Why did Guyver 0 rebel?

[Shin Mefilas]

While I was rereading book 15 the question just poped into my head.

 

Did he consciously choose to attack or did he simply lash out on instinct. Was he a  primitive human going on a rampage beause he was given power beyond his understanding, a guyver in self-defence mode, a slave freed from his shackles or a child demanding attenchan and respect from an indifferent parent?

 

What do you think?

 

 

 

 

[RazorLaser]

Defense mode. Pretty sure that was confirmed.

 

0 is definitely my favourite Guyver. Wish we saw more of him, or what happened to his unit. I'd like to think Alky has it somewhere, but it is damaged? Or that's how Apollon came about, perhaps.

[LordSpleach]

I'm thinking his self-defense mode. After the suit is forcefully removed, the primitive man had a look of utter shock right before he was killed.

[*PrimalNemesis]

Hard to say for sure. The defense mode sounds logical, but then again Guyver 0 followed all of the orders he was given by the Uranus except for unequipping the unit. If the unit was in defense mode then it is possible that Guyver 0 only reacted to what was put in front of him and did not hear a single command. I am under the impression that even if he was not in defense mode that his unit completely blocked out any mental commands from the Uranus. I believe that was established somewhere in the manga if I am correct. Either way something about the Guyver unit went completely haywire when it was equipped to an unprocessed human.

[Super Existence]

Couldnt have been defense mode or the Uranus would have known it and not abandoned the experiment as the unit G would have been at fault and not the human.

As humans were all under control it could be once freed from that control the primitive man didn't like the idea of going back to it.

[Shin Mefilas]

With the exception of OVA 6 guyvers in SF mode haven't attack unless provoked, this is what made me question the defense mode theory. While it more the likly that in SD mode he would have attacked the T.rex and Zoanoids but their was no reason that the unit would have perceived the creators as a threat.

 

My theory is this. In the guyververse we know humans where created as the base for the creators bio-weapons as a result we have a strong inclination towards violence and conflict embedded in our subconscious. Its likly that these inclinations where much stronger in primitive humans then modern ones, who while still war-like have overtime become very different to what we originally where. They also had a very different mentality to us, for while intelligent their world was one ruled by the laws of nature and servival of the fittest (although "civilised" humans parody this in our concrete jungles). Now the guyver is not so disimiler to a primitive human, it has strong servival instincts and is more then ready to use lethal force on a perceived threat. When the two combined  it created a weapon of pure instinct and violence with power beyond its understanding. It cannot breed and ist dosent need food so the only thing left is its inbuilt need for battle. But the voices that once directed its actions have gone so it must rely on its instincts which drives it to attack indiscriminately. When the two ar parted the human is left confused and bewildered as his mind cannot comprehend what has happend.

[alkanfel009]

I think there is a little confusion, as I remember, in that I take the guyver zero, it really was not obeying orders, tansolo just conlo I had in front, similar to what happened with sho in the first chapter, when he joined the unit (G ), 

 

 

ie the seasoning why, guyver zero attacked both the T-rex as the creators, is because it was in defense mode, and certainly believe in an art book is left to see that the zero unit, is the makashima armor,

[Jade Tatsu]

I don't think the human had anything to do with why Guyver0 attacked. I admit though that some of my reasoning could be erroneous and directly contradictory to some of the facts in the manga that I can't remember rightly. The Creators put a guyver unit on their creation - a creation they controlled. The question is how they controlled it. Did the Creators just talk and expect to be obeyed, or like Alkanphel, did they have mental control over their creations? I go with that theory. Alkanphel can directly control any Zoa-form. So I believe the Creators could control their creations. So they could control the human.

 

Then they stuck the Guyver unit on the human. The human is probably thinking 'all is good, all is right, I'm with the Gods' but the Unit feels the mental command and interprets it as an attack and bingo, mass slaughter of everything else sent to stop it. So yep, it's a form of defence mode but I do like Adolphus' suggestion of attack instinct being the only one left. Plus I thought there was a time, just after Sho got the unit where he was unconscious. So once Guyver0 began attacking back, and the Creators couldn't maintain mental control, they thought it 'rebelled' and did everything they could to stop it. Even if they thought it was defence mode, which they might, then the Unit really should have recognised others - those on the Creators - and not attacked them but I don't think they'd have destroyed Guyver0 unless they thought they were at risk. Having a bio-engineered super-weapon that you can't control is a pretty big risk.

[Guyver0]

It's difficult to discern whether or not the human was in control or if the unit was in SM.  On one hand the actions Guyver0 took does fit in to what a Guyver in SM would do, but on the other hand the Uranus were trying to give the command to the human to remove the armor like the human was in control/concious. 

 

Here is another thing to consider; lets just say Guyver0 was in SM and when the order was given to be removed maybe when the unit "heard" the command, it misinterpreted it and thought the Uranus were telling the human to actually get rid of the unit instead of just disengaging.  So the Unit acted out on survival instinct and not of battle.

[*guyverfan]

i too also thought that guyver0 was in defence mode when attacking Trex, but had awoken after that initial threat was killed.

just as sho had awaken after his first encounter with cronos by the lake, after bonding with the unit.

