Twilight creatures vs Guyver creatures, and my idea for the "ultimate battle creature"

[*Chernaudi]

This may be a stupid topic, but it goes along with a fan fic that I've been working on that barrows from the world of the Twilight Saga and the universe of Bio-Booster Armor Guyver, and is meant to be a tribute to both of those works.

 

One of the things that I've been wondering about is how Guyver creatures would stand up to Twilight creatures--vampires, shape-shifting wolves and vampire hybrids namely. 

 

For those of you who are out of the loop with the Twilight Saga, Twilight vampires don't have the traditional vampire weaknesses--no stake though the heart, now dying in sunlight, no dying in Holy Water, none of the stuff that James Rolfe describes in one of the AVGN's "You Know What's BS" videos as making vampires weak in his opinion.  Twi-pires have granite hard skin, can crush steel, and have massive amounts of superhuman strength and speed.  The shape-shifting wolves can take on vampires on equal terms.  And lastly, the vampire hybrids can blend in better than "normal" vampires, and have attributes of both humans and vampires, and are marginally less powerful than full vampires are, but only marginally.  So there's some background.  And we all know about or can find out the attributes of the Guyver armor and it's variants, and the varieties of Zoanoids.

 

As far as my theories about this stuff, basic Guyvers can have varying degrees of success against the vampires--it depends mostly on the vampire's diet and lifestyle.  Vampire venom in the Twilight Saga is really acidic according to the stories' canon, and hence, can pose a threat of damaging a Guyver's sonic blades should they cut though vampire flesh, but both factors vary.  The "veggie" vampires that feed on animal blood have more acidic blood and stronger skin in my fan fic canon, while a vampire that feeds on human blood has less acidic blood and weaker skin, but that's also where lifestyle comes in.  It stands to reason that a vampire that's more active is stronger in terms of strength and resilience than one that has a sedentary lifestyle.

 

Hence, a Cullen vampire (who drinks animal blood and is very active) would probably give a Guyver a ton of problems to fight aside from possibly the Gigantic armor or for sure the Gigantic Exceed.  However, a Volturi vampire (sedentary and drinks human blood) would be fairly easy pray for Sho or Agito in their basic armor, let alone any upgrades--in the novels, the Volturi vampires, especially the leaders (Aro, Caius and Marcus) are described to be almost ready to fall apart literally. 

 

In the case of vampire hybrids, they might actually be better suited to face a Guyver than an average vampire, because they eat human food and can drink human blood, and they have the best of both attributes.  They're probably about as powerful as some of the higher-end Hyper Zoanoids, much like vampires, especially animal-blood feeders.  The shape-shifters are also extremely powerful (again, similar to hypers) but are more vulnerable to a Guyver's attacks, being not as durable in combat.

 

One advantage that vampires and hybrids have, though, are special powers and talents that Guyvers and Zoanoids don't/can't have, that can cancel out their weaknesses and allow for fights on at least equal terms.  With Guyvers, though, they can fly (so can some Zoanoids), while vampires and shape-shifters can't.  But again, some powers can be used to cancel out any disadvantages. 

 

And as for the idea I have for the "ultimate battle creature", I have a couple, actually.  One is a vampire hybrid that can adapt to certain abilities.  This is an original character who is a retired US Army Major who was a Ranger and a Paratrooper, who is also a vampire hybrid.  It's a strange ability that he inherited that allows him to adopt abilities of other vampires, hybrids, and even Zoanoids and other creatures, as well as adopt the forms of said creatures, as well as Guyvers and even humans, making a perfect "replica" or "reproduction", and can mix and match abilities and weapons at will.  And, no, he's not really an Aptom rip-off.  I actually wasn't even thinking of Aptom at the time I developed this.  Originally, this character just would transform into a creature that can destroy vampires with ease.  Then stuff from Guyver started to factor in once I started to think of a Twilight/Guyver crossover fic.  And this character ends up being one of the most powerful beings from either universe because of his abilities and battle skills and intellect.

 

And if you think that's out there, you haven't seen anything yet, to be honest.  This is a much more recent creation:  a part human, part Zoalord, part vampire hybrid who was biologically re-engineered as such?  And most of you can probably guess the candidate I chose in a couple of guesses, and if anyone gets it right, I'll go ahead and give my reasons and an explanation (I can't find the spoiler option, so I'm afraid to post my idea here).

