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You know that is a hard uestion to answer. The proof is some where but I don't have it. I don't have an argument against or for the belief. But I will say that I believe in a higher power that gave birth to life here on Earth. I could give this presence or physical force the name god, but I choose to merely call it a higher power. So I'm going to say I believe in god but I hope my meaning behind is taken into account

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Now for my opinion I personally don't believe in a god because the whole notion of there being a god is well something that intersted me for quite a while but after every thing the church had put me through pretty much jaded me to the whole idea of releigon. And Twilight you bring up the idea of there just being a higher power. But yet again I can't say that I agree with that notion. I don't know how the universe came in to being nor do I really care the one thing I do know is this, "what came first the chicken or the egg." it's the same thing what came first god or well us.

P.S. - The church ruined me by its rules. I wasn't in agreement with their way of thought so hey what I'm to do. I veiw most releigon christianity included as a form of mythology. An as such I'm in to that and stuff but mostly just ancient mythology from greek to norse to babalyonian(sp?).

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Note a belief in god and religion are not necessarily the same thing.

I believe in god for example. . . I just don't believe in religion since religion is an invention of man, not god.

Along with all the bad karma every single religion in the world has, since religion has caused the death of more people than any other factor in human history.

Whether god actually exists is a matter of faith since scientifically it can neither be proven nor disproven.

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Much like James, I belive there is a God, but every single religion out there is designed to show one persons view of God over another and it's all about power. As such I defy all religions, but in doing so am I starting my own religion... lifes a bitch some times :P

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Yes, I believe there is a God or at least a form of higher power out there somewhere. I believe it simply because if there was no God, I would not be alive at the moment. My birth was very hairy and I still didn't make it out completely unhurt. I've been scarred with Cerebral Palsy for my lifetime. (I personally hope the technology is developed that can repair my body and fix others like me.)

I also believe that things happen for a reason. Take my father's death for example. It hurt me greatly but has helped me to grow emotionally and as funny as this may sound, introduced me to my current girlfriend who has helped me to get past these horrors.

I personally believe that he had something to do with our meeting even though his physical body is no longer on this Earth.

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I personally believe that there is no god, but I'm always willing to admit when I'm wrong when presented with strong evidence to the contrary.

I do believe that if there is an extremely powerful being who created the universe, it would be so beyond comprehension of a normal human that no meaningful judgement of it could be made by humans. Like Vernor Vinge said, you can't write about the thoughts a being more intelligent than yourself since you would have to just as intelligent. Since presumably a being intelligent enough to create an entire universe would have a vast intelligence.

Another thing that always bothered about referring to the Judeo/Christian God was in using the male pronouns like He and Him. I would think an omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient being would be more gender neutral.

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I personally believe that there is no god, but I'm always willing to admit when I'm wrong when presented with strong evidence to the contrary.

I do believe that if there is an extremely powerful being who created the universe, it would be so beyond comprehension of a normal human that no meaningful judgement of it could be made by humans. Like Vernor Vinge said, you can't write about the thoughts a being more intelligent than yourself since you would have to just as intelligent. Since presumably a being intelligent enough to create an entire universe would have a vast intelligence.

Another thing that always bothered about referring to the Judeo/Christian God was in using the male pronouns like He and Him. I would think an omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient being would be more gender neutral.

You remind me of theory I once had. If God or whatever power created us is gender neutral, I believed that when you die and are presented to God, you are presented with a form of what you believe in. Like if I thought he was a guy or he may take the form of a past family member to make me more comfortable.

You never know what's true until you die and find out.

