spoilers Star Wars : The Force Awakens

[*Jess♥]

I'm not gonna write the spoilers right here.

because you might have clicked by accident.

 

I watched it on 17th december, opening day!!! I was determined not to get spoilers because this is important to me.

These past few months I've been slowly evolving into a star wars junkie. This film does not disappoint me.

I want to say I really like the episodes 1 2 and 3. I also enjoy episodes 4 5 and 6 but not as much. this doesn't mean this new film was more like eps 1 2 and 3, but I think it just has something for everyone.

I thought there was a great potential for this film to be a let-down (especially after jj abrans star trek) but I have now decided to forgive abrams and now I will consider him my pal.

was totally crying at a few points in this, mostly from exhilaration, also some pretty breath taking stuff for me personally.
so easy for there to be lots of clichés in the film but I think they were effectively avoided.

I can't say this is my favourite because i've only just seen it. but I plan to watch it again in january ( meerkat movies!! XD )

[DekaRed]

w00t w00t! this movie rocks!

[RazorLaser]

Most excellent film! Felt like a real Star Wars film. Saw it opening day, 12PM Dec 17.

 

I had only a couple of issues, which is why I rate it around 8.3 or 8.5/10... but it was fantastic!

[Salkafar]

Yuki - did I read correctly that you prefer the prequel trilogy?

[xfool]

almost like a reboot ,main difference is instead of another male main character like Luke and Anakin they get a female one this time.

 

I m guessing the next film would be"The Order strikes back"

 

Kylo Ren gets powered up and kick Rey ass at the end so Luke have to teach Rey the way of the Jedi. 

 

Luke telling Kylo Ren that he is his father

[Salkafar]

Luke telling Kylo Ren that he is his father

 

 

I'll let you sit and think about that one for a while.

[Hera]

Watched it on 17th/18th midnight. I enjoyed the movie, there were plenty of gags, some cool actions, Skywalkers saga continues. Although there were plenty plot holes I hope that in further parts they will fill them with logical explanations. Also I have mixed feelings about frame of the story, I mean it was too similar to New Hope. Nevertheless I'm satysfied with the movie ;-). 

[*Jess♥]

Yuki - did I read correctly that you prefer the prequel trilogy?

yes you read correctly

[Matt Bellamy]

I thought it was good, but not great.

 

It suffered from something similar to what Ant-Man suffered from: Major Plot and tone stolen from previous movies in the same series.

 

With Ant-Man, it stole a lot from the first Iron Man movie. But I still thought Ant-Man was a good and funny movie.

 

This movie steals too much from A New Hope. Even worse, almost copying some scenes. And I still think it is a good movie. Even if you could guess drenn a MILE away because well, we saw it before in A New Hope.

 

So when people say "Star Wars is back!" it's a more literal " They didn't change anything and gave us more of the same! I guess this is what we wanted!"

 

And it's not what I wanted, but got something good out of it anyway.

[Sully]

It does what it is meant to do.

 

It takes a Franchise that is defectively done and then restarts it and puts in as much mystery as possible. It borrows themes from itself and from other series but in the end it does a far better job than the prequel in restarting the franchise. At least from here it can move forward and thankfully it didn't have any silly races having wars with robots / storm troopers. 

 

It was enjoyable but some people expect too much and it hurts their inner nerd not to find flaws with a movie franchise meant for my nephew and not a child me.

[xfool]

the pacing feels a bit odd, at first its all about the map then suddenly they have to destroy deathstar planet , form a plan almost immediately and all went there in a matter of minutes as if the planet is just nearby. 

[Salkafar]

The pacing of 'A New Hope' was also really fast.

[LordSpleach]

Smegging cried.

[xfool]

The pacing of 'A New Hope' was also really fast.

sorry its not about the pacing, I mean the sudden shift in the focus of the movie feels kinda out of place. In "A new Hope' its focus is always on the death star and how to destroy it.  its also just too convience, to do the rescue and take down the shield at the same time.

 

I think it would have been better that the movie focus solely on the map and the Rey's rescue take place on the mother ship.  It may be trap set by Ren so he can capture the rescuers to locate the rebel base. Rey learn about the death star planet(the weapon wasnt completed yet but will be soon) and defeat Ren in similar fashion after Han's death and escape with intel on the death star. 

Edited December 22, 2015 by xfool

[H222G981]

I saw this movie last night and it was really really good. I was quite impressed with Fin and Rey. Two awesome characters. 

[*guyverfan]

fought back tears more than once, i loved it.

anyone has any info on who the sith lord is?

[Super Existence]

It was an entertaining film but ultimately fanboy lip service.

[Mirabilis]

It was okay, nothing fantastic about it. Just a revamped version of A New Hope and the underlining feminist "we don't need men!" message was pathetic at best and offensive at worst. 

[Salkafar]

the underlining feminist "we don't need men!" message was pathetic at best and offensive at worst. 

 

Something you want to tell us, Mirabilis? Because I somehow managed to completely miss that subtext in the movie.

[*Jess♥]

actually, I find that comment to be misogynist.

truth is, we don't need men in that movie's context.
we should have a relatively equal balance, sure, but we don't need men. not unless we want to see children being born. women are just as capable of getting drenn done.

