The spectrum

[*Jess♥]

here is a test of the html encoded page.

I am thinking this would be a good way to present the monthly chapters and perhaps the tankoubons as well.

http://japan-legend.com/guyver_advocacy/htmltest/1301-01.html

This is a far easier process than cleaning and typesetting.

of course it does not use photoshop so for our typesetters, I would have to give the process and the program to use. once it is set up though, it is very easy.

[Aether]

i would suggest an unwatermarked version for trusted members and a massively ridiculously blatant watermark on a public release. however Ryuki has made it plain he wants to stop scanlating for the advocacy so i can respect that.

i think that the HTML idea is a very cunning plan!!..

but i will say that i think it sucks for us. i only say this because i like reading the scanlation- im just being honest, however ...

... this is far better than having no guyver advocacy at all.

the only thing i would ask is that a script would be made available for trusted members when a tankobon is released because i would still want /need to read along with the physical tankobons.

Edited December 10, 2012 by Aether

[Guyver0]

The HTML is very cool, but I am not to sure if it is the best way to go. I still have to side with the Watermark.

Maybe you should cast a voting poll Ryuki and see what the other members have to say?

[*Jess♥]

before we do anything like that, we have to bring up the question of what a watermark will achieve.

let's consider the situation that we currently have. we place our mark on the lower right hand corner of each release. if we visit the manga hosting site in question, we see our work being reposted. it is obvious because right there on the page is our mark on the bottom right hand corner. so what has this mark achieved? nothing.

so then consider the situation where we make the mark bigger, and cover all of the art with it.

we can then go and look at manga hosting sites to see if they have taken it. do you think our watermark will have stopped them? of course not. they will do exactly the same as they have already done. what will we have achieved?

you know the answer.

I like a scanlation as much as the next guy, trust me. but we cannot let these sites get away with this drenn.

plus, seriously guys, if we want manga that is enjoyable to read in english, on the page, then shouldn't we be pushing harder to get it officially published?

I know I probably don't do enough myself. I'd like to try harder to get a release over here. I just hope I can help to inspire others to do what I have failed to so far.

[LordSpleach]

I can understand wanting the watermark just for an easy save to a computer, but I agree with Ryuki on this one cause it does achieve the purpose of Guyver Advocacy. That being said, a vote might be needed, and it's truly up to the Guyver Advocacy members what they want to do.

I know I'm just a fan in this case, and my opinion is just an opinion.

[Khamen]

hi everyone, as you most likely can see, I just registered to this site.

Even thou I am new to posting here, I have got all Guyver books from this awesome site.

And that I thank you all very much!!

So I am a little concerned when I looked up this topic, my only wish is that "somehow"

even I get a chance to see/read Guyver in the future. Whatever you decide on doing to protect

your work.

(dont mind my bad spelling)

Regards Khamen

[Aether]

plus, seriously guys, if we want manga that is enjoyable to read in english, on the page, then shouldn't we be pushing harder to get it officially published?

I know I probably don't do enough myself. I'd like to try harder to get a release over here. I just hope I can help to inspire others to do what I have failed to so far.

Ryuki,who has done anything more than you??

it doesnt make sense why the Guyver hasnt been picked up for publishing, maybe the difficulties chuang yi had with kadokowa extended to the native english speaking / reading countries companies aswell????

@ VOTING

i think its pointless to have a vote..

we either have a version everyone can access or we dont, the site hosts a stealable version or it doesnt

to have a release everyone can access we need to do the html pages, BUT ALSO if we want to keep it private we could have a scanlation accessible to trusted members and if we see fit release a watermarked version.

when i say watermark, really i mean a ruined version, with a MASSIVE SIGN PLASTERED on it that you can't even see through that just makes it impossible to read the manga at all, you can barley see the panels because JAPAN-LEGEND.COM is plastered all over it.

the point in this ?? - to piss everyone else off and discourage them from even bothering in stealing that version...

childish? yes.

fun for us? yes.

force them to come to JL for the html version? yes.

at the end of the day i dont mind what happens as long as the advocacy continues and i / we can continue to understand the guyver story in english.

i unashamedly vote for scanlations but to fulfill the requirements of the advocacy i dont see another solution other than the html.

Edited December 11, 2012 by Aether

[Bio-Boosted Dude]

things get complicated when we have multiple versions of releases, especially when they're done in radically different formats.

I quite like the html version, very nifty and effective for stopping people from hosting it themselves. i could understand maybe releasing a couple watermarked pages to the public, to say "hey, new guyer is out, check it out on japan legend", but for a full blown system, i think the html is really cool.

[*Jess♥]

I'm just glad you guys like it. I thought it was pretty nifty when I tried it out.