 

I just wanted to give my ideas and theories for my fan fic and let anyone who may read it when I get it finished, and don't take this too seriously.  I'm just writing this for fun, and though it's got a lot of action in it (though it starts out slow on that front), I'm also writing this story for laughs, too.

 

 

[Guyver0]

_{Interesting story you have going on here.}

 

_{All I can provide is basic physical attributes from the Guyver realm and guesses on the Twilight realm.}

 

_{In the physical raw strenght since it appears that basic Zoanoids and average Vampires and Werewolves seem to be more or less equal although I think Zoanoids are just a bit stronger.  However the thing I think Vampires and Werewolves have the others beat is their unnatural speed that seems to be even faster than the Guyver's.}

 

_{The Guyver hands down is physically more capable than basic Vampires and Werewolves.  As for the venom from Vampires I can't say anything for certain, it may do damage to Zoanoids, but to Guyvers I don't think it would, but if it does it would be like Zerebubuth's acid spray and the Guyver's regenerative powers will more or less null it out.}

 

_{The Guyver's weaponry I suspect would have the same result as if they were being used against average Zoanoids.}

 

_{In closing an even fight would be Vampire/Werewolf vs Zoanoid.  However against a Guyver, Gigantic, Zoalord, Hyper Zoanoid, or certain Lost Numbers the Vampires or Werewolves I believe wouldn't stand a chance.}

 

_{Again this is simply my point of view and can't be fully based on facts, this is just from my knowledge  on Guyver and from what I've SEEN on Twlight.  As for you original special characters I cannot make any assumptions just because I don't know anything about them.} 

[*Chernaudi]

Those are good theories and I can understand where you're coming from, but being familiar with the attributes of creatures from the Guyver universe and the Twilight universe, I do think that there are a few caveats.  Knowing about the Twi-pires, they do have diamond hard skin.  It's as impervious to conventional weapons as the Guyver armor is, and it's probably highly resistant to the anti-armor enzyme, so the Twilight vampires and vampire hybrids (which have a similar skin structure to vampires) would be at an advantage in a fight against Enzyme type Zoanoids relative to a Guyver, though upgrades to Sho and Agito's armor might cancel that out a bit--Gigantic Guyver and Gigantic Dark have the sheer power to devastate quite a few Enzyme IIIs with long range attacks, for instance. 

 

Also, though only to a limited extent (Twilight isn't really action focused), Twilight vampires do seem to have strength and agility on par with with at least a basic Guyver.  In the manga and TV series, when Guyver I is regenerated in Chronos' HQ, he was trying to punch and kick down a huge, armor-plated steel door.  Massive dents were made in the door, but only Guyver I's mega-smasher was able to take it down, though I'm pretty sure that the pressure cannon would've been just as effective.  We have to remember that Sho wasn't in control of the Guyver armor at that moment, so the armor's control medal was dictating it's actions.  Hence, it was attacking at full strength and full aggression, and probably whipped out the mega-smasher because the control medal though that Zoanoids were behind that door.  Twilight vampires have demonstrated similar amounts of strength, being able to crush and dent thick metal.

 

Of course, the speed deal might be a dead heat between a Twi-pire and a Guyver.  It was estimated that Twilight vampires can run at nearly 200mph/325kmh, which is slightly slower than the top speed of an Audi R18 or Toyota TS030 Le Mans car.  Of course, at GuyverSolution, it's said that Guyvers when running at full speed might easily be just as fast.  So I think most of the major tests of strength, agility and speed, it's a push and whether or not a Guyver or Twi-pire would be at an advantage against Zoaniods and Hyper Zoanoids would depend on tactics and circumstances.

 

In that respect, Guyvers might be at an advantage because they have more weapons and tactics to turn to if something doesn't work in their favor.  Guyvers have more close range weapons (sonic blades mostly), and especially long range weapons, such as the sonic busters, pressure canon, and mega-smasher.  Twi-pires can only use the tactic of beating the hell out of their enemies, which isn't a problem in my story, but if they'd rather use a longer-ranged attack, they don't have any alternatives most of the time aside from being shrewd with using traps and such.  But against Enzymes, in close combat, then it's advantage to the Twi-pires and hybrids, as their skin is probably more resistant to the acid.

