Burst. Hayami could create a frozen layer that immobilised; Aptom can probably take a whole facility down to near zero Kelvin. 

On top of that, we've yet to see him fuse with Gigantic. We've seen him take on forms with enough biomass, albeit when he was chaotic. And Chronos is able to confer the superpower to absorb others to gain mass… if a HZ is ever made with the capability to become Draglord size (and realistically, what else can Chronos do on short notice to counter the threat of TWO Guyverzillas?), then that's Aptom's gateway to an Exceed Fusion. 

Hell, do that with Sho and Agito, and the XD Ice Smasher crossfire will turn the Ark into a fifty mile ice cube. Flyby with XD Sonic Buster and it's the biggest blizzard since the ice age. 

You know what? Hurry up and come back, Uranus, and bring whatever enemies you created us to destroy, because Sho and Agito and Aptom could do with a challenge. 

Edited June 27, 2016 by Lindsay

[nanocon]

On 2016-05-27 at 9:16 AM, guyverfan said:

wouldn't the antiaptom-antibodies in the weakened/dead zoalord still protect it from being obsorbed by aptom?

i think the next evolutionary step for aptom would be a unit g! can you just imagine.

sorry to say but aptom literally cant use a g-unit he is part  enzyme 2 remember  so he has an enzyme in his blood that would melt any guyver unit that tries to equip to him its unavoidable.

[*guyverfan]

yep, thats true, but wouldn't he have the ability to change the chemistry of his blood makeup, so basically de-enzyming himself if the opportunity arose? 

[Super Existence]

A few things about Aptom bioboosting....

He's already covered sho with himself without harm to Guyver one so he can turn his enzyme ability on and off and I'm quite sure the unit G would adapt to it though if he fused with one.

Second if he got a guyver and then evolved again then next time e bioboosted it would reset him to his previous configuration. But if Aptom absorbed Sho could he summon the Guyver... there's a head scratcher.

 

Lindsay, Aptom does have a barrier, he used it when Apollyon launched an attack at him at Guyots hideout he clearly absorbed the hyper with the barrier after it was killed but before it dissolved away. It would be interesting though to see him absorb a powered Zerebubuth. If he did he would have a counter to every standard Guyver weapon including the megasmasher.

[*guyverfan]

actually, thats quite a good question.

i think he probably would be able to summon the unit, but the unit may actually try to reinstate/grow sho as it would detect a different brain? and not the original host.

or, perhaps not, as the organism on sho's back is bio matter from the unit that aptom cannot absorb. so he'd be able to absorb sho but not the organism.

[H222G981]

On 9/4/2016 at 5:47 PM, Super Existence said:

Lindsay, Aptom does have a barrier, he used it when Apollyon launched an attack at him at Guyots hideout he clearly absorbed the hyper with the barrier after it was killed but before it dissolved away. It would be interesting though to see him absorb a powered Zerebubuth. If he did he would have a counter to every standard Guyver weapon including the megasmasher.

Doesn't half his hyper zoanoid abilities that result in him using energy projectiles cause him fatigue though?

 

[nanocon]

On 2016-09-04 at 5:43 AM, guyverfan said:

yep, thats true, but wouldn't he have the ability to change the chemistry of his blood makeup, so basically de-enzyming himself if the opportunity arose? 

thats true but even if he did get a g unit (or a copy of one) its possible the unit would be useless to him remember in aptoms first apperence he had the ability to copy dna  and transform into a copy  of the doner which he used to copy guyver. although his copy guyver form was way weaker then a true guyver this means that aptom does  have guyver dna inside him already and once bacus upgraded him he was likly able  to become a perfect copy and just forgot he had that dna in the mix. infact his ability  to upgrade zoanoid powers that he absorbs likly stems from a g-units power to refine its host.

so if a guyver were equiped to aptom it would likly do nothing since aptom gets new powers from dna and getting more of of the same dna would do nothing. the only thing that would happen would be aptom getting guyver regeneration from the control medal. mind you this does raise an interesting question since aptom was using guyver dna in that first fight and  his arm was blasted off  does that mean that theres an aptom version of the bio boosted beast running around the forest.