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Wow those of us non-believers arn't that many of us. You know what I think that the reason why we have gods in the first place is because of our lack of understanding and that only with greater understanding can we accept the notion that the ones who create is not god but ourselves. We created god in our own weakness to help us deal with our problems. I also think that this is one of the inharent(sp?) flaws with sentent beings. Because of the fact that we are sentent we are aware of more things and that creates an overload of information and it is that overload that causes humans to retret and hide behind the existance of a false god. If you think about it, it makes sense like I said earlier it all comes down to what came first the chicken or the egg. To think that one day this God figure? was just lying around with nothing to do and decided to create the universe. But you just can't make something from nothing there must be something that you altered to create what you want. It like thermodynamics(sp?) energy can not be created or destroyed. And so a science progresses maybe one day we will finally gain an understanding that will allow us to grasp the meaning of our existance. I also think that another one of the reasons why people are so willing to believe in a god is the fear of death and that when you die there will be something eles to look forward to. But the fact is, is that you're dead and that when you die well it's game over. Well sorry if I started rambling but that's all I have to say for now.

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To answer if I think there is a God? Sure. It would certainly explain some of the unexplainable things I couldn't begin to try and explain or comprehend. Understand? Good.

Could there possibly be more than one? Maybe.

Religion? Eh, it's a toughie. It's biased. It rarely looks at more than one viewpoint. Or perspective, depending on how one explains it. It makes all these labels that aren't always necessarily all encompassing. There are of course exceptions to the labels. There are certain things that just are, there are no labels to define them. Yet, as humans, we have to define them in some way that encompasses more than just a few. We're utterly and completely scared out of our wits as a collective of the completely unknown. Death, space, the future, whatever. We figuratively take a crap and piss in our pants, then have a massive coronary. If it explains to us everything, so be it. For so long, they thought the Earth was flat, simply because sailors were too afraid to go beyond that which they could see ("Captain! Captain! We're nearing the western edge of the planet!") It's part of why there are few traces of civilizations intermingling between the Americas and the other continents. Sure there wer instances of intermingling, but relatively speaking they were isolated instances. The Chinese visiting the West Coast, the Vikings saying hello in the North East.

But, is God an almighty being? I wonder sometimes. Especially with a commandment stating "Thou shalt not worship any other god except me." Which indicates, yes there is actually more than one god, and that God is a jealous little fellow who only thinks of himself while appearing to be benevolent, and as was stated, he's a bit immature. Maybe a youngster compared to like say Zeus. One never knows.

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The thing that bugs me most about the belief in a deity are the things that get carried out in their name. Suicide bombings, The Crusades, etc. I wonder how many suicide bombers there would be if they knew that there was no afterlife. My thought is that every life is all the more precious because you only have the one.

Another thing (not to inflame anyone or knock on their beliefs) if God has infinite love and compassion, why all the suffering and divine wrath?

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Many diseases are within the pervue of the choice of people.

If we all led healthy lives and if we all cared about whether or not we can pass something to others like HIV then such diseases would quickly disappear. But the problem is a lot people don't give a damn and don't lead healthy lives.

Course there are disease that we don't have a choice about but that's part of life.

And there is some truth to the old addage of that which does not kill us makes us stronger.

God created life and life competes with life, it's only man's arragance that assumes we have to be on top of the ladder of importance.

If it wasn't for diseases and genetic mutations we would never have even evolved.

So complaining about it is like complaing why we even exist.

But the main things that makes us suffer is not the things out of our control but the things that should be in our control and for that we have no one else to blame but ourselves.

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I believe in god, I don't trust religion. The christian view of god always reminds me of an angry 4 year old who doesn't like his toys taken away, where I personally think god would act a tad more mature being almighty and such.

I have to agree with allen its ok to beleve in the god of an religion its just religion itself is pardon my french BULL drenn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Many diseases are within the pervue of the choice of people.

If we all led healthy lives and if we all cared about whether or not we can pass something to others like HIV then such diseases would quickly disappear. But the problem is a lot people don't give a damn and don't lead healthy lives.

Course there are disease that we don't have a choice about but that's part of life.

And there is some truth to the old addage of that which does not kill us makes us stronger.

God created life and life competes with life, it's only man's arragance that assumes we have to be on top of the ladder of importance.

If it wasn't for diseases and genetic mutations we would never have even evolved.

So complaining about it is like complaing why we even exist.

But the main things that makes us suffer is not the things out of our control but the things that should be in our control and for that we have no one else to blame but ourselves.