 

As far as the vampire venom being acidic, the more active and animal blood feeders will have stronger acid in their venom, but even at that, most of the time, it won't do an insane amount of damage to a Guyver.  It would have to be concentrated to have an effect similar to the enzyme or more powerful.  However, the venom is flammable and--in my story--poisonous to most Zoaforms.  There are a few examples, but it's a poison to most Zoanoids.  As far as Guyvers go, though, even though the vampires can bite into the armor, the armor is resistant to such a poison, and such an attack will only do minor, cosmetic damage that can heal very quickly.

 

Vampires (and quite possibly hybrids, too), though, can heal very quickly from damage from say the sonic blades (being able to reattach limbs and immediately regain full function, like Aptom and Enzyme IIIs), and can withstand the sonic busters and, depending on circumstances, the pressure cannon (some vamps are weaker than others, remember--more on that later).  The mega-smasher can at least do significant damage, if not totally vaporize a vampire with a direct hit--if it can do significant damage to mountain sides, then it'd probably do a lot of damage to a Twi-pire pretty easily.

 

As far as the shape-shifting wolves, they're pretty much on par with high-end Hyper-Zoanoids based on my reading of the Twilight novels.  They'd have to be at least that powerful to take on vampires on equal terms.  And like almost all Zoa-creatures, the wolves are pretty vulnerable to the venom being a poison, and a Guyver can easily do considerable damage to them in combat.  But they can easily take on Zoanoids, even many Hypers, quite easily because of their speed, agility for their size, and ferocious fighting style, and even then, they can have numbers on their side in addition to that, too, since they hunt in packs with actual wolves.

 

And there's the relative differences between vampires, too, that I mentioned.  Human blood drinkers and sedentary vamps, such as the Volturi, would have problems with Guyvers most likely.  They skin seems to be more like porcelain than diamonds, and they have weaker venom--to the point where the venom has reduced effect on Zoanoids and has virtually no effect at all on Guyvers. 

 

Hybrids are marginally less strong and fast than vampires, but they have their own advantages, them being human allows them to blend in more, and some have talents and abilities that make up for any such minor deficiencies.  Most of my OC's, who are vampire hybrids, have the abilities to use gravity or elector-magnetic fields to use some weapons similar to the Guyvers, And they can also use any sword or knife like a vibroblade, too, namely their own custom-made bladed items.

 

And then there's OC, the Army Officer that is (nick)named Camel.  He can change his body to whatever circumstance or situation he wants to at will.  This is sort of like what Aptom can do, but with some catches, namely things Camel can do that Aptom can't or things that he does differently.  Camel only needs the DNA from whatever creature who's power he wants to adopt for himself.  This is why most of his powers come from females, just kissing a female creature can allow him to use her powers and assume her form.  Of course, there are other ways and means, too, such as killing and eating said creature, or just coming in contact with it's blood, venom or any other genetic material, but he does get powers from male creatures, too--he's an equal opportunity employer there LOL.

 

But here's how Camel differs from Aptom--his abilities to mimick and adopt the abilities of other creatures extend to vampires, vampire hybrids, shape-shifters (rarely used), Guyvers, and other creatures, and he can imitate forms--including humans--to perfection and at will, and can mix and match supernatural and superhuman powers and abilities.  Camel's mate Lia is also a strange case, in that she's a venomous hybrid, and can--albeit to a much lesser degree--manipulate her body to change, namely in that she can sprout wings that allows her to fly.  And her powers, which are based on manipulation and generation of electro-magnetic fields would put Elegen's powers to shame by a massive margin, being more powerful and versatile.

 

And as for the part human, part vampire, part Zoalord hybrid, for anyone who's read my other Guyver related post might be able to guess this one.  It's Shizu.  I'm a bit sentimental towards her, and I think she's a bit too cool to just up and die one day if she doesn't die and honorable death in battle, which is bad enough.  She volunteers to become a vampire hybrid--a bio-engineered one--to prolong her life.  She, in this story, ultimately becomes pretty much a full Zoalord because of that processing, and she gets all the abilities of being a hybrid, as well as her own powers and talents becoming enhanced, not to mention that she becomes immortal like a vampire hybrid.  Shizu becomes a full on warrior--when she wants or needs to--and is, much like Camel, an awe-inspiring creature who does get to keep a measure of her humanity.  However, she, like Camel, does try to use her powers for good and tries to avoid fights when she can, but you don't want to piss her off, or threaten innocent people or her friends.