 

and so the attack on the uranus was the humans own,free will.

another question is that if the unit did perceive the uranus' commands as a telepathic attack, does that mean the unit is capable of intercepting telepathic communication between others?

or only that which is directed to it's host?

 

oh, just remembered that the unitG was the uranus' standard equipment, so they too would of been equiped with a unit when giving the command to disengage.

[*ScottmanXIII]

Maybe the person wearing unit 0 was a total nutter!

[alkanfel009]

i too also thought that guyver0 was in defence mode when attacking Trex, but had awoken after that initial threat was killed.

just as sho had awaken after his first encounter with cronos by the lake, after bonding with the unit.

 

and so the attack on the uranus was the humans own,free will.

another question is that if the unit did perceive the uranus' commands as a telepathic attack, does that mean the unit is capable of intercepting telepathic communication between others?

or only that which is directed to it's host?

 

oh, just remembered that the unitG was the uranus' standard equipment, so they too would of been equiped with a unit when giving the command to disengage.

 

 

I fear that this part is wrong, when the guyver zero to t-rex attack followed gual protection mode that sho remember this one primitibo human hera hundreds of thousands of years ago, so his mind as inferior did not return, alkanphel removed until the armor,

[*V Guyver]

Just keep in mind that if you want motivation, no lo further in the fact that all of humanity were just guinea pigs. If the human was conscious while equipped with the G Unit, than it's safe to say he didn't look forward to anymore experiments. 

[*guyverfan]

well, trying to think back to the chapter that showed what happened in detail(vol 15)

that the creators were ordering the human to disengage the armour, seems abit silly on their behalf if the host was unconscious?

also, his reaction in this looks like a conscious one?

 

but,my answer to the first post would have to be yes, to a primitive slave being freed of his shackles.

 

 

 

 

[¬./Anonymous¬]

Defense mode.

The most obvious answer.

[BlackEpyon]

Defense mode.

 

That is a very high possibility.

 

Another would be that Guyver 0 rebelled, because he was freed from the Creator's mind control after he was bonded to the Bio Booster Armor!  Since the Bio Booster Armor freed the host from the Creator's control, he probably asked himself "Why am I letting these guys control me?  When I have all this power and can fend for myself?"

[H222G981]

It seemed Guyver 0 was concious at the time that Alkanphel removed his armor and killed him. I think the human controlling it probably saw the Relics and the other zoanoids as a threat and attacked them out of impulse, imo. Who wouldn't with all that power? Its too much temptation for one man. In his own mind, all that power went to his head. 

[Mirabilis]

I tend to think and believe (didn't they say this as well?) that Guyver 0 was literally, out of control of the Unit itself. The human couldn't control, and or stop what he was doing. I'm pretty sure Murakami explained that the human couldn't control the suit of armor and that the suit was on the rampage; and is why the creators were so scared. They were terrified that not only could they not control the human wearing the suit, but the human couldn't either. It was entirely out of control, causing devastating damage to everything in its path. How would the human know how to use the suit of armor the way he did anyways? He was moving about, using the weapons like an expert. I think he would have been a blubbering fool like Sho was/is with the suit. Untrained and all.

The suit was an experiment by the creators. The human had no idea what was going on. He couldn't stop it, he couldn't control it, he was simply a test subject. He wasn't trying to "get even" or "rebel" against the creators. He had no motives to find his "freedom". As others have suggested, the humans were most probably controlled by the creators as well, that's all they knew. They never knew they were controlled or even what freedom was. They didn't have any concept of free will, or living life on their own. They only knew what the creators wanted them to know.

The suit was simply attempting to preserve itself. It was fighting to protect it's own existence. Remember, the suit can detect nearby threats, and will attack the closest, and largest threat to the host. I also tend to believe (as others suggest) that the Guyver perceived the telepathic commands, as a telepathic assault on the host. Thus, it attacked the creators to preserve it's life. The creators had no idea about this power. They were baffled at how strong, and powerful it was when it was equipped to the human. Is it so far fetched to believe that, they would also be unaware of the self defense mode and the suit controlling a weak minded host, rather than the host controlling the unit? It's obvious when the human was killed, he had no idea what was going on or what had happened; which is why I feel bad for him when Archanfel killed him.

Edited July 17, 2015 by Mirabilis

[BlackEpyon]

That is possible since the human host used was very primative by today's intelligence standards.  But remember the Control Medal is only fully active if it's host is unconcience!  Which in the case of Guyver 0, the human host was fully concience at the time and probably started fighting back after the Creators set lose zoanoids and the T-Rex to attack him.  In which case Guyver 0 saw the Creators as a threat to his own life and attacked them.

[Mirabilis]

Skip to 12:20 in the video.

[The Crimson Guyver]

I like to think it was a mix of things for Guyver 0. Although Self Defense Mode is a possibility perhaps Guyver 0 listened to the Creators at first, them communicating with him to attack the T-Rex and the Zoanoids was them transferring the knowledge of the Unit's abilities to him through their own Control Medals. But once he saw the power he was given being a primitive human the "MINE MINE MINE!" part of the brain kicked in not knowing what he truly had and who he was denying when it happened. So then he attacked them so they could never have it back.
"This is nice but they want me to give it back... NO MINE!" But then the remover was used and you can see he was terrified.