If X-Day happened in the Marvel Universe...

[jerrygoodman]

...what do you think the result would be?

If Chronos attempted to take over the Earth of the MU, would the super-powered community have been able to stop it? 

This has been on my mind for quite some time, and I was wondering if I could get some perspectives from everyone.

[RazorLaser]

X-Day would have failed, I believe.

[LordSpleach]

It probably would be just like a Marvel annual storyline.

[Cay]

If they somehow prevented the preparations of X-Day. I don't know everything about the Marvel characters so I'm going to say that they couldn't stop Kronos on X-Day. (Assuming they would have had no knowledge of Kronos before hand.)

[durendal]

What makes you think that this hasn't already happened?  We have Civil War.  We have Age of Apocalypse.  We have House of M.  Heck, we even have Age of Ultron.  That's probably what Marvel Earth would look like if X-day ever did happen.  

[*V Guyver]

They recently stopped a Skrull secret invasion, and one animated movie had the Chitauri Invasion. 

in the case of the Skrulls, they replaces heroes instead of government officials and caused chaos to the super heroes, but weren't enough of a threat it seems because... well they masqueraded as heroes instead of taking all government positions. 

The Chitauri Invasion is one, that absolutely makes no sense. They simply spawn infinite numbers, and allied themselves with the Nazi's in history... for no apparent reason other than for the lolz. They also failed, because... well the super heroes noticed a huge big single weak point and took it out.

Now here is where Chronos would succeed and fail. Chronos would likely manage to take over the world, or at least huge portions of it. But it wouldn't last long. It wouldn't be stopped because no one knows the source of these zoanoids, and that the world's governments would be gutted out, and the military of most nations defeated. The scariest thing is that Chronos would eventually come to control nuclear warheads from several nations. What Chronos would fail at is, beating all the heroes AND the Villains, who would immediately work to try and subvert them. Chronos, despite a single Zoanoid being stronger than most villains, super heroes, and armies. Would eventually be taken out by the big guns. Just like how the Zoalords would mostly be taken out by the most powerful of heroes. They would also have mixed success in winning over the population and that is all their enemies need to win. While Guyver's world has a mostly subverted population with only a minority attempting to resist. If Chronos wants to survive, it would require recruiting as many heroes and villains over to it's side if possible. But even after that, who's going to stop Thor, Hulk, Dr.Doom, and others from Going after the leaders once Chronos becomes public? 

The take over of the marvel universe does have one very cool option for Chronos. Using Mutants like Cyclops and Wolverine to create new Zoanoids. Taking over all of SHIELD's technology. Managing a mostly peaceful world and all the heroes and villains reacting to it. It would be an awesome change of events. I just wish Marvel characters weren't so overpowered and inconsistent, since even though on Paper a Scout Zoanoid should beat the crap out of Spidey and Captain America, that Plot armor comes to save them, always. 

Side Note: I just remembered how plot armor allows Peter Parker to Survive spider bite radiation, but how Mary Jane comically died of radiation poisoning over time in one comic because of Spiderman's radioactive jizz. 

[Larz Zahn]

I think that zoanoids would be much more powerful in marvel. They would have access to much more scientific break throughs, more generic samples on hand. And they would have access to hydra and aim and they can replicate most abilities. Through that in with cronus know how and competency.... Tough zoanoids. Probably even cause an experienced Guyver lots of problems.

[jerrygoodman]

I think that zoanoids would be much more powerful in marvel. They would have access to much more scientific break throughs, more generic samples on hand. And they would have access to hydra and aim and they can replicate most abilities. Through that in with cronus know how and competency.... Tough zoanoids. Probably even cause an experienced Guyver lots of problems.

Yes, Chronos is pretty skilled with science, but how would they fare against magic? They'd still have to contend with guys like Doctor Strange and Ghost Rider, individuals whose abilities stem from supernatural sources. As powerful as the zoalords are, their abilities are still rooted in physical laws. Magic doesn't have that type of limitation. Somehow I can't see Chronos wrapping its collective head around magic, no matter how hard they may try.

And assuming that they could fend off Earth's super-powered population, there are still guys like the Silver Surfer, the Guardians of the Galaxy, and the Asgardians, that they'd still have to contend with.