 

Of course, these characters or canonization of characters have additional powers,too--such as Shizu while I'm on her.  Her hair seems to form the basis for Griselda's blades that hang from her head in that form, but in her human form, Shizu can use her hair to form tentacles/tendrils and sonic blades of her own, for example.

 

And one other little thing.  I know that Natsuki can ID/guess at people who might by a type of Zoanoid or would be a candidate for Zoaforming,  Well, in my story, she can do the same with Shape-shifters, vampires and vampire hybrids.  A little thing, but none the less a bit important in this story.

 

But it must be remembered that this story is mostly light-hearted.  It takes little jabs at both Twilight and Bio-Booster Armor Guyver, while also being an homage and tribute to those stories and being faithful to both of the stories.  It's just a work that I'm writing for fun and and it's mostly a humorous action-adventure/sci-fi and comedy story.  And it must be remembered that this is fan fiction, IE, my world, my game show, my rules   I'm just havin' fun with it, and if anyone else likes it once I get it done and posted somewhere (I'm only 8 chapters in), then that'd be great.

[*V Guyver]

Diamonds aren't as hard as people think, many can break easily just from being dropped a few feet off the floor. In smaller sizes, they are purer in crystal formation, and harder to break while sharper. 

Personally, A Guyver VS Twilight fight is not much different from a Zoanoid fight considering twilight monsters are probably weaker than Gregoles.... and Gregoles can tear apart tanks. 

...however, this does bring to me a blissful dream of a twilight massacre since I so dearly hate that franchise (though I do respect that they actually removed the silly non canon vampire weaknesses. 

[Salkafar]

If the vampires have diamond-hard skin, how do they move? In any case, granite (or diamond) is, to a Guyver's weapons, no more resistant than plywood.

Where do they get their strength? In any case, a Guyver wields about a hundred times the strength of a human.

What is the source of their energy? I doubt it is an extradimensional gravity well.

 

Why would you even do this? Except for the satisfaction, perhaps, of watching the Twilight cast get massacred,

[Larz Zahn]

I'm not gonna get all bashing in twilight. Never seen it.

So I'll get technical with the specs.

Enzyme. Your under the impression that their blood is acidic to all things. Not true, it only destroys the Guyver armor until enzyme III came along. the e3 had the enzyme plus the anti aptom virus.

Now for that door in the ova. Its not really stated that its steel, so it could be titanium though this is my opinion. The Guyver can punch through reinforced concrete with a simple punch. I'm sure several should make short work of steel. Now a for the weapon used to blow that door to little peices, it could of been the pressure cannon. After all if it was the megasmasher then it would of blasted through the side of the building. Guyver could of just flown out the giant hole and into the night.

One last note. Guyver has scary fast reaction time. He used his head beam to shoot a bullet that was headed toward Tetsuro in mid flight. And the gunmen was only 10 or more feet away.

Edited March 23, 2013 by Larz Zahn

[*Chernaudi]

The observations based on Guyver I's revival in Chronos' HQ were based off the manga, the OVA and the TV series.  I don't think that titanium would be used in those doors, because one issue that titanium has is its lightweight, which is comparable to aluminum--this is why titanium is used in jet engines/gas turbine engine, high speed aircraft, and in engine turbochargers, because it's light and very heat resistant.  Not that it's likely, but I'd think that Chronos would design those doors to have some resistance to Zoanoids, most of which are no where near as strong as a Guyver, namely when it's host isn't holding back or when the CM is dictating the armor's actions.  Titanium doors would be wise from a maintenance standpoint and it would take less power to raise and lower them, but they wouldn't be as durable.  Also, when Guyver I breaks out of that storage room after the Zoanoids tried to trap him in there, it seems that the mega-smasher was used, because of how the Zoanoids were atomized as if in a normal mega-smasher attack.  Also, in the OVA, an electro-magnetic pulse (EMP) happened, which is shown by the lights in Guyot's office flickering.  The pressure cannon is a baby black hole-like energy blast made up of gravitational energy, while the mega-smasher is a particle beam weapon that relies partially on electrically charged particles for its power, and said power of the mega-smasher isn't always fixed.

 

As far as how vampires can move even with their diamond/granite hard skin, their venom is what allows for that movement, as described here:  http://www.twilightlexicon.com/2006/03/25/physiology/

 

Vampires are also extremely quick and can sense danger or peril very quickly, almost like a 6th sense, very similar to a Guyver's hyper sense organs, and, like a Guyver, the can react accordingly,  Vampire hybrids and shape shifters have a similar ability. 

