odin Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Something has been bugging me and that is the effectiveness of the Guyver remover as well as the existence of Guyver 2F first the remover (and this is just me speculating), I was wondering if the remover will work at all against a Guyver in gigantic form, from my understanding Gigantic is something that Sho created via the ship to beat zoalords so I assume it is something the creators never came up against so wouldn't it be based of different components that are not completely similar to the guyver unit thus not being compatible to the removers frequency if any? mind you this is just me speculating but I wanted to throw that out for discussion. Second is the thing that has been bugging me the most is Guyver 2F, didn't Agito destroy all the data that was on the Chronos japan branch hq? it can't be that they had the data before they lost it cause Guyver 2F has the damaged Control medal that the original has, don't know if I'm missing something but it just something that bothers me a bit, unless agito was not provided with all the access of the japan branch and the data was sent before the explosion which is highly unlikely considering that they where not even prepared for the inside attack that agito gave and the return of sho. thoughts? opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSpleach Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Odin, I don't think Agito had anyway of preventing data collected through research from being sent to another branch or the Arizona base. I believe if he tried, he would have been caught. As for the remover, I could see it not have the right protocols to remove a Gigantic unit. And with Guyver 2F having the artificial control medal, we actually don't know if the remover would be able to remove her unit normally, not at all, or kill her in the process cause of the instability of her unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*V Guyver Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 He only destroyed the test types and much of the data. But as demonstrated at the mount minakami, Barcus still had access to the data and ended up creating Enzyme II based off that data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost unit Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 i wonder if there was a guyver remover in Arizona Relic when agito got the spheres or was that one lost too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*LordNemesis Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I doubt there was aother remover. The Uranus only needed one to deal with the human Guyver threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSpleach Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I doubt there was only one because if the units were standard equipment to the creators, than they were probably removed when it wasn't needed or the work-shift was over. Though I doubt the relic in Arizona only because Agito didn't grab one or maybe even see one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Jess♥ Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I don't think he had time. for guyver II F, her CM is not damaged like guyver 2. it is made to look like it artistically, but it is just constructed from segments. I'm not sure if it has any relevance there. I don't know where the data came from but there was a slideshow that was presented to shin-tachi in book 7 I think. it had images of guyver II so i am sure they had access to a lot. the remover, work by telling the CM to delete user data. I am not sure that the gigantic armour would even have any effect on the transmission of that protocol. I am thinking that the signal would get through and the CM would obey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*LordNemesis Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 But since there is no remover available at the moment we may never know what would exactly happen! All we can do is really guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aether Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 the last time we saw the remover was on Guyots arm as he was blasted with the mega smasher in book 8, in the 2005 anime he was also shown falling to the ground after this with it still on his arm... that is the last time we see Guyot in the anime and in the manga until book 13... i'm guessing wherever Guyot fell he woke u with no zoacrystal but a unit remover on his arm... this could possibly be his leverage with the rebel zoalords and how he persuaded them to process him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guyver0 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) I think the data on Guyver 2 went towards the Chronos mainframe where everyone in Chronos can access it. Agito just erased all the local data from their servers at the Japan Branch, but didn't erase what was already floating around in the Chronos Global Servers. I don't think the remover would work with the Gigantic Navigational Spheres directly because the Gigantic's is vastly different from the Guyver's CM. However would the pulse from the remover go pass the Gigantics and directly to the Guyver CM and undo everything? As for Guyver 2F I don't think it would work on her because it's just a cheap imitation of a CM. But who can tell, we just don't have anything that supports/disproves this? Although I thought there was one set of three units and a remover on every ship because if there was only a total of three units there would only be three ships on earth and not the massive amounts of ships that were displayed, right? So maybe each ship had Uranus Scientists to come up with the experiments and three technicians for each ship? Edited December 11, 2012 by Guyver0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*LordNemesis Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I really find it hard to believe that Guyot would still have the unite remover. It most certainly must have been at least severely damaged if it survived the destruction of Relic's Point. The loss of the remover as well as his zoacrystal must be the main reason why Guyot would even consider teaming up with the other renegade zoalords. I would stretch my imagination a little further, but I would much rather prefer to play it safe until some concrete facts about what happened to him after the events of Relic's Point come to light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSpleach Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Considering Guyot survived his removal of the zoacrystal along with a fall towards a erupting volcano, I think the remover survived. Guyot has shown his cunning in the past and is probably saving it for his trump card. What forced his hand last time was the fact that Archanfel already knew exactly what Guyot was planning and Guyot didn't plan for him cause he never knew anything about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveblackeye152 Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 I figure that alien technology is probably pretty strong and could survive such a fall. My money is that is his ace in the hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*guyverfan Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) i have to agree, definetly the unit remover would have servived relics point, but who's to say guyot still has it? maybe archanfel took it sometime between removing guyot's crystal and finding murakami. also since sho is effected by sonic blasts while still wearing gigantic, would say that he would also be effected by the remover as it focuses a similar pulse, disrupting the cm and host. as for 2F, hard to say because her cm was artificially produced, would it still respond to the same frequency resenance to which the creators made their cm? Edited December 19, 2012 by guyverfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSpleach Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 If Archanfel had the remover we would have seen it. Plus he didn't get the chance when Agito blew a hole through Guyot's chest after his zoacrystal was removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Jess♥ Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 1also since sho is effected by sonic blasts while still wearing gigantic, would say that he would also be effected by the remover as 2it focuses a similar pulse, disrupting the cm and host. 1. I don't recall this part, can you remind us where this happened? 