Edited September 21, 2016 by nanocon

[*guyverfan]

On 21/09/2016 at 3:15 PM, nanocon said:

thats true but even if he did get a g unit (or a copy of one) its possible the unit would be useless to him remember in aptoms first apperence he had the ability to copy dna  and transform into a copy  of the doner which he used to copy guyver. although his copy guyver form was way weaker then a true guyver this means that aptom does  have guyver dna inside him already and once bacus upgraded him he was likly able  to become a perfect copy and just forgot he had that dna in the mix. infact his ability  to upgrade zoanoid powers that he absorbs likly stems from a g-units power to refine its host.

so if a guyver were equiped to aptom it would likly do nothing since aptom gets new powers from dna and getting more of of the same dna would do nothing. the only thing that would happen would be aptom getting guyver regeneration from the control medal. mind you this does raise an interesting question since aptom was using guyver dna in that first fight and  his arm was blasted off  does that mean that theres an aptom version of the bio boosted beast running around the forest.

actually, aptom doesn't have guyver dna, 

his first original 'zoanoid' form was that of a guyver, but basically just a silhouette copy, infact, he was probably the weakest out of all the lost numbers. but due to his flawed dna caused by his first failed prosessing and the constant manipulation of it by barcus to allow him to take on several different forms was which gave aptom the ability to absorb basically any other living creature. he pretty much has bacome a living human parasite!

if he was to equip himself with a gunit. his appearance would greatly vary depending on the form he chooses when first merging with the unit. but i would say his abilities/weaponry would be the same as all the other guyvers, ie, hf blades, smasher, hd beam, gravity and sound attacks. and he may have one extra special ability from his zoanoid powers, invisibility! this is possibly the only ability i think he'll be able to carry over when transformed.

remember that the gunit is just a suit of armour which enhances its host's speed and strength and has its own 'basic' weaponry.

as for regeneration, aptom already has that ability. every cell in his body is capable to absorb into a living host and regenerate himself as its been shown afew times in the manga.

[nanocon]

On 2016-09-24 at 3:15 AM, guyverfan said:

actually, aptom doesn't have guyver dna, 

his first original 'zoanoid' form was that of a guyver, but basically just a silhouette copy, infact, he was probably the weakest out of all the lost numbers. but due to his flawed dna caused by his first failed prosessing and the constant manipulation of it by barcus to allow him to take on several different forms was which gave aptom the ability to absorb basically any other living creature. he pretty much has bacome a living human parasite!

if he was to equip himself with a gunit. his appearance would greatly vary depending on the form he chooses when first merging with the unit. but i would say his abilities/weaponry would be the same as all the other guyvers, ie, hf blades, smasher, hd beam, gravity and sound attacks. and he may have one extra special ability from his zoanoid powers, invisibility! this is possibly the only ability i think he'll be able to carry over when transformed.

remember that the gunit is just a suit of armour which enhances its host's speed and strength and has its own 'basic' weaponry.

as for regeneration, aptom already has that ability. every cell in his body is capable to absorb into a living host and regenerate himself as its been shown afew times in the manga.

i am well aware of how aptom heals i but it is much different then how a guyver heals as it is still reitivly limited by his need to "eat" to do it and really its more like him taking over a healthy body rather than really healing .if he absorbed a guyver it would become near unlimited  like there's so long as a peace of him exists. further more the guyver unit is a living parisite the only inorganic part is the control metal and is not just an armour and since it is jacked into the wealders brain it is part of them . but this brings up a good question although aptom cant consume guyver due to the control metal couldent he still copy his weapons and powers through touch like he did with with bio freezer  since all he needs is a genetic sample. further more in theory he could also copy guyver gigantics enhanced ability's by absorbing some of its dna.

[Cay]

Imagine if Aptom absorbed the Ark. I think that should be his next target.

[ALASTOR]

On 11/3/2016 at 3:57 AM, Cay said:

Imagine if Aptom absorbed the Ark. I think that should be his next target.

OMG! You are a genius!

[Tora Tan]

The Ark is not a zoanoid though. It's made from a relic and probably doesn't have any human physiology that aptom could latch onto.