 

Vampires in the Saga are their own enemies in so far as that the thing that's most likely to kill a vampire is another vampire.  Humans and conventional human weapons are basically as useless to killing a vampire as they are to killing a Guyver.  The Guyver units, though, do level the playing field quite a bit, and the Guyver's long range attacks are a huge advantage relative to even another vampire.

 

One thing about my story, though, that I don't know if everyone will like, it that there's a definite girl power aspect.  The female characters do get a lot of page time, with narrations and the activities that they do and such, and there's an action girl aspect, too.  I already mentioned my plans for Shizu--one of my favorite characters from Guyver, I think that she's too cool to get killed off, and a character that deserves more exploration.  She becomes processed into a vampire hybrid, she basically become immortal as a result (vampire hybrids in Twilight are as immortal as vampires), and though she retains her quiet and reserved nature, and her kindness and gentleness, she becomes a more formidable fighter, has a slight temper (like Natsuki seems to have), and she develops a sense of humor and becomes more talkative.  You won't find very many designated girl fights, but Shizu is a formidable fighter, and she can stay in her human form and use her powers and fight, though she doesn't, fitting her nature, fight very often.

 

Even Natsuki and Mizuki get some page time as action girls.  Natsuki continues her research and being "the brains" of the outfit, and she's still a cute nerdy girl and a sci-fi nut, and she can determine things about vampires, hybrids and shape-shifters, in addition to Zoanoids.  So she keeps that about her, just built upon, and she outsmarts people and provides info to her allies.  Mizuki, though, she's still the girl and Sho's GF and such, but she does have a few cool moments where she does kick some ass.  Mind you, she's still human and she punches out a total buffoon, but, hey, he was askin' for it

 

So my girls, be it OC's, Twilight vamps or Guyver characters, they aren't just window dressing, which in Guyver, Shizu, Natsuki and Mizuki aren't exactly window dressing (since they are a fighter/leader of men, a brainiac and moral support respectively) but they for sure get more of the limelight in this story than usual.  That, and I just like the girl power deal as a writer, and Shizu symbolizes that a good deal as far as her role in Guyver.  She's a leader of men and a fighter, but she's still feminine, caring, polite and gentle, as opposed to being gruff and insensitive like a lot of female heroes become at times.

 

Now that I've talked about that and how certain things work in Twilight vs Guyvers, I do have to add one more thing about the actual comparison between Guyvers and Twi-pires:  Twilight vamps can't fly, nor can they turn into bats.  Advantage Guyver, since Guyvers can manipulate gravity to fly, though there are exceptions, such as Lia and Camel, who can fly to some degree, but pretty much not exactly like Sho or Agito can when they're in their armor.

[Salkafar]

What a load of bollocks.

 

Now I hate Twilight even more.

[*Jess♥]

please remember to be respectful.

I'm not sure of the context because I can't read that much, but I'm not sure if that's an appropriate response.

[Salkafar]

The vampires are basically made of sand.

They have no internal fluids but somehow remain capable of movement.

And they garner enough energy from blood to be super-strong.

 

Did Meyer even bother to write an origin story for them?

[*Chernaudi]

We all have to remember that Twilight is fiction, which isn't much of a defense, aside from the fact that fiction doesn't have to make sense.  There's plenty of stuff that in Guyver that doesn't make sense as far as actual reality.  There's plenty in Guyver that does work in theory as far as the weaponry of the Guyver armor, and genetic mutation is something that does happen.  However, the ancient alien conspiracy is something that's never been 100% proven to be fact, which is why Guyver is classified as science fiction.

 

Also, we don't currently possess the ability to make humans into powerful mutants, even if it's something that can be unlocked within a person's DNA, by putting them in a processing tank for a few days.  That's just beyond our abilities, at least for now.

 

And to the best of my knowledge, vampires don't actually exist in any from as far as folklore goes, be it Dracula or the Twilight Saga.  Most of the main stream vampire stuff has been derived from urban legends about Vlad the Impaler, the ancient Romanian ruler.  I'd believe that Stephanie tried to do a few things different to try and mark her vampires as unique and didn't feel like doing the same vampire stuff--and yes, Stephanie did do research on basic vampire lore before she took off completely on writing Twilight.