I've done a fair bit of typsetting in the past and creating the html page was like a dream.

and reading the end result is so interesting.

I like the idea of screwing with those sites.

prepare a version of a scanlation which is subtly mocking them. this is something i thought about over the past two days. watermark is cool, but what if we sort of invented our own dialogue, that dialogue would be written in a way that mocks manga hosting sites and tells people to go to the right place for the manga. if they are stupid enough to re-post that to their site then it would be so funny and also a great job.

Khamen, nice to meet you.

[river_chaos]

it doesnt make sense why the Guyver hasnt been picked up for publishing, maybe the difficulties chuang yi had with kadokowa extended to the native english speaking / reading countries companies aswell????

There's just been too many companies in the past that have claimed copyrights over publishing the Guyver, including Viz (whom I dislike with a passion for screwing around with the images). Getting copyrights is a hassel as it is, buying said copyrights from multiple companies is an even bigger hassel.

As for the html idea: go for it!

Hi Khamen! Welcom to JL!

[durendal]

Want to screw over those sites? What better way than to do a screwed up translation and force feed it to them? Remember that Colonoscopy bit that Agito had when he had the Navigation sphere? I remember that bit either pissing a lot of people off or making a lot of people laugh.

[lost unit]

yeah the html is a good idea gives people more of a challenge to read it. I have seen sites that also cancel out right clicking so they cant save the page. Another way i seen is to make the manga viewer half its size so they only see half of the page and have to scroll down to see second half with also a cancelled right click to save the page so the scanlation would still be done looks like alot of thought has gone into this subject. After all we still want people to carry on the interest in guyver and not pushing the interest away from new people.

What ever decision you make i will go with its all trial and error at this stage, its not long before the next chapter arrives.

What will happen to the VDF translated will that be protected from new people ripping us off.

We have just started the guyver movie book translation which is also a good book we dont want other sites getting their hands on it too. I think these should only be viewed by vip members who are at leasr contributing to the site.

[*Jess♥]

lost unit, I am not sure what to do about the VDF etc.

we have had these available for a very long time so I am thinking a lot of people already have those pages saved to their computers. I can't see any need to change the way they are presented.

about the new book though, I think the html method of presenting it is very effective.

not only is it easier and less time consuming, it is nifty and it also deters people from potentially stealing.

on top of that, it presents the book in it's original format for any member who can read japanese or has an interest in learning or simply wants to see the original text for some other unspecified reason.

[lost unit]

would a scanlation still have to be made for the html to work or is it done with text linking. if the end of scanlating is upon us i will feel useless i like to do my bit for the site. The movie book i hope will still get translated.

[Cannibal]

The HTML idea is interesting.

I remember that I saw somewhere a nice anti-stealing method using by some manga-hoster site. They somehow split every page in many little pictures and put them together inside the online reader. I don't know if it is a good measure, but at that moment I was confused - "how do I save that to my HDD???". To use a photoshop to compose them together was not an option. And my screen was not big enough for screencaping it.

Edited December 11, 2012 by Cannibal

[*Jess♥]

if the end of scanlating is upon us i will feel useless i like to do my bit for the site.

If you are willing, I would like to teach you how to do an html page.

I don't want to 'put you out of a job'.

cannibal, that sounds like a very clever idea. I think that is possible to do with photoshop.

you can slice images up and save as a html page.

print screen is the enemy though.

[lost unit]

i have no objections to learning Ryuki if it comes to it. The page splitting seems alot of time and wastes space and sometimes pages flood into others. Im surprised you you haven't heard from the administration at spectrum putting up their defense.

[durendal]

would a scanlation still have to be made for the html to work or is it done with text linking. if the end of scanlating is upon us i will feel useless i like to do my bit for the site. The movie book i hope will still get translated.

Don't worry. If you want, I can provide you with a comedic script for you to edit just for fun. I actually want to try this new setup. We maintain the html setup, and we do a scanlated version using funny scripts. Let's see if the other sites are desperate enough to host those chapters. Would be priceless to see the faces on the readers while they read the chapter. Of course, we leave those chapters clean of any markings, and put a fine print in the last page of the chapter telling the readers to come here if they want the real translations.

[hlxino]

I just made an account to make a posting to this topic.

I have been following Guyver since the first time it got published in Italy back in old 1994 and had every single book until i left the country a coupple of years ago and been following this website avidly since then.

I understand your frustration with plagiarism and whichever method you guys decide to adopt i will support it, just let us common mortals be able to follow this series in an understandable form!

