guyver movie has to be remade

[Guest eurynomestolas]

so starting this topic out who would be the best to direct this. ... Christopher Nolan. if he could remake batman and do it that badass i am sure he could do it with the guyver. it would also spark more people's interest that he was directing.

[odin]

In a way I would agree to make him the director since I did like how he explains in the batman films how every gadget works and stuff which is something that the guyver series is known for but on the other hand his movies get a bit too preachy and the action scenes where not that really great so I have mixed opinions on that.

[Bio-Boosted Dude]

Haha, Christopher Nolan, eh?

I'm not sure how well he would handle a sci-fi character like Guyver. He could potentially bring it down to earth like he did with Batman, but Batman was already pretty tame compared to something like Guyver. Man of Steel will be interesting to see because of a similar reason. Also I wouldn't be too keen on the idea of Guyver becoming a giant action hollywood blockbuster type movie. It's tricky.

[Salkafar]

I don't think this is a good idea. It would not access well with the mainstream public because of the high degree of visceral death, not to mention the philosophical issue (We were not created by God OR evolution, but by aliens who made us as the ultimate biological weapons. Unfortunately, we were a failure and they tried to get rid of us. All humans have the seed of a monster inside them. Our only hope is... um... not becoming what we were designed to be).

Unless you make the message "We were designed to be killers. We're failures. Then we can try to be something else."

[soul science]

I would prefer Peter Jackson if its made by Americans, but a new guyver movie should be made by Japanese.

[*Jess♥]

salkafar, I wonder if the message is not that we are failures, but rather something more like this:-

the creators could try and make life, but life wants to be free and be self deterministic.

the creators wanted to make life into a weapon, but shou demonstrates clearly throughout the series that life is not able to be purely made into a weapon, rather life seeks to protect the dearest ones.

something like that. but i think philosophically, it could work fine as a movie.

that is my view.

I am unsure if Christopher Nolan could do it justice. the batman films felt macabre to me. or if not macabre, then rather gloomy and never felt very positive. I think guyver is different.

although it deals with horrific themes, i feel that it deals with those themes through shou's perspective. that of innocence and a focus on living and freedom.

[daveblackeye152]

While I don't think Nolan would be the best for Guyver he'd be way better than Jackson I think who in turn would be way better than Michael Bay I admit.

I mean while Nolan's films are dark there is quite a bit a spark of optimism with the closing of the trilogy, at least in my opinion without giving spoilers.

Bay would have thirty minutes of annoying Sho and Tetsuro hijinks, Zoanoid and Guyver, thirty minutes more of stupid, a little action, stupid, then finally some real action mixed with stupid. Though he would give Valcuria plenty of screentime...too much actually now that I think of it.

[Super Existence]

I often wonder why the default directors are hacks like Christopher Nolan and even worse Peter Jackson. Those guys suck balls Nolan is at his best doing something low key (He still hasn't surpassed Momento).

As for Jackson, yeesh, come on guys use you imagination, don't pick whoever did the worlds biggest movies for that reason alone. Did nobody see King Kong?

Salkafar is right Guyver is too dark to be made as a big budget hollywood film, same as Spawn (ok they made Spawn but it was ass).

Guyver is ever so slightly grotesque and I think difficult to make it appeal to a broad audience.

Also storywise it's a bloody nightmare. There's so many characters to deal with, worldwide organisations, fights on a super epic scale.

It's also difficult to reduce it's scope without gutting what makes the story great, a fight for freedom against tyrannical oppression coming from the smallest of people.

Guyver needs to be a slow burner otherwise the rest of the story seems a little over the top (men turning into monsters....), as a result it would

take about ten films to make a serious dent in the story; Guyver, the Uranus, Mount Minikami, Agito, Cronos, Imakarum, the zoalord 12 Alcanphel, Aptom, Gigantic, The Ark...etc...

I personally hope it never happens. Whatever gets done wouldn't come close to what it needs to be (look at the movies so far).

Guyvers cool to people who find it cool, if you don't find it cool it's a bit bizarre.

[*Jess♥]

I often wonder why the default directors are hacks like Christopher Nolan and even worse Peter Jackson. Those guys suck balls Nolan is at his best doing something low key (He still hasn't surpassed Momento).

I think most people don't consider them hacks and don't think they suck balls.

if they did, the movies wouldn't make money.

people enjoy them.

if the definition of good is something that most people won't appreciate and the definition of crappy is something that everyone really enjoys and wants more of, then I want to live in the most crappy world.

peter jackson... hmm, well he did do a good job of adapting a rather long saga for the silver screen. he managed to convince the producers to put up the enormous amount of money to make it happen. I think he'd do a good job.

[Salkafar]

I don't agree that Guyver needs a big director.

The key term of 'Guyver' is defiance.

Ryuki is right - life is uncontrollable. The Creators had forgotten that. The Zoanoids represent the failure of defiance, but Guyot, dr.Odagiri, the Guyver itself, Aptom, and even Archanfel himself represent rebellion.

[RazorLaser]

Ridley Scott

[Snaku]

If I had to pick from the current crop of Hollywood directors for a big budget Guyver flick, I'd probably go with Guillermo del Toro. I think he'd be able to inject enough of his own creativity into the adaptation to make it digestible for the average moviegoer, while also maintaining the spirit of the manga. His work on Hellboy and Hellboy II should be proof enough of his qualifications.

