chapter Guyver June 2013

[Salkafar]

(reads scanlation)

 

Hmmm... so the boost organism doesn't always consume the host. It can also transform it.

 

Or... perhaps it does consume the host, but takes on some of its characteristics as a means of self-defense? That's diabolical, that's like 'The Thing'.

Come to think of it: That IS what the Bio-Booster monster did after the Guyver's arm grew into the Sho-clone. It imitated him, but without the control medallion, it could not replicate his memories and personality...

 

Less info in this one than I hoped. Two months of waiting!

[Enzyme-eternal]

Well not as much information as I was hoping for, and a lot of it was just recapping old stuff.  Oh well, it was interesting nonetheless ^^

[Larz Zahn]

I think that the Guyver clones do retain the memories of their original host. Remember that the clone went to sis school and wandered a bit, even eventually wore clothes. I'm thumb that it was still growing/maturing when Sho absorbed it.

Edited April 30, 2013 by Larz Zahn

[daveblackeye152]

We must have a pretty good amount of chapters for the next book. I think the first chapter of the next book is Mizuki and Testuro waking up on the island? How many do we have?

[*Jess♥]

we have 154 pages so far. if we add 16 we have 170.

likelihood is the next chapter will be the last one of volume 30.

 

(p.s. the pledge system is active so you who were waiting for it, go have a look in the pre-order thread.)

[*Kenji Murakami]

Cool; I'll be able to check Kinokuniya for the new volume, soon.

[Bio-Boosted Dude]

Oh no, a break next month!? How ever will we cope?

I'm guessing that an artificial bio-booster such as Val is the same deal as a proto-type Zoalord from what this chapter shows. Although hopefully Takaya will hold off on killing this Guyver II prematurely again.

Thanks a lot for the scanlation guys.

[daveblackeye152]

Bummer about the break but it was gonna happen sooner or later. I guess I see now why Valcuria could be so dangerous: perhaps her faulty control medal could show the way towards having a temporary army of Guyver. Heck I mean that's not too different from the Libertus or Enzyme IIIs.

[Salkafar]

...They created one, they could create more...

 

another thought: have the Zoalords attempted to control the Bio-Booster organisms themselves, with their own psionic abilities, sort of doing the work of a control medallion themselves?

[guyverfanatic]

I think it is likely that Valkeriya is likely to be Oswald's wife or sister...

[Larz Zahn]

She's his sisters roommates cousins aunts friends mothers brothers wives nephews neices sister. Twice removed.

[Aether]

im thinking purely because of the way the name was announced - that it is his little sister...

'Oswald A Lisker ' and  'Valkyria F Lisker'

i mean regardless if you have a middle name or not people dont usually go around announcing it like that,so it could be a family thing?

 

or

 

they could be husband and wife who met through cronos and got wed??? ahhhh... a nice cronos wedding ! I wonder if Barcas wore a nice hat??

 

anyway...

i dont think it was a revelation about the organism, i think Takaya was just reiterating the fact that the boost organism needs to have the control metal or its just uncontrollable...

i.e. the bird and mouse chimera is just a genetic mess, you wouldnt be able to seperate them into a bird and mouse again they are just a hybrid of the boost organism, mouse and bird, ...but with a control medal you can call the armour let the creature enhance the host and extract the boost organism from the host when required.

 

another thought: have the Zoalords attempted to control the Bio-Booster organisms themselves, with their own psionic abilities, sort of doing the work of a control medallion themselves?

 

as for the Zoalords psionically controlling the creature - that wold take some doing wouldnt it !?

 

they would effectively have to be a pupeteer for it controlling its every move, rather than just having to give a single command to a zoanoid and them carry it out themselves... but im guessing it wouldnt work anyway, because it seems that the boost organism isnt a sentient creature or at least it doesnt have a brain like a human.

[*YoungGuyver]

Aptom doesn't have a brain like a human.

The boost organism shows motivation.  As even a puddle it can find prey, and feed.  It may not be a brain that we recognize, but it works

[alkanfel009]

all this talk seems we are becoming clear that the creature bio bost, is very similar to Aptom, is very unlikely to have a mind more governess, assimilate, improve, adapt, repair, consume,

 

whether it be controlled by controlling medal,

 

here is where my question arises, which is the creature esactamente bio boost,

 

recotdamos all the occasion that sho clone appears depsues the fight with enzyme, the creature, not one Zoanoid hera, but if possessed all the characteristics of one, that means

 

the creature is similar to Aptom, and control medal is his bondage, but this has an independant mind?

