Dark Nova vs. W'Kar

[Shenzon]

Yeah that's true, but W'Kar does have limitations to his energy reserves also. He ran out of energy to power his laser's while fighting Dreadnought, when Dreadnought damaged him. Unless the energy loss was do to the damage itself.

[Juggernought]

His weapons seem to be siphoned from his huge energy reserves and can continue to use them as long as it is replenished....once all of it is used up, energy draining abilites or not..he'll be shootin blanks so to speak.

[McAvoy]

He doesn't have complete stamina. He can fight nonstop like a Warrior Guyver. However using attacks constantly will drain him faster than he can replenish his reserves. Whereas a Warrior Guyver can do that continuously. Look at how he cannot fire constantly fire his pressure cannon whereas Fighter Guyver II can.

Dark Nova does not have a stamina limitation however. Her quantum singularity is practically like a HSL in itself.

[W'Kar]

That's correct. W'Kar has a far higher level of total energy, but once expended tends to weaken him for awhile until everything catches up.

So W'Kar is capable of launching very powerful attacks, but the recovery time can kill him.

[*zeo]

Well, at least he doesn't have to listen to elevator music while it happens otherwise he may just off himself

[xtro guyver]

Well, at least he doesn't have to listen to elevator music while it happens otherwise he may just off himself

Quite true, though if wkar ever starts to customise units like anubis has been doing, I could just picture him install a feature like that in a unit just to drive its host nuts

[Zoaknight]

I agree that the fight would be a toss up. Dark Nova has more refined fighting skills as a martial artist, but W'Kar has more experience as a street fighter, and as such has a tendency to fight dirty at times (such as when he shoves one of Powered Guyver Zerebubuth's own swords up his ass, lol). His madness also has a tendency to frighten people during battle and give him an advantage, especially if he's REALLY mad. However, now that Dark Nova's power levels are on par with his own now, she may not be affected by his anger at all and instead use his rage to keep him unfocused and off balance long enough to take him out. beserker rage, no matter how much extra energy it can give you, can be a serious disadvantage if your enemy has both the power, the skills, and the intelligence to take advantage of it (think about how often Greg himself taunts his enemies into leaving themselves open for his attacks, thus evening the playing field even if said enemy is supposed to be much stronger than he is). Furthermore, W'Kar wouldn't be able to use any gravity attacks against her because that would only make Dark Nova stronger, plus she now has more stamina than him thanks to her quantum singularity. If i had to choose between them, and I really wouldn't want to, I would put my money on Dark Nova (unless Greg does that thing where he spontaneously evolves into a new, bigger, badder form like he did when his brother died twice, lol, though i didn't Dark Nova would or could do anything that could piss him off that much). Also, as much as I like W'Kar and totally enjoy his anti-heroic personality, especially when he's giving it to some high and mighty bad guy who thinks him or herself unstoppable, he can be a complete jerk sometimes (like when he nearly killed Ira, not his proudest moment). In other words, I think W'Kar could stand to suffer a wee bit of humbling (too much pride in one's own power can lead to your ultimate downfall, look at whats happening to the creators in the Anubis Saga right now, lol, talk about reaping what you sow, lol), and since he basically humiliated and went out of his way to really hurt Dark Nova back when she was in her original form of Black Nova, I think she deserves just a little payback, lol. Am I totally off base here?

[Juggernought]

She could take him if she goes all out and tried to kill him off...if he gets pissed then things will start to change, he'll only get more stronger and deadlier. And i don't believe his rage blinds him, from examples we've seen he's totally coherent when in the warrior rage its just he is now even more totally focused on rippin his enemies a new one...a big new one...

[McAvoy]

Considering that as Black Nova, she did give W'Kar some trouble. However, as Dark Nova and being stronger than W'Kar, she'd give him much more trouble than before. On top of that she'd created some sort of permenant singularity as Black nova, she can create a much more powerful attacks.

On the other hand, W'Kar has on most occasions he can take on beings in the 25x range. He has shown the ability to take on WGV and GPZ and several Bio Titans all at the same time.

[W'Kar]

Most of that was pure fighting skill right there. W'Kar knows guyver units, he knows Warrior Units, and he knows Vamores and Powered Zerebubuse. If you didn't notice W'Kar got quite ripped up towards the end.

[Sully]

In the end it would simply got down to experince, Dark Nova only has her unit a few days as it is. Give her a few months and time to REALLY pratice and she'd get some lovely payback. Put simply at this moment in the story line, Greg knows everything he needs to know about his unit and has been using it for years. She hasn't.

[McAvoy]

Agreed. She didn't even have her Black Nova unit for that long either. A max. of a two months or so.

A perfect comparison would be the fight between Primitive Guyver and Life Force Guyver.