Edited August 22, 2014 by jerrygoodman

[Guyver0]

You'll also have to take into consideration how much of a "power-bump" Chronos will receive or "power-drop" MU will lose, depending on which universe crosses over to which.  If Chronos goes over to the Marvel Universe you know something stupid like a Gregole will be on equal strength terms with Thor or Hulk.  If Marvel seeps into the Guyver universe the heroes will most likely be dumbed down to the point where they face an "overwhelming" enemy and would "need" the help of the Guyvers.  Either way, even though I would still like to see this happen, someone is going to FUBAR somewhere, where either fans of the Marvel side are displeased or fans of the Guyver or displeased.

[Larz Zahn]

While each universe may get a power change, i doubt it would be anywhere near Gregore to hulk. If anything, Gregore to Spiderman would be the highest. And that is still far fetched.

As for vs the extraterritorial threats and characters? Simple, they CAN'T contend with them. They would only have the edge against what they know and study.

As for magic, magic characters have been beaten by non magic characters, so its nit unthinkable that cronus can't handle them, just a little tricky.

[*V Guyver]

Well if it's movie Marvel Universe, which is closer to the realistic Guyver Universe. Chronos would likely win. But in comic books, no. It's just a short term victory at best, a pyrrhic short term one. 

[jerrygoodman]

Well if it's movie Marvel Universe, which is closer to the realistic Guyver Universe. Chronos would likely win. But in comic books, no. It's just a short term victory at best, a pyrrhic short term one. 

Just to clarify, I was referring to the original Earth-616 Marvel Comic Universe.

[*V Guyver]

I know, but I was pointing out that the movie Marvel universe is a little more grounded on realism, and closer to the Guyver universe. Just saying. 

Earht 616 is just such a mess when it comes to how reality and the strength of the characters. Nothings consistant anymore, but the movie so far have been. 

[alkanfel009]

sorry to say but bigger herror, timesheets, have I not correct load so cientance free to correct, Barium centuries of experience plus an enviable patience, colicionar a universe with gold if Gregol not on par hulk, but only one is more than enough to kill guys like america captain, spiderman and the like, now, I think attempting a serious maciba invacion like a success as long as ayan studied enough that world, thor, vs Purgstall zoalord, besides that, take some elements such as magnet and analissi of technology in addition to quickly subdue the government, would be the OPCON of chronos anete that, iron man, inpotente completely serious, like dr doom, 

 

more realistic, do not think intervendian Asgardians, or aliens, rather Berian it as another fight between humans as hydra Organisations and weapon x would be wiped easily, because we are talking about a world that can literally convbertir every human in a soldier nuebo shielded, if we add the capabilities that could develop study the marvel universe for one year, then, would be a quick war, without quarter in which the end is always inpondria timesheets and when removed, that ironman sheeld and the fantastic 4 

 

it's in my oipinion,

[Salkafar]

Actually, Alkanfel, Spider-Man is at least a class 10 - meaning he can deadlift ten tons; while Gregole is stated to have the strength of fifteen men, Spider-Man is at least as strong as fifty.

Quite apart from that, I think the Guyver universe and the Marvel one are fundamentally incompatible. Here's why:

 

In the Marvel universe, about a million years ago, Earth was visited by the Celestials, gigantic armored space-gods. They took humanitys ancestors - probably Homo Heidelbergensis - and manipulated their genes, creating three species: the immortal, god-like Eternals, the ever-changing, demonic-looking Deviants, and the humans, who seemed unchanged - except they now had the potential to develop incredible super-powers. It is this hidden potential that caused the surge in superheroes and -villains. The Fantastic Four got their powers through exposure to cosmic rays, the X-men and other mutants develop theirs naturally, and Captain America, Luke Cage and Wonder Man were empowered as the result of experimentation, but the ultimate cause is always the Celestials' meddling. They are the Creators, and their efforts contravene anything the Advents might have done.

 

Where Zoa-forming is an arduous and dangerous process, empowering a human in the Marvel universe, on the other hand, can be as simple as electrocution, being bitten by a radioactive spider or simply hitting puberty; the process is virtually instantaneous and practically every subject survives.

 

And some of the empowered individuals possess enormous power, on a par with that of a Zoalord, like Magneto, Graviton, Electro (on a good day), the Human Torch, Radioactive Man, Apocalypse or Iceman. Some even surpass Archanfel, like Molecule Man, the Scarlet Witch or the Sentry.

