chapter Guyver November 2011

[LordSpleach]

Yeah I did mean his department. Sorry I is good at bad engrish!

[*Kenji Murakami]

Wow; that was one heck of a chapter. Nasty cliffhangar, though; looking forward to the next chapter.

[*BananaKing]

I'm interested in seeing what these unus are capable of in their combined state other than quadriga. Anybody else see these unus as a throwback to khan's ability to merge with other zoanoids to make a stronger form? Perhaps they were designed using his zoaform power as a base

[Salkafar]

Could be... it is really a fairly obvious idea in hindsight: mass-produce a shedload of baseline Zoanoids. Make the type basic and easy to process, so you get few mistakes and can create large numbers swiftly. Give them no special abilities except the one to merge into more powerful forms. It's strategically brilliant, but of course it only became relevant in a world where the Guyver and Zeus' Thunderbolt existed to give Chronos headaches. Ordinary Zoanoids have shown to be more than equal to conventional armies.

It is entirely possible they were based on an idea held by Kabral: He would need no specialized Zoanoids to 'bulk up'.

And the merging idea, possibly conjured from him also, was tested with Branchai...

[Matt Bellamy]

This looks like the first real challenge for the libertus, great new chapter, wonder if that spider tank mode is designed to work with guyot's zoaform

I dunno... Doesn't look like they were doing too well against the Libertus, thus probably why the need to merge them before the Libertus took care of them all.

I was kind of wondering if they would have posed any kind of challenge to the Libertus... Especially with some of the Libertus away, keeping Aptom busy... But that didn't seem to be too much of an issue... We'll just have to wait and see just how powerful Guyot's new form really is.

[*Jess♥]

I'm working on this chapter now.

I was doing some investigation into valkyrias way of talking here.. it appears to me from what i have learned, that her attitude is actually very similar to lisker's attitude.

which is of course very interesting.

[*Jess♥]

ok guys, finally got this done.

http://www.mediafire.com/?98ojju5gc4ne5hl

as usual, I have translation checked any terms that i found interesting or unusual to ensure accuracy.

please enjoy it

[Aether]

Thanks for this

after i read this chapter i will be up to date! (after about 6 months of saving up chapters to read!)

[Bio-Boosted Dude]

Nice surprise on the front page thanks for the scanlation ryuki!

not such an eventful chapter though, even after translation... hmm. oh well, at least the next one is out soon

[LordSpleach]

I wonder what the Dimer and Trimer bodies look like?

And I wonder what Agito is truly up too, cause he has Shizu protecting the mansion and he said he leave the defeat of Chronos in Sho's hands. IMO I don't buy it. After all, this is the same man that refers himself as Zeus and wants to be above all authority. Sho has the Exceed, but I think Agito has the ability to go Exceed since his Gigantic is based off the data of using Sho's Gigantic. He just doesn't know how to access it.

[*Jess♥]

i'm thinking... looking at quadriga, we might expect a quadraped and a sextaped, but in what form, perhaps similar to wolf and centaur?

[durendal]

sex taped I know, it's shallow, but hey, I find it funny. sorry.

[*Jess♥]

ha ha ha, hey I never even saw that

[Super Existence]

I have a distinct feeling Agito is pulling a fast one on Sho manipulating him to his own means.

I just don't buy he would change like that with no prior build up. Last tie we saw him he was exploring the interior of the orbs for info. I think he's using Sho to get him the Exceed data.

Just a thought.

[Zoaknight]

I wonder how well Griselda will fair against Valcuria...Normally, a Zoalord is FAR more powerful than a standard Guyver, but Griselda differs from other Zoalords in that she was designed specifically to lead and support the Libertus and thus far her HF swords appear to be her only weapons, she lacks the god like raw power of the Chronos Zoalords. Basically, while she may be able to fight Guyver II F one on one in a sword fight, if Valcuria unleashes the Guyver's firepower upon her, like the pressure cannon or mega smasher, she'll be in DEEP trouble. Furthermore, Valcuria likely has much more fighting experience than Griselda, being older than her and having gone through hyper zoanoid combat training. So yeah, so far I think Guyver II F has the upperhand in this battle.

BTW, I'm sure you guys have probably discussed this before, but I can't help but suspect that Valcuria is either....