2. how similar are you thinking? what evidence are you using? just need to clear these two things up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aether Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 If Archanfel had the remover we would have seen it. Plus he didn't get the chance when Agito blew a hole through Guyot's chest after his zoacrystal was removed. not necessarily dude. we didnt even see Guyot land on the ground. if something wasnt seen it could have happened. from the time the relic was being destroyed until he's on the hill with the Zoalords we dont see what Alcanphel does... having said that though i dont see why he would retrieve the Remover and not finish off Guyot at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*guyverfan Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 (edited) 1also since sho is effected by sonic blasts while still wearing gigantic, would say that he would also be effected by the remover as 2it focuses a similar pulse, disrupting the cm and host. 1. I don't recall this part, can you remind us where this happened? 2. how similar are you thinking? what evidence are you using? just need to clear these two things up :)/> well my memory isn't that great but i vaguely remember in one battle he's shot with a sonic blast or try's to dodge one while he's wearing the gigantic(why try to dodge if your immune to the effect) and i think the unit removers ability was shown in a flash back story.(would be some type of pulse, either sonic,infrasonic,electromagnetic) someone with a photographic memory or a great one would be of good use right about now. otherwise i'd have to spend the next two weeks combing back through the series, lol. Edited December 20, 2012 by guyverfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSpleach Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 If Archanfel had the remover we would have seen it. Plus he didn't get the chance when Agito blew a hole through Guyot's chest after his zoacrystal was removed. not necessarily dude. we didnt even see Guyot land on the ground. if something wasnt seen it could have happened. from the time the relic was being destroyed until he's on the hill with the Zoalords we dont see what Alcanphel does... having said that though i dont see why he would retrieve the Remover and not finish off Guyot at the same time. You do have a good point on that though. It's possible he might have gone down to retrieve the remover and either saw it to put it aside from the other zoalords or he didn't find it. In either scenario, I'm sure he didn't find Guyot cause he would have finished him off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Jess♥ Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 well my memory isn't that great but i vaguely remember in one battle he's shot with a sonic blast or try's to dodge one while he's wearing the gigantic(why try to dodge if your immune to the effect) and i think the unit removers ability was shown in a flash back story.(would be some type of pulse, either sonic,infrasonic,electromagnetic) someone with a photographic memory or a great one would be of good use right about now. otherwise i'd have to spend the next two weeks combing back through the series, lol. I usually have a pretty keen memory and is why I questioned it. to my recollection, shou never faced the vikkar while equipping the gigantic armour. the first time he saw them was when he was fighting chaos aptom and he made fast work of them after his feint. The unit remover was explained to work by forcing the control metal to delete user data. the method of communication is unclear. to delete data by brute force doesn't seem feasible or cronos would have created their own remover by now. the way it was explained and the fact the remover has it's own structure resembling the CM, the way it works seems to be through data communication. something I like to keep on top of and is very important to keep in mind, when you aren't sure of something or if you are assuming, make sure you phrase it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*guyverfan Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 (edited) ok, sorry ryuki, didn't mean to ruffle any feathers, sometimes when i type i'm speaking out loud and its normally all speculative which i should of mentioned in my first post. was sure when the two guyvers fought one used a sonic blast against the other, doesn't matter, so many twists n turns with added mystery in the series excites and mushes my brain at times. by the way, your avatar looks great with the added shadow Edited December 21, 2012 by guyverfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Jess♥ Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 no need to say sorry, just need to be a bit more clear on where you're coming from. mentioning the CM and sonic blast, immediately brings to mind the vikkar. nobody(?) would think you were talking about the sonic buster because i'm pretty sure the guyver would be toast if he got hit with that. I don't think the effect on the CM ever came into it when thinking about what that would do. I mean, you haven't specifically said it, but I'm going off what you said about the two guyvers fighting. I am right aren't I ? you were talking about the sonic buster possibly forcing the unit to deactivate? I don't think anyone's ever thought of it, or brought it up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odin Posted December 21, 2012 Author Share Posted December 21, 2012 In my opinion sonic attacks would not affect the control medal to the point of deactivation, if it did then the Hyper Zoanoids Noskov and Myumelzee would have deactivated Shou's CM when they caught him with multiple sound blasts which I'm assuming combined are as strong or close to the Guyver's Pressure cannon. Also if Guyot indeed does have the remover I consider stupid of him to have not ambushed Shou and Agito when they where fighting, he did have the element of surprise and could have one hot them both although if I think about it It would have been risky since it is not stated the range of the remover and if he missed he would have had a very bad time fighting both guyver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durendal Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 If Guyot did have the remover, I'd imagine he wouldn't have enough bio-energy to activate it since he is currently using a dummy crystal. It was different when he was a full fledge Zoalord, and yet he barely managed to take off Guyver III's unit. Leaning a bit off topic here, but would it be possible for Guyot to survive his encounter with Alchanfel using the energy from the Remover? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember the remover needing charging using bio-energy. Perhaps Guyot can siphon back the energy that he put into the remover to get out of harms way even for just an instant? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alkanfel009 Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 I remember that first guyot lost much of their power to escape alkanphel, and then the black aguhero, and then use this to steal stripping unit power, not the power put into this unit but it has power that binds to zoacristal, and I think that this unit is stripping technology creators, is still there, and a guyot not used for the simple fact that the ultimaves not worked well, and if you use a zoacristal imitation now, I think you can not activate , Finally I think it's more than obvious that you if 2f guyver unit, is based on the original of this Guyvers respond the same way as the others, and that until the moment the only difference is the control unit Yet other such instability that after a while precenta active Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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