 

It's just like how Yoshiki Takaya created Bio-Booster Armor Guyver as a tribute to the Kamen Rider and Ultraman shows that he grew up with as a teenager in the 1970s.  That was then combined with his editors suggestion that he make his idea a bit more violent, scary and edgy for the teens out there, and Guyver as we know it was the outcome, and it's been that way pretty much since 1985.  Guyver has hints of the other Japanese armored heroes, but it still goes down it's own unique road in it's own right.

 

But it must be remembered that the Twilight Saga is mostly a romance story, read mostly by women.  It's the guy fans of the Twilight that think about things like what can the vampires and shape-shifters do, and how might they stack up against other creatures.  I like the romance aspect, and the Twilight Saga isn't really an action story, but there are still those who in fan fic like to inject an action/adventure aspect.

[*Kenji Murakami]

Reality is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense.

 'Fraid you've got it backwards, dear.

[*Chernaudi]

And I have another idea for a Twilight fan fic, this one centered on what the Volturi did during World War II.  That is, if I ever get around to writing it.  Between work, other things I'm involved with, and my current fan fic, it'll be an uphill battle to get stuff done with it.  But I have another Twilight/Guyver crossover that's WIP.  It's mostly about Twilight and Guyver characters in Volterra.  Caius from the Volturi gets his hands on some Zoanoid processing equipment, and has managed to find some World War II era armaments.  However, considering that I believe that most of that stuff wouldn't stand a chance against Twilight vampires or vampire hybrids, I'd have to say that Caius' chances against a Guyver, even in basic form, are equally as slim.

 

For instance, how would a basic Guyver do against a Panzer VI Tiger/King Tiger tank?  I assume that the Tiger wouldn't do well, but how quickly would it's fate be sealed, since modern MBTs would barely withstand an assault by normal Zoanoids.  This is probably better suited for the science area, but did anyone during WWII have anything that could challenge a Guyver of a similarly powerful creature?  It's not like RAF Mosquitoes could drop a 4000lb bomb on such a creature or a Lancaster could drop a 11 ton Grand Slam on them, or at least do it accurately.  I guess if modern weapons can't do a damn thing to them, 70 year old weapons would be just as about as useless.

[durendal]

WWII weapons would be like peashooters to Zoanoids with the exception of nukes.  It may be interesting to pit "twilight" vampires to zoanoids, but Guyvers are way out of their league.  The Volturi are weak and their strength only comes from their numbers and special individuals they posses.  The cullens would stand victorious if they face the volturi on a one of one match.  In fact, if you look closely, there is dissent from the Volturi ranks.  The only reason they still serve the volturi is because of fear.

[*Chernaudi]

If that's the case or if they can be manipulated, could it be conceivable that someone with really powerful psychic powers, such as Shizu (as Griselda) can force them to fight? Of course, in my story, vampires and vampire hybrids, and even the wolves are at least somewhat resistant to influences like that. Bella would be highly resistant because that's her main ability--as well as using it to protect others. For her part in my story, Shizu (because of reprocessing) is much more powerful as a psychic, and though--partly though some inability, and partly because she chooses not to--can't really directly control several Twilight creatures, she can still use telepathy to communicate with them and give them info, even in her human form.

Edited September 20, 2013 by Chernaudi

[Larz Zahn]

It is my understanding that (canon) Shizu only has normal Zoalord telepathy. And that zoalepathy (new word!!) Only effects zoanoids. The reason she blocked Balcus was cause the Libertus were gene coded to her.

[*Chernaudi]

In my fan fic, Shizu becomes a vampire hybrid (to give her immortality and enhance her powers/battle abilities).  It's my understanding that in Twilight that vampire hybrids can only be born, hence, we end up with Renesmee/Nessie being Bella and Edward's daughter.  But considering the freaky drenn that both Chronos and some Twilight characters have been up to in both stories, it's conceivable that Shizu and Agito--granted, with creative liberty common in fan fic--can find the means to reprocess her into something else, including something part vampire.  It also helps that they find a friend (of Shizu's) who is already a vampire hybrid that they can gather info on.

 

And we've seen Shizu be able to control other Zoanoids by blocking out the control of other Zoalords.