The HTML approach seems to be able to resolve quite a few problems and looks good. The private forum method although might sound good I think it would put a barrier to new people who want to give a "try" to this manga and to be honest material will leak out sooner or later whether it is tomorrow or in 2 years time.

I am even happy with just having translations on a forum page and having to "fit" them in speach balloons myself, and I can speak on behalf of another 10-12 friends who all got into guyver after i convinced them but are unable to buy the physical releases anymore.

Just wanted to give the props for your work.

[*Jess♥]

Don't worry. If you want, I can provide you with a comedic script for you to edit just for fun. I actually want to try this new setup. We maintain the html setup, and we do a scanlated version using funny scripts. Let's see if the other sites are desperate enough to host those chapters. :mrgreen:/> Would be priceless to see the faces on the readers while they read the chapter. Of course, we leave those chapters clean of any markings, and put a fine print in the last page of the chapter telling the readers to come here if they want the real translations.

yes this sounds wonderful.

if it is subtle then there is more chance of it being uploaded to various sites.

but before it is posted I want to ask that any pages be sent to me in private.

I want to add some things to the EXIF data.

The private forum method although might sound good I think it would put a barrier to new people who want to give a "try" to this manga and to be honest material will leak out sooner or later whether it is tomorrow or in 2 years time.

absolutely. even if it were just a case of somebody using a school computer and their mate logging in their account.

[Aether]

i dont think the private forum idea would be a barrier to newcomers if we had a version for inside the forum and still host the html for the public... anyway, ive made my point that i love a scanlation but that i am also fully behind the HTML, so whatever happens happens.

i must say i love the idea of doing a faux version for release.

i say start off subtley and then really start taking the P after a few chapters and see if they notice.

[LordSpleach]

So I agree with the Guyver Unabridged parody!

[Guyver0]

Sounds like fun. You have my vote.

[*V Guyver]

I'm going to go over on how i feel about this.

Q:Should we limit the accessibility to the fandom work Guyver Advocacy has done for Guyver fans?

A: No, I feel that that would destroy the purpose for which this site was built.

Q:Should we add more copyright information to the pages, like watermarks, URL's, and disclaimer of distribution?

A:Absolutely, this should of been more thorough from the start since someone took the work and is now possibly generating a bit of revenue off this. This is the nature of the internet, and in turn you should expect another couple of sites to follow up in making duplicate postings. Closing down the site or other drastic measures would have little effect since there is now a copy online of all this work thanks to spectrum. It should of been expected. Even if spectrum was taken down too, someone out there would have it, and even search engine spiders have a copy image already.

Q:What should we do now?

A: Carry on, this is normal. Doesn't make it right, but it just means we proceed and enjoy what we enjoy, it's not like we actually own the franchise, it's just a matter of being more careful on how we release updates. Granted they will likely take the updates, but now we know what to expect and can have a properly prepared page setup for dealing with it.

Q:What will happen to Guyver as a result?

A: As frustrating as this is, it actually works out for us in a way. If Guyver Advocacy's work spreads to the most popular sites, this in turn spreads Guyver's awesome manga plot and increases a fan base for a franchise to a new generation or a group who thought it wasn't continued. This may of been a shameless theft of fanwork, but it's also a chance for us to spread guyver, and with the URL's and digital imprints, we have a chance to attract more fans here.

Q:What about Spectrum?

A:Honestly, I don't know? If you want, contact them and tell them we are unhappy, or ask them how they came about this sites work? I think an apology would be in order. i would like it if they would ask permission as well, if they do ask it wouldn't be too bad to let them host it, though i'd like to know if they make money off the work, in which case we shouldn't let them. Another problem is if they don't care and do what they want, but it's a matter of how communication would go. You can probably look up spectrum's webmaster if you want to really get down to the source of the site.

[Toku Warrior]

Wow, again I don't log on for a long period of time and I miss a lot.

Ryuki, U have every right to feel that way you do and did once it was shown that the Advocacy's hard work was being ripped off. As such, I believe U made fair measures of what needed to be done until U saw sufficient results from your actions.

Now, I do like this new idea of the html page code with the images. And the test page was an easy read and not bad on the eyes. Of course, do note that I haven't read any chapters of the manga since Aptom got ambushed by the Libertus and Mode C was used. Yeah, I've been out of the Guyver-loop that long. But it's nice to see U trying new ways to keep the work alive, advocate it to the fans and wanting to screw with the "rippers" who can't do a jack-drenn translation on their own and at the expense of their own free time and dime.

So a parody idea is a nice idea and it would really mess with their heads.

As for the part of only giving the links to trusted members, well, that could work and then again, it might not. It all depends on the approach of how you go about it in the end. I may not be on site as much as I used to be but, U do have my email so drop me a line if U need any help.