Yeah, Zeo I understand your point. However I think you are not fully understanding mine. Okay I will give you an example. I don't know if I have told anyone here this; but what the hell. I have a mental disorder called Aspergers(sp), I can't remember the specifics. However I do know it makes comunication with people very difficult, essentially my full attention has to be on a conversation or I can easily misunderstand something and take offense or say something offensive. This is probably where most of the conflics between myself and someone on the board have come from.

However compared to most of the people with my condition I have it very easy. There are those on the other hand who are not so lucky. For me it can be a constant frustration to see the ease other people have with social interaction. For someone who didn't dram a lukier lot in the genetic lottery I can only imagine the pure hell they endure. I mean really even someone who has had a serious physical injury will still probably have their mind. And let us not forget how compassionate the populous is towards people will mental disorders. Yeah I am being very snide and sarcastic. People in general will make a show of caring, but will still avoid contact with such people. Let alone be their friends. For people like me we hide our status, and feel a great deal of shame. Now you tell me if God is a loving and caring being, I'll tell you your full of it. It feels like we are being mocked and laughed at by this tyrant.

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I don't know whether no one said this or not but... I dont believe in a god personly but I do believe in a *higher* being.

For example at base level humans and monkeys are the same, we're mammals, but we evolved much more than them making us in some way *god* to them.

So there's no reason why there couldn't be a more evolved being that to us would be like a god...

I don't know if I explained that well....

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I believe in a god... and he's either doing two things right now.. He's either crying at how his word has been corrupted so many differant ways by so many people...

OR...

He's laughing his ass off over how stupid we, as a species, are behaving.

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It feels like we are being mocked and laughed at by this tyrant.

Well that's the thing with free will and all.

If you believe in free will, I'm assuming that you do, then God can't be controlling every aspect of our life or even our environment. Otherwise there would be no choice in life, we'd just be puppets.

So if there is any one mocking us it is mother nature, which is an unfortunate price for free will.

But consider that without suffering there would be no change.

Also without suffering we would never appreciate the good, as then we would not have anything to compare the good to, to know it was good.

Never mind that without suffering the human race would never have evolved to begin with.

Every single aspect of our nature and physiology is based on conditions in which our ancestors lived through that have shaped the course of our evolution.

Of course evolution never stops so we are still evolving and unfortunately some us will suffer more than others.

It doesn't mean god is laughing at us or taunting us any more than a parent would taunt or laugh at their child if they are hurt. But just like a parent god can't always step in and make things better.

Aspect's like free will and evolution means god has to let things take their course.

Ultimately the universe is what it is, the seed for our creation and the world we live in was planted at the very beginning of creation. So to change it god would have to destroy everything and start again.

Though on the plus side, unless you wind up in hell, suffering does not last forever.

Which is one of the plusses of believing in a god as then you also believe in a heaven.

But that's just my opinion.

Then again I also believe I remember being born and what heaven was like. So you don't have to listen to me. :roll:

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The story of the Guyver is based on the God and the humans origin. Alchanfel and the 11 Zoalords reminds me about Jesus and the Apostles. The Uranus as our Gods and creators. Do you remember when Alchanfel was abandoned on earth and he was crying because his creators were going to heaven?

This topic reminds me also about the anime Platinum End. Have you watched it?

I voted: I believe in God. "A grenade, will never make a Computer."

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On 5/4/2022 at 9:30 AM, ALASTOR said:

The story of the Guyver is based on the God and the humans origin.

Based on Christianity?  Do you have a source or a link or a statement from Yoshiki Takaya supporting this claim? 

From what it looks like to me. I think the Earth origin story in the franchise seems  more or less based on scientology or some other home brewed UFO religion because it was heavily discussed in the manga and the anime that "aliens" designed planets, humans, the guyver technology, zoanoids, and life in general. 

Maybe the Uranus / The Advents are capable of making supreme beings. Did they make Archanfel like a deity or is he just a super being? I don't think we have any way of knowing the full extent of the Advents technological powers. 

Are the Uranus / Advents divine deities themselves?