 

In an all-out war between the two Earths, Chronos is outclassed. And were Chronos to try to Zoaform people from the Marvel universe, they could be facing any number of nasty surprises.

[alkanfel009]

a small miscalculation, I think it is important to mention that not quite understand the increased power of a Zoanoid, I have a theory which is to first raise the physical potential but aya normal and then multiplied, is the only explanation for a gregole can, load more than 30 tons as seen in the x day, 

 

example, a Gregol not only would sweep the floor with spiderman and company are not stupid animals are soldiers with combat training, I know guys like molecualr man or sentri are way too, but is in outside, I speak of infiltration make and take information technology to increase the power of Zoanoids under normal standards, would be a imprecionante war, but would not be necessary if they take power in a single day, 

 

 

besides, it is important to remember that could destroy a more age or younger alkanphel moon, a quarter of the size of the earth, 

 

multiply this by an army of thousands or see, hundreds of thousands, in a total war, and would have a standard knowledge to face beings as apocalypse, or the same sentry, and hulk, 

 

 

pd, human memory lane, suddenly transformed in Zoanoid 

       latent form had either one or another reason talbes, stress, puberty, be modido by an animal with a virus 

 

 

I think we need to define the strength of Zoanoid, and make clear that an Gregol spite of being so dire in this way to level 15, you can with a tank of 30 tons,

 

[Salkafar]

Gregole would not be a level 15 but a level 3, maybe. And yes, we have that one image of a Gregole hefting what looks like an M-1 Abrams tank over its head - which weighs 62 tons - but that contravenes everything we were ever told about the type, or indeed Zoanoids per se. 

 

a Gregol not only would sweep the floor with spiderman

 

A Gregole would not sweep the floor with Spider-Man. Spider-Man is physically as strong as the Guyver.

 

Infiltration? In a world that not only has several independent secret agencies that keep their eye out for exactly that, but also several secret criminal or terrorist organizations (AIM, HYDRA, THEM, the Secret Empire, the Hand, Zodiac and the Sons of the Serpent and this is just the tip of the iceberg) trying to do so?

 

 

it is important to remember that could destroy a more age or younger alkanphel moon, a quarter of the size of the earth, multiply this by an army of thousands or see, hundreds of thousands,

 

Archanfel is unique; he is the most powerful being in the world, and destroying the planet that was thrown at Earth took everything he had. It may even be that act that causes in him the need to hibernate. Chronos has no other warrior who can do anything like what he can do - and even Archanfel is severely outclassed when faced with several of Marvel-Earth's people.

 

 I don't think I agree with you at all.

[alkanfel009]

Gregole would not be a level 15 but a level 3, maybe. And yes, we have that one image of a Gregole hefting what looks like an M-1 Abrams tank over its head - which weighs 62 tons - but that contravenes everything we were ever told about the type, or indeed Zoanoids per se. 

 

a Gregol not only would sweep the floor with spiderman

 

A Gregole would not sweep the floor with Spider-Man. Spider-Man is physically as strong as the Guyver.

 

Infiltration? In a world that not only has several independent secret agencies that keep their eye out for exactly that, but also several secret criminal or terrorist organizations (AIM, HYDRA, THEM, the Secret Empire, the Hand, Zodiac and the Sons of the Serpent and this is just the tip of the iceberg) trying to do so?

 

 

it is important to remember that could destroy a more age or younger alkanphel moon, a quarter of the size of the earth, multiply this by an army of thousands or see, hundreds of thousands,

 

Archanfel is unique; he is the most powerful being in the world, and destroying the planet that was thrown at Earth took everything he had. It may even be that act that causes in him the need to hibernate. Chronos has no other warrior who can do anything like what he can do - and even Archanfel is severely outclassed when faced with several of Marvel-Earth's people.