1) Lisker's lover

2) a relative of Lisker, like a sister or daughter

3) a protege of Lisker, maybe someone he trained personally, so she respects him greatly as her teacher

I mean, there has to be a reason as to why she'd betray Chronos after years of supposedly loyal service (being an inspector and all), steal a prototype man-made guyver that hadn't been tested prior to her activating it, & then travel across the world to Japan, the hotspot for Guyver activity these days. She HAS to be out for Sho's blood for killing Lisker, a personal vendetta she needs/wants to handle herself, which she couldn't do as a loyal subject of Chronos, i.e. she felt only another guyver stood a chance of beating another guyver as opposed to becoming a hyper zoanoid, etc

What do you guys think?

[*Jess♥]

...... Furthermore, Valcuria likely has much more fighting experience than Griselda, being older than her and having gone through hyper zoanoid combat training. So yeah, so far I think Guyver II F has the upperhand in this battle.

.....I mean, there has to be a reason as to why she'd betray Chronos after years of supposedly loyal service (being an inspector and all), steal a prototype man-made guyver that hadn't been tested prior to her activating it, & then travel across the world to Japan, the hotspot for Guyver activity these days. She HAS to be out for Sho's blood for killing Lisker, a personal vendetta she needs/wants to handle herself, which she couldn't do as a loyal subject of Chronos, i.e. she felt only another guyver stood a chance of beating another guyver as opposed to becoming a hyper zoanoid, etc What do you guys think?

what?

where did you get these from?

the bits i underlined, where did you get that from?

we need to be careful not to bring in our own imaginings or stuff that is put into OVA's or TV Anime.

we haven't had any indication that she is in any way connected to Lisker.

and we have no real indication of how long she was an inspector or if she was at all a candidate for hyper zoanoid.

and we have had no indication of her age, and for that matter, Shizu's age.

[RazorLaser]

...... Furthermore, Valcuria likely has much more fighting experience than Griselda, being older than her and having gone through hyper zoanoid combat training. So yeah, so far I think Guyver II F has the upperhand in this battle. .....I mean, there has to be a reason as to why she'd betray Chronos after years of supposedly loyal service (being an inspector and all), steal a prototype man-made guyver that hadn't been tested prior to her activating it, & then travel across the world to Japan, the hotspot for Guyver activity these days. She HAS to be out for Sho's blood for killing Lisker, a personal vendetta she needs/wants to handle herself, which she couldn't do as a loyal subject of Chronos, i.e. she felt only another guyver stood a chance of beating another guyver as opposed to becoming a hyper zoanoid, etc What do you guys think?

what? where did you get these from? the bits i underlined, where did you get that from? we need to be careful not to bring in our own imaginings or stuff that is put into OVA's or TV Anime. we haven't had any indication that she is in any way connected to Lisker. and we have no real indication of how long she was an inspector or if she was at all a candidate for hyper zoanoid. and we have had no indication of her age, and for that matter, Shizu's age.

I don't see any story of her background happening anytime soon either, but I do think she will reveal it all to either G1 or G3 right before they fight. If they do, that is.

[durendal]

Well, the fact that both Lisker and Valcuria are inspectors might make you think that they are related somehow, or at least they are high enough in the ranks of cronos to know something relevant. Also, during Liskers time, wasn't inspectors supposed to be candidates for becoming hypers or any equivalent? And surely there must be a reason why valcuria would come to Japan. And the Guyvers are definitely somewhere at the top of the list.

[*Jess♥]

we might assume she has come to japan for a number of reasons. since she has purposely equipped a guyver unit, she may be targeting a zoaform/guyver in particular and one that would be reasonably powerful.

but for all we know this lady could be targeting aptom, agito, even shin.

motivation could be any number of things. she may be targeting them to attack them or even to join with them due to a deep seated crush. she may be using guyot to simply get close and then she may even betray him.

she could be after aptom as a result of being in some type of relationship with zextole or somebody else.

it's all very hard to say.

the thing about lisker being a possible candidate for hyper zoanoid, it's hard to say right now as it would mean obtaining a volume 2 which is beyond arms length and it's bed time. I don't recall any indication in the manga about him possibly being scheduled for hyper zoanoid status. I don't think that is true. besides that, we have yet to see a woman be considered as a candidate for any zoanoid within cronos.