 

or attached to a mind control rudimententaria medal?

 

or is capable of storing memories,?

[Aether]

yeah the boost organism has some kind of brain , but it works differently to a humans otherwise if it could be controlled by telepathy why would the creators bother with the control metal??

 

the whole thing of control in the Guyver boils down to telepathic control - Creators over Zoalords , Zoalords over Zoanoids. 

 

Guyver was ''out of control'' or a ''non standard product'' (or whatever) because it wouldnt respond to telepathic command when boosted, so in a sense Aptom is a ''Guyver '',  but not the Bioboosted organism kind.

[*Jess♥]

Can zoalords control things that aren't zoanoids or humans?

since the creators specifically guided humans to be that way, can we easily assume they might have any power over other things?

[alkanfel009]

frankly I doubt it, I think to be able to control something, with his telepathy, that is a Zoanoid nececitan as otherwise please could haver used that power with fellow Guyvers as mizuki, Tetsuro,

 

frankly I think their control as its name indicates is limited to zoanoides, and I think I have a theory for why the creature and the medal Control, are together,

 

medal is control unit that regulates and protects the human, maybe not only your body but your mind of the creature bio boosted

 

in other words is very pocible if Aptom Control go up one medal, this would be a full-blown guyver to join a human being's mind control Aptom medal suppressed by the orders of the human,

[Guyver0]

I do wonder why Chronos hasn't made anymore false Guyver units?  I mean I know that they probably don't want to use one on a Zoalord because with it being only a cheap imitation of the real thing it could possibly have a negative effect.  Chronos probably doesn't want to merge a Zoanoid with it either in fear of the Zoanoid being free of the Zoalord's mind control and potentially end up with another renegade Zoanoid that could side with the Guyvers.

 

Is the reason being that the process of creating a false control medal too difficult or do they not have enough of the bio-boosted organism to replicate?  Either way it does beg the question what did (does) Chronos plan(ned) to do with it?

[Larz Zahn]

I think that the replication issue is due to the fact that cronus doesn't have another control metal. The that Guyver 2f has was originally Oswald's.

[*guyversudo]

I agree with I believe the Guyver2F control metal Has been reconstructed from the failed original Guyver2 control metal as well.

[Aether]

I think that the replication issue is due to the fact that cronus doesn't have another control metal. The that Guyver 2f has was originally Oswald's.

 

I agree with I believe the Guyver2F control metal Has been reconstructed from the failed original Guyver2 control metal as well.

 

 

i dont get how either of you came to that conclusion?....

 

from what i gather in this chapter Shin was saying that Cronos cultivated the 2f's bioboost organism from a sample of Guyver 2's boost organism - not the control metal.... thats why he explains that they had to make an ''artificial control metal'' to control it.

 

he also said it was incomplete and they had halted the project... that is why Valkyria is having problems as the control metal was not complete because due to its complexity, Cronos scientists couldnt fully replicate the tech that the advents made.

[Larz Zahn]

It was an assumption made by me grooming something read in previous issues. I haven't had a chance to read this new chapter yet.

[alkanfel009]

this is something that intrigues me,

 

I really do not think it's completely one medal Control 100% check by chronos, I think somewhere deven have used orijinal unit, I say this because the technology is so abansada creators to comparison of the current human, which is like comparison, the current technology of ace, 15.000 years,

 

 

so I think that at least the inner part that connects the brain with the control unit is the recovered

 

[Aether]

this is something that intrigues me,

 

I really do not think it's completely one medal Control 100% check by chronos, I think somewhere deven have used orijinal unit, I say this .....

 

so I think that at least the inner part that connects the brain with the control unit is the recovered

 

 

its a possibility but Takaya doesn't state that.

obviously im not the authority, but i don't think its probable because....

the best information we can get from the manga is that they reverse engineered the design from data gathered from observations of G2's Control Metal, but could not get it 100% correct.   there is no mention of a repair or anything using Guyver 2's inner metal as the base.

and if you think about it if the G2 metal wasn't faulty then Oswald A. Lisker would probably have regenerated . the G2 unit was faulty to begin with so if they did use it as the base for the Artificial Metal it would be flawed from the beginning.

maybe that is another reason why the Artificial Metal is faulty because there data was from a faulty / damaged control metal? or maybe its just that it was too advanced a technologically for Cronos to replicate.

Edited May 8, 2013 by Aether

[Larz Zahn]

Or (just a joke) Oswald did regenerate. But due to a faulty control metal, he returned as she!