[Salkafar]

Star Wars lacks strong female villains.

 

Imagine if Kylo Ren had removed his helmet... and underneath it was a woman. Admittedly a screwed-up woman.

 

Or Snoke? ....Which, of course, is still very much a possibility...

[Mirabilis]

I'm sorry you find my disappointment in a film misogynistic. I liked Rey a lot, but you could totally see that, much of her character forcibly had masculine traits to portray a message. This Starwars movie had a lot of politically correct things in it. Which was fine to an extent. From here on out SPOILERS, you've been warned.

 

I liked how she was a good mechanic and a grease monkey, it made sense for the story. It was cool she could fight off people to take care of herself when Finn tried to help out. It had some humor and it made sense. She'd been there by herself for years, self-defense would've been essential. Her attitude was also something that could be expected of such a character. It started getting annoying though when she out of nowhere became a force sensitive that was able to best an Acolyte who had actual training. Totally forced. We can do it, we don't need you! Especially after he beat Finn then she slapped him around as if it were nothing. I don't know, it seemed like an offensive rushed message. It'd been better and would've made more sense, if she had beaten him AFTER Luke trained her and she knew what she was doing. But again, remember I am a harsh movie critic. 

I don't know, people think her character is groundbreaking, and that we've never had an awesome heroine before. She was an okay hero, but she'll never live up to Ripley for me, the baddest of the bad when it comes to awesome female heroes. Let's not forget Sarah Connor, Katniss Everdeen, Beatrix Kiddo, Gretel, Phoenix, Storm, Black Widow, Selene, Sonja, Cat Woman, Gamora, Babydoll, Neytiri, Letty Ortez, Trinity, Hit-Girl, Vasquez (a personal favorite of mine), and the newer Imperator Furiosa.

This was just a small list of awesome kickass heroines. You know what they have in common? They've all received training of some sort. They have great character development and none of them are rushed through the plot to get to the climatic end. None of them have a political message or agenda hidden behind them. They're true to their own character. They're all awesome because you can see how their character progresses in the story, sometimes going through training and become even better. None of them are just magically better for just because, or "reasons". It was poor story writing and plotting. Like I said, I liked Rey up to a certain point, then it just seemed like they were just pushing it. It would've been better to wait on their fight til the next movie, or have her loose the first duel and then come back and beat the guy. It would've given her motivation to come on top and to best him. It just didn't make any sense. I mean, would you believe some random individual could best a martial artist who had received training from a master? Of course not, the idea is preposterous. Yet, that's exactly what happened in the movie. I dunno, call me a misogynist if you want, I still believe the message behind it was absurd.  

Edited December 29, 2015 by Mirabilis

[Matt Bellamy]

I'm sorry you find my disappointment in a film misogynistic. I liked Rey a lot, but you could totally see that, much of her character forcibly had masculine traits to portray a message. This Starwars movie had a lot of politically correct things in it. Which was fine to an extent. From here on out SPOILERS, you've been warned.

 

I liked how she was a good mechanic and a grease monkey, it made sense for the story. It was cool she could fight off people to take care of herself when Finn tried to help out. It had some humor and it made sense. She'd been there by herself for years, self-defense would've been essential. Her attitude was also something that could be expected of such a character. It started getting annoying though when she out of nowhere became a force sensitive that was able to best an Acolyte who had actual training. Totally forced. We can do it, we don't need you! Especially after he beat Finn then she slapped him around as if it were nothing. I don't know, it seemed like an offensive rushed message. It'd been better and would've made more sense, if she had beaten him AFTER Luke trained her and she knew what she was doing. But again, remember I am a harsh movie critic. 

I don't know, people think her character is groundbreaking, and that we've never had an awesome heroine before. She was an okay hero, but she'll never live up to Ripley for me, the baddest of the bad when it comes to awesome female heroes. Let's not forget Sarah Connor, Katniss Everdeen, Beatrix Kiddo, Gretel, Phoenix, Storm, Black Widow, Selene, Sonja, Cat Woman, Gamora, Babydoll, Neytiri, Letty Ortez, Trinity, Hit-Girl, Vasquez (a personal favorite of mine), and the newer Imperator Furiosa.

This was just a small list of awesome kickass heroines. You know what they have in common? They've all received training of some sort. They have great character development and none of them are rushed through the plot to get to the climatic end. None of them have a political message or agenda hidden behind them. They're true to their own character. They're all awesome because you can see how their character progresses in the story, sometimes going through training and become even better. None of them are just magically better for just because, or "reasons". It was poor story writing and plotting. Like I said, I liked Rey up to a certain point, then it just seemed like they were just pushing it. It would've been better to wait on their fight til the next movie, or have her loose the first duel and then come back and beat the guy. It would've given her motivation to come on top and to best him. It just didn't make any sense. I mean, would you believe some random individual could best a martial artist who had received training from a master? Of course not, the idea is preposterous. Yet, that's exactly what happened in the movie. I dunno, call me a misogynist if you want, I still believe the message behind it was absurd.  

 

I am thinking that you maybe did not pay much attention to that final fight.