[Shenzon]

Man, I just did a quick review over Dark Nova's new abilities, I think she would have W'Kar beat! Especially with her Hyper Lens Flare, Gravity Field Matrix, and Lightening Storm Flash abilities, the only thing on W'kar's side this time around would be her inexperience!

Hyper Lens Flare: Subject can create a gravitational vortex in front of her that she can then release the full power of her mega smashers into. The subject can then either release all the energy in a single powerful ball of destructive energy, equal to ten times the subjects normal mega smasher power output, and/or redirect the energy through a wormhole and hit her target from virtually any angle and distance at will.

Gravity Field Matrix: An ability that lets subject manipulate gravitational energy at distances up to several kilometers from herself. Allowing her to change the direction of an attack, as well as power level, at will. Easily allowing the subject to turn a simple pressure cannon into either a guided projectile and/or suddenly increase its power to that of a black hole attack. This powerful ability is limited only by subjects power and imagination.

Lightning Storm Flash: Subject can use gravitational power to ionize surrounding atmosphere and channel the resulting charge for either defense, electrified shield, or offense, either a directed bolt of energy that can be combined with a gravitational attack or released physically to enhance the affect of any physical blows upon a target (when combined with gravitational powers this attack can easily magnify the subjects punch or kick to four times their normal power). The power of this ability varies but can easily produce the equivalent power of a Guyvers Mega Smashers.

Those new abilities would be something completely new for W'Kar!

[Juggernought]

True, but he will be undergoing another 'evolution' anyway so she would still be hard pressed. But in his current state if she unleashes all her power on him it is very likely she will win. However he is highly experienced in fighting with his unit in such circumstances for well over 40 years now.

[McAvoy]

As far as I know W'Kar had his unit only for ten years. It was 2001 when the story Introduction was made, and it is 2011 or 2012 when he met Dreadnought. Unless W'Kar spent thirty years in between his issued directive from the Kregen in the WG2 universe and actually entering the WG universe, forty years is a little off.

Dark Nova is as vulnerable as a standard Guyver should she find herself getting vaporized. That's her main weakness in that she cannot escape like W'Kar or a Warrior Guyver can.

[W'Kar]

Actually McAvoy, your right. But we've been using the newer date codes. The rearrangement of dates.

[McAvoy]

Sounds interesting. I wonder how the forty years will play out then.

[Crom]

It'll play out like Pai Mei Vs The Bride.

But another idea, when Dark Nova fights W'kar I imagine it'll be a handicap match, W'kar beating dark nova and the other Guyvers that come to her aid. It'll be a shame to see so many drop like flies.

[Juggernought]

If they knew it was a "sanctioned" fight between the two of them, none of them would interfere really.

[Crom]

Sanctioned or not, few guyvers know of him, and those that do still don't trust him because he's as likely to join Chronos as he is to start a bar fight. In my opinion, W'Kar = Wild card.

But back to the fight, I see a lot of similarities to the Guyot-Alkanphel fight, and I feel it would play out similarly as well.

[WarriorZoalord]

I'd say W'Kar would win, mainly because he fought her before as black Nova, meaning he knows most of her units tricks, and he can get immune to her temporal abilities.

[McAvoy]

I wouldn't discount her because they fought before. She's on a whole new level than she was before as Black Nova. As Dark Nova she has brute power over W'Kar whereas before she was relying on her unique abilities to get past he was the one with the brute power.

However in the end, it comes down to two things. She cannot escape as easily as W'Kar or a Warrior Guyver through teleportation to hyperspace for regeneration. So shen she's dead, she really is dead. Second, is training. She has been a Guyver for only a matter of a couple of months.

[OnyxPhoenix]

Hate to do it myself, as I think Dark Nova's character is quite the a** kicker, but W'Kar has the edge in experience over most of the WG characters. His energy draining ability has versatility written all over it, and the fact that he can withstand so much damage and still remain in full control of his abilities is a real deal-breaker. Given a few more years of intense training and understanding of her unit's strengths & ranges in its new form, Dark Nova might very well take W'kar by the short and curlies and heave-ho him right through the heart of a star, so to speak. Until then, gotta give my props to W'Kar in this one. He's one bad mama jama, and he knows it. Arrogant little cuss.

[Juggernought]

And w'kar is the kind of character to get his spinal cord shattered in a fight and his unit forced him to remain standing to take the attack head on....forgot who he was fighting though.

[Armageddon]

It's from Allen's W'Kar fiction story: From the Shadows. He was fighting the Warrior Kavzar Commander in the WG2 world.

"The Commander launches the attack! He calls out a war cry and flings the massive vortex towards W'Kar, combined with his mega-smashers energy. W'Kar plants his feet, and the weapon slams into his cupped shield. Swirling and striking into it. W'Kar feels incredible pressure. Both his knees shatter, followed by his spinal cord under the intense strain. The nature of his unit however, allows him to stay upwards continuing this suicidal move."