 

With that in mind, based on genetics, it's possible then that Shizu can control, at least in theory, vampires and vampire hybrids.  However, as I said, it usually doesn't really work out that way, exactly.  She can still communicate though telepathy with anything, provided that it's at least part human or part vampire.  Other than that, her enhanced powers do allow her to penetrate virtually any mental shield.

 

She becomes a ridiculously powerful battle creature because of her combination of human, vampire and Zoaform attributes.

 

Nonetheless, the Twilight characters are have very useful attributes in my story at least that help them--and the Guyvers--defeat other vampires and Zoanoids.

[Larz Zahn]

 

And we've seen Shizu be able to control other Zoanoids by blocking out the control of other Zoalords.

 

Are you referring to her blocking Balcus from taking over Libertus?

and I'm simply referring to Shizu's "canon" form or statistics.

[*Chernaudi]

Nope, in Volume 18, Griselda overrides Barcus' control and commands a group of Chronos Zoanoids to turn on those sent to reinforce them.

[*Jess♥]

quick note here.

you might want to double check the source for that statement.

[*Chernaudi]

OK then, volume 20, chapter 120, pages 16-18.  Shizu commands the surviving Zoanoids to attack their comrades who were supposed to reinforce them after she herself kills a significant number of them when they tried to attack her because of her ability to heal and power the other Libertus and mess with the energy levels of the other Zoanoids.

 

She seems capable as Griselda of not only protecting the Libertus from interference from another Zoalord, she can then control Chronos' Zoanoids if she wants to.

[durendal]

Heh, while were at it, why don't we mix in some 50 shades into the equation.  Given that Shizu has this strong sense to serve Agito, what if Christian Grey comes into the picture and swoons her off her feet, dispensing her his infamous S&M habits.  He just might be one of the higher up of Cronos given his vast wealth and influence.

[Larz Zahn]

Ah i see. My mistake. I thought you said she could override a Zoalords control on regular zoanoids. My bad. Yeah she has the typical Zoalord abilities with telepathy plus the Libertus bring gene coded to her. Plus a pretty scary support powers. Her vibro hair plus her healing ability. Is this the first time we seen characters in Guyver healing others?

[*Chernaudi]

I'd hate to imagine what 50 Shades of Bullshit would be like if some integrated that into a Guyver fan fic.  If I were Shizu, I'd take Agito over Christian any day.  Agito might not (seemingly) have many romantic feelings for Shizu (at least to the same extent she does for him), but I prefer that over that S&M bullcrap.  I'd write a parody of 50 Shades called Eight .50 Calibers of Death about a WWII P-47 pilot after Mr. Grey.

 

Granted, some of my characters in the fan fic--including Shizu--have read 50 Shades, but she says that it's crap compared to Twilight.  But that's my opinion of 50 Shades and it's fan fic, after all

 

Now a question:  if Shizu was to be somehow processed into being a part human, part vampire being, I do wonder how that might improve on her powers, outside of anything that's "added" during processing.

[*Chernaudi]

Now something about one of my OC's from the story.

 

There's Camel, who's a vampire hybrid and his main power is shape shifting.  He can emulate any human/vampire/werewolf/Guyver/zoaform he wants, provided that he's got the genetic info from whatever creature he want to assume the form of.  He especially likes to use female human forms, such as Shizu, Natsuki, his own wife Lia (as far as his battle power, here electricity and electrical/electromagnetic field manipulation is one of his dominant powers), Melinda, Jess, Bella, Renesmee, and stuff like that.  He also can use their powers if they have them, and he often emulates the battle form of Griselda, and her hair blades are almost always part of his offensive weaponry. 

 

He also has a bio-luminescence thing on head, on the top of his head and around his eyes.  The ones on his head are part of a compound eye-like sensor device that mostly functions sort of like a Guyver's sense organs.  They light up different colors in reflection to his mood, the inspiration for these being the LED headlights and back-lit colored highlights that Audi have used on their R18 Le Mans cars the past couple of years.  I also asked about the mechanism that they can be used in a thread about it. 

 

Camel can also produce vampire venom and can weaponize it as either acid, poison, or extremely powerful liquid and plastic explosives.  He can also produce the anit-Guyver enzyme and anti-bodies to prevent anyone absorbing him or poisoning him--that is if they can get anything though his granite hard, virtually impenetrable skin.

 

So I though that I'd post that for consumption and debate among forum members.

Edited April 21, 2014 by Chernaudi