 

 I don't think I agree with you at all.

evidence that guyver and spiderman have similar strength, I'll say one more time, 

 

 

this is a theory, 

 

take a human, prosesan in a Zoanoid, and in so doing, the maximum level of force that your body is able to generate and multiply it there, with the transformation into a Zoanoid, 

 

 

an example of what I mean in normal terms a guyver, can burst the 'Head of Someone Special as a puñetaso spiderman, but at no time have seen spiderman at once, it can take on agluien as rino, 

 

and has not been measured strength of a guyver ficica, and can lebantar sipiderman bagones of sise train was proposed, but in all, spiderman, with only 10 tons lebantar not face you, agregole, and 30 tons, is the occasions on which a lebantado seen that objects such as rocks or cars very easily, almost as if they were simple, almuadas, 

 

 

 

and level 15, I say that the model is supposed manete 15 times the strength of a human ficica,

[Salkafar]

evidence that guyver and spiderman have similar strength, I'll say one more time, 

 

 

this is a theory, 

 

take a human, prosesan in a Zoanoid, and in so doing, the maximum level of force that your body is able to generate and multiply it there, with the transformation into a Zoanoid, 

 

 

an example of what I mean in normal terms a guyver, can burst the 'Head of Someone Special as a puñetaso spiderman, but at no time have seen spiderman at once, it can take on agluien as rino, 

 

and has not been measured strength of a guyver ficica, and can lebantar sipiderman bagones of sise train was proposed, but in all, spiderman, with only 10 tons lebantar not face you, agregole, and 30 tons, is the occasions on which a lebantado seen that objects such as rocks or cars very easily, almost as if they were simple, almuadas, 

 

 

 

and level 15, I say that the model is supposed manete 15 times the strength of a human ficica,

 

I don't think I understand what you are saying.

 

And I was using the Marvel scale, of course. On that scale, Gregole is a level 3 - 'capable of lifting 3 metric tons', which is about the power level of 15 strong men.

 

Spider-Man, on the other hand:

 

 

 

 

He's beastly strong. And strength isn't even his best feature - his speed, agility, ability to stick to any surface, his multi-applicable webs, years of combat experience against an endless variation of foes, plus a sixth sense that warns him of impending danger make him a match for much stronger opponents.

 

All Avengers are versed in fighting many super-powered enemies at once, alone or as a team. Zoanoids are risibly outmatched.

[Larz Zahn]

Ironically, back in the 60s, Spiderman kept saying that he had the strength of ten men, the endurance of ten men, the speed of ten men,etc etc etc. its funny how much things changed since then.

[alkanfel009]

one more time, not that gregole, is a being with the force of 15 men, realisar things that were in the, x day, deve be something like the following, 

humans only use a portion of our strength in our muesulos coorelacion, so that to increase the strength of gregole, 15 times, can lebantar a tank of over 60 tonnes. would have to have superhuman strength, that's my theory, the strength of human will nibel eleba first and then multiply, it is part of Prosesa Zoanoid, 

 

that would explain a much weaker Zoanoid as 

Ramoith can just lebantar a tank of similar weight, I think you also are thinking the wrong thing, is that a precise comparison is not pocible but spiderman can not give a single gregole damage, how hard you hit or ntente in instead, gregole, spiderman can crush with one hand, 

 

Not that gregole lebante about 3 tons, as in the manga and the sseries has bvisto Zoanoids that are quite stronger, cars and trucks are like garbage cans,

[Salkafar]

Well, his power does increase over time. That is quite common with radiation-inflicted powers. Ben Grimm has gradually gotten stronger, and let's not even talk about the Hulk...

 

 

The strength issue is not the only problem I have with Zoanoid files. There is also the weight issue.

 

Gregole is 2.35 m tall and weighs 150 kg (these are averages, I have no doubt, but that is not the issue).

 

To quote a suitable comparison:

 

Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson, aka 'the Mountain' from 'Game of Thrones', is only 2.06 m tall, but weighs 180 kilograms. And he doesn't even have neck balancers.

 

Look at this hamfisted comparison:

 

It gets a lot worse with Zoalords, especially Kabral, who, in brain mode, has about the density of styrofoam.

[alkanfel009]

weight wave speed does not change much after all rino suijetos as the mass, bulk and hulk, spiderman have been able to, with his strength, after all, even with the spider sense, he is not untouchable, can be trapped or taken by surprise, it has been seen on many occasions,

 

remember, Zoanoids are not dumb animals, soldiers are trained, I instinctively

[Salkafar]

It has been seen... in that fanmade image?

 

And we seem to be focusing on Spider-Man.

 

How about, say, Iron Man? Or Thor? Or Wonder Man? Or Luke Cage?

[Shin Mefilas]

One problem with trying to cross Guyver and Marvel is one of universe rules/logic.

 

Guyver while science fiction it's actually very grounded and realistic when compared to Marvel where just about anything is possable.