No they are not. In a panic they fled after Guyver Zero blew up one of their Relic ships with the mega smasher before they had Archanfel kill him and they tried to erase earth from existence while they were at it. That means Guyver Zero killed the Advents along with that ship.  If you're a group of immortal supreme deities, you wouldn't fear for your existence by committing neocide or mass genocide out of fear of an entire race. 

I think the Zoalords probably come  close to being like Polytheistic Pagan Deities like Odin, Sol Invictus, or Zeus. They seem god like in the show and manga but that doesn't mean that they are. 

On 5/4/2022 at 9:30 AM, ALASTOR said:

 Alchanfel and the 11 Zoalords reminds me about Jesus and the Apostles. The Uranus as our Gods and creators.

I  don't see it that way. I think it's based on Greek Mythology. The are 12 holy commandos like the 12 Greek deities that ruled over humanity in Greek Mythology. The Zoalords called their faction Cronus after a Greek Titan. Uranus is the Greek sky deity that is the father of Cronus. Guyver 3 calls himself Zeus based on his agenda to destroy the Zoalords and take control. 

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Do you remember when Alchanfel was abandoned on earth and he was crying because his creators were going to heaven?

 I remember it differently. I remember that they evacuated Earth.  Sent a comet to destroy the Earth. Arkanfel tried to stop them. They disabled him and left while he destroyed the comet. I don't remember anything in the manga about them going to "heaven". I just know that they're a united galactic race of aliens that cultivate planets with super advanced technology. 

On 5/4/2022 at 9:30 AM, ALASTOR said:

I voted: I believe in God. 

I did not vote because voting yes or no is inferring a claim. I do not believe in the existence of deities. I identify as Atheist. I will go no further as I do not think this thread was intended to change one's beliefs or lack there of. 

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20 hours ago, MrDawn said:

Based on Christianity?  Do you have a source or a link or a statement from Yoshiki Takaya supporting this claim? 

From what it looks like to me. I think the Earth origin story in the franchise seems  more or less based on scientology or some other home brewed UFO religion because it was heavily discussed in the manga and the anime that "aliens" designed planets, humans, the guyver technology, zoanoids, and life in general.

 

What I wanted to say is: The manga is centralized on the human creation. Doesn't matter the entity who created the humans. (In which case are the alien's Uranus.)

 

21 hours ago, MrDawn said:

Maybe the Uranus / The Advents are capable of making supreme beings. Did they make Archanfel like a deity or is he just a super being? I don't think we have any way of knowing the full extent of the Advents technological powers. 

Are the Uranus / Advents divine deities themselves?

No they are not. In a panic they fled after Guyver Zero blew up one of their Relic ships with the mega smasher before they had Archanfel kill him and they tried to erase earth from existence while they were at it. That means Guyver Zero killed the Advents along with that ship.  If you're a group of immortal supreme deities, you wouldn't fear for your existence by committing neocide or mass genocide out of fear of an entire race. 

I think the Zoalords probably come  close to being like Polytheistic Pagan Deities like Odin, Sol Invictus, or Zeus. They seem god like in the show and manga but that doesn't mean that they are. 

I  don't see it that way. I think it's based on Greek Mythology. The are 12 holy commandos like the 12 Greek deities that ruled over humanity in Greek Mythology. The Zoalords called their faction Cronus after a Greek Titan. Uranus is the Greek sky deity that is the father of Cronus. Guyver 3 calls himself Zeus based on his agenda to destroy the Zoalords and take control. 

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 I remember it differently. I remember that they evacuated Earth.  Sent a comet to destroy the Earth. Arkanfel tried to stop them. They disabled him and left while he destroyed the comet. I don't remember anything in the manga about them going to "heaven". I just know that they're a united galactic race of aliens that cultivate planets with super advanced technology.

When Alchanfel came back from the BLACK HOLE, it reminded me the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

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You asked when the speak about heaven.

Vol.14 Ch.80

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Vol.17. Ch.103

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I hope this images could make you understand what I wanted to say.

I believe he took inspiration from Cristian religion and Greek mythology: because how you already mentioned...Zeus, Uranus, Cronus. Also in the manga the aliens call Earh, Gaia.

 

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