[Zoaknight]

Well, I get the impression she's at least in her mid or late twenties, I doubt Chronos would give the title of Inspector to a teenager. As for the connection to Lisker, I realize there's no super concrete proof of it yet, but the fact that she calls herself "Guyver II Female" instead of simply Guyver 4, AND, uses the codeword "Adapt" like Lisker did, seems like too much of a coincidence to me. I mean, why name your bioboosted form after a guyver you didn't know instead of making your own codename? Or use the same codeword as him?

And I realize it hasn't been stated that she went through hyper zoanoid training, but considering how unbelievably skilled she is, coupled with the fact that she holds the same rank & position Lisker did prior to his becoming a Guyver, I can't help but suspect she had to have gone through a similar training program, and Lisker WAS supposed to be next in line for becoming a hyper zoanoid before he bonded with the Guyver instead, or at least he was in the 2005 anime (i'd have to look back at his original manga appearances to double check to see if that was still the case in the manga continuity, but I imagine Chronos wouldn't have put him through combat training if he wasn't a zoanoid candidate of somesort rather than just a bureaucrat in a suit). I know we haven't seen any female zoaforms except Griselda, but I can't imagine Chronos intends to only optimize the male half of humanity and leave the female population untapped when their goal is to bring all humanity united under their control, shrugs

I admit it would be an ironic twist if she had come to Japan in search of Aptom to kill him for absorbing a zoanoid she cared for or something, especially since he saved her not too long ago.

[*Jess♥]

good deduction is good, but please try not to state it as though it were confirmed fact.

opinion needs to be expressed as opinion, the manga is long and we can't afford to double check it every time somebody says something

[Super Existence]

The anime isn't canon.

Lisker was never to undergo hyper zoanoid training their existence didn't even get mentioned until after he had died so it wouldn't be common practice for inspectors to become hypers.

There is also no evidence so far that she is chasing Aptom. It's more a case of him following her.

[Zoaknight]

good deduction is good, but please try not to state it as though it were confirmed fact.

opinion needs to be expressed as opinion, the manga is long and we can't afford to double check it every time somebody says something

Well, I never stated it was for certain, or that it was a proven fact, only that I suspected that Val had a connection to Lisker given the similarities between them and the use of his old name and codeword. I realize there's still plenty of other possibilities out there, but I can't help but strongly suspect a link between the two. Plus, given the fact that Guyot is after the Segawa siblings again, likely as hostages to use against Sho, it seems to be the perfect setup for a forced meeting with Sho...And MAYBE Agito if they end up taking Griselda alive...Though we all know Agito's not a particularly loyal man & he already condemned Shizu to a short life when he had her become a Zoalord for the Libertus, so he may consider her an acceptable loss he could replace (taking hostages may not affect Agito the same way it would Sho, depends on how much he really cares for Shizu or how much hassle it would be to find a replacement for her). Whatever their game plan is, we know Guyot wants one of the two remaining original Guyvers, and that somehow his plans coincide with whatever Valcuria's objective is...He's gonna want one of those Guyvers in one piece so he can remove it and equip it, so if Val is actually after one of the two guyvers, everything would work out fine for the two of them as long as she got to kill the one she was targeting and Guyot got to take the other for himself. Worse of all, with hostages at their disposal, Guyot and Valcuria would be able to force Sho to fight on their terms, i.e. no Gigantic or Exceed Upgrade (no idea if this would work against Agito though, like I said before, so they may just be after Sho's & his team here).

This is all speculation of course, just making educated guesses and theories based on how Val traveled all the way to Japan, where Sho is known by Chronos to still be in hiding somewhere, whereas Agito's a bigger long shot since she had no way of knowing he'd be visiting Japan.

[*Jess♥]

I agree with most of what you're saying, I had thought the same things myself. don't worry, you don't need to explain yourself as long as you are stating your opinion.

I was just making a clear line between canon and fanon.

super existence, I only mentioned she might be targeting aptom to add to various possible reasons why she would specifically travel to Tokyo.

the only factor here is that she is targeting someone or something in Tokyo. and that someone or something needs a Guyver to take care of it.

maybe she saw a job advert in the paper calling for a model that wears bio-armour?

[alkanfel009]

if that's the case I feel sorry for her but the vacancy is alreadyoccupied