 

She didn't soundly beat him. When they were trading blows, a lot of it was her on the defense. She only really got the best of him, after he had let his guard down a bit in trying to recruit her, and she was able to resist, while he was partially distracted.... After she had relaxed and let go of the fear she was feeling in that situation.

 

Besides, Kylo Ren did not seem all that apt at using a light saber either, as even Finn, who is not Force sensitive at all, was still able to clip Kylo Ren with a light saber, without even being trained in saber combat ( though we'd assume he'd have some melee training from the First Order.) he was not "slapped around".

 

Now, the whole thing about Rey being good with machines, and Force sensitive goes back to Anakin Skywalker ( Which a lot of speculation is that she is a Skywalker herself). Who, at a very young age, built a droid and a pod racer, in which he also raced. He is her parallel in this story. Except that she is so force sensitive (maybe due to being older than when we found Anakin), that she was able to convince a Storm Trooper ( Daniel Craig) to release her and drop his weapon, without ANY training... Only stuff she had heard about in legends.

 

So her, using the force to pull the saber, her, in the end, beating Kylo Ren who was conflicted and she was not... Was fitting, and would have happened the same way if both characters were female, both male, or sexes reversed.

[Mirabilis]

I completely disagree Matt. Side note: I foresaw her being Kylo's younger sister since the first trailer myself. The siblings having to fight it out rather than parent and child it would be siblings. However, that's not my issue.


I found this battle completely forced in there and it was so awkward, I couldn't even enjoy it. Mind you, I'm not the only one who saw this and feels this way. I already said from the get go I didn't have a problem with her character, or her knowing mechanical stuff, or knowing self-defense. It was how she was somehow this great all powerful force sensitive that was able to best someone who was far superior to herself with relative ease. It was a joke. Even Finn, who as you noted, received melee combat as a Stormtrooper was bested. Yet, this person who happened to have no training whatsoever was able to beat this guy? Please, totally forced and a joke. We all know it was put in there just please a certain crowd and to follow a politically correct society.

[Salkafar]

And why not? Yoda was a two-foot green squirt who bested Count Dooku. More training? How much training makes a difference eventually? Luke Skywalker beat Darth Vader - not because he had been trained for a grand total of MAYBE a week (Or? Just how long was Luke tutored by Yoda, anyway? Did he return to Dagobah between 'Empire' and 'Return'? But how much training could he have done, compared to the four decades of Darth Vader?) but because he let the Force flow freely. The power of a Jedi comes from the Force.

 

And Rey was a fresh Force user... barely been introduced to the concept... but was that really true? How long had she been surviving, alone, on a desert planet, eating what little rations she could afford, but nevertheless healthy as a horse and pretty as a picture? In her duel with Kylo Ren, she was giving him a fight, but then he made yet another mistake to compound the many he already had: he alerted her to the fact she was using the Force. And suddenly, it went 'click' inside her head.

And what was she fighting with? Luke and Anakin's old light saber. It was shown in the movie itself that objects, especially objects so intensely Force-applied as a light saber, retain 'echoes' of their wielders. Is it possible the sword was 'teaching' her to fight? Or guiding her hand? Kylo Ren was pretty eager to get his hands on it. Because it had belonged to Darth Vader? Maybe, maybe not - Vader made his own light saber (Which presumably blew up with the Death Star), and he desperately wants to be a lord of the Sith, not a Jedi.

 

And Kylo Ren was not at his best. He wasn't just bleeding from the hole in his side Chewie gave him (Kind of odd that it was bleeding though. Don't those blasts cauterize?), he had just told Han that he was torn up inside from the struggle between the Dark and Light sides. He had hoped that killing his father would decide the struggle once and for all, but it doesn't seem that way - imagine how that made him feel. And the way a Jedi or a Sith feels affects their power in the Force. Early on in the movie he stopped a blaster bolt without even moving. Now, he couldn't even telekinetically lift a light saber.

 

And then he finds himself facing a woman he knows for a fact is a very potent Force sensitive, and what's worse he himself awakened her by poking her with the Dark side. Everything has gone wrong from the moment he took her prisoner, instead of pursuing the droid. The failure of the plan is entirely his fault. The most powerful weapon ever created is collapsing about him, he has failed to obtain Skywalker's location and his father's death has not brought him what he so desired.

Given that he did everything wrong so far, and she is much, much stronger than she was even that morning, he must have felt severe doubt and fear. Something Rey did not: there was no doubt at all, and she had little reason to fear this guy who had failed to defeat her even when she was at his mercy.

 

Where the Force is concerned, training is less important than the connection you have to it. He was outmatched: even the deepest darkness must flee before even the weakest light.

 

"We all know it was put in there just please a certain crowd and to follow a politically correct society."

 

I really wish you hadn't put it that way. "We all know"? I certainly know no such thing. Please don't speak for me.

 

***

 

One more thing... Rey used an unusual sort of swinging technique where she sort of jabbed the blade inward, almost like she was pushing it in like a corkscrew. I've only ever seen that motion used in light saber combat by one other person.

 

 

Odd, that.

Edited December 30, 2015 by Salkafar