This is all a pipe dream of course.

[Salkafar]

del Toro! Now THAT would be interesting...

[daveblackeye152]

Yes I would be curious about del Toro too.

[Guest snow]

That would be a good start to roll in people who've never heard of the Guyver by making a remake that takes place in Japan and goes with the 2005 anime and the old manga scripts. They may want to start out just with one film of how people will react and try to put in maybe most of the first and only season without messing it up too badly. Get some good well-known producers. Like the producer who did the Avengers. That'd be a start. I'd go see it if they made a remake. Have Marvel do it.

[alkanfel009]

I know this is only hope, but still if you want to re start the history of the guyver I personally demand, the plot begins with chapters 86 to 89, and from there jump to chapters 79 and 80, focus more on timesheets, and introduce sho and other Guyvers up half the pelciula, good is only what I would like ami

 

[Guest snow]

Is it possible that Yoshiki could be hindering his own creation? Only keeping it restricted to the manga in Japan in Japanese dub?He hasn't really given it a chance to go anywhere other than the country he lives in, yeah you can buy it off Ebay and Amazon, in Japanese Language. Not going to buy what I can't read and yeah, I know Yuki offers the alternative but I'll pass.I mean I've heard rumors that he was responsible for not renewing it for another season after the 2005 first adaptation. In fact someone told me he sort of pulled the plug but than again its pulling the plug when you're not promoting your original base work which is his comic strip , he's not having it adapted to other languages. In my honest opinion, Instead of another Guyver anime re-boot like the 2005 anime or another movie, He should just have English versions of all his manga put out on a shelf in Barnes & Noble. Why did Batman and Captain America do so well Internationally? Oh the comics were in different languages, they were well advertised. But Yoshiki for some reason fails to do even that, but he can have it put on TV and people dont know what the hell it is and they pick up the remote and change the channel because it looks like a kids show to them. That would be the best advertisement.Normally when it comes to foreign products,people have to be spoon fed. You give it to them as a bomb and they will run from it. The people don't need another anime adaptation,We all see how well that worked out. People need to be able to absorb it before they go head on into another Guyver season thats just going to go no where. And as far as another movie. I don't think it will work. Look at the first two films. No one knew a whole lot about The Guyver and the movies were sort of dismissed. The Guyver with Mark Hamel got terrible reveiws and the second was a TV movie that anyone barely knows about. So my opinion to Yoshiki. ENGLISH DUBB manga or other language across other countries before another media tie in. It does not make a lick of sense to me to have an English anime with Japanese Manga. Wan't people to like a product. Make it more available just other than in one form. Thats why I've lost hope in it. Thats my biggest peeve right there. His lack of product. Yes,I've been a frustrated fan who has lack of hope that he'll do anything more. I think someone needs to write him a letter but I doubt he'll listen.

Edited March 7, 2014 by Jupiter-Prime

[*YoungGuyver]

I think Takaya's problem is that he's a slow writer.  It takes him a long time to come up with new story.  And after the disaster of the first movie, perhaps he wants to be involved with any new production, which slows him down even more.  It might be best for him to simply finish his saga, which by this point is probably his retirement nest egg.  Oh well

[Guest snow]

Well, why instead of signing deals with film studios and Anime companies , why not get with a good International Publishing Company, Book Company and have his work translated for a number of countries and get his work  recognized? He'd profit from it more,not that he cares about money, and the goals of Japan Legend and the members here who slave away at getting what his fans want. I must honestly say that I'm not a supporting fan of Yoshiki, not trying to offend anyone but if he can't try harder to please his supporting fans in the other countries than I've already gave up on him and his work and thrown my hands in the air and gone to do something else.How I can appreciate what I can't see? Yeah,Yuki translates, but it would be nice if it were some Industrial Official English Translation Copy. I would do this with any artist that wants their work to be seen but for reasons unknown fails to give to the people who want to see it. I like the Guyver,but its no longer a striving favorite. Yoshiki needs to get it translated. Maybe 20-30-40 years from now, some company will come along, take it and translate it and put it on shelves in every country to be sold and appreciated. It'd be nice if it popped up in Barnes And Nobles in the Manga section as an English Translation. But thats just another dream yet to come true.

[alkanfel009]

Well, why instead of signing deals with film studios and Anime companies , why not get with a good International Publishing Company, Book Company and have his work translated for a number of countries and get his work  recognized? He'd profit from it more,not that he cares about money, and the goals of Japan Legend and the members here who slave away at getting what his fans want. I must honestly say that I'm not a supporting fan of Yoshiki, not trying to offend anyone but if he can't try harder to please his supporting fans in the other countries than I've already gave up on him and his work and thrown my hands in the air and gone to do something else.How I can appreciate what I can't see? Yeah,Yuki translates, but it would be nice if it were some Industrial Official English Translation Copy. I would do this with any artist that wants their work to be seen but for reasons unknown fails to give to the people who want to see it. I like the Guyver,but its no longer a striving favorite. Yoshiki needs to get it translated. Maybe 20-30-40 years from now, some company will come along, take it and translate it and put it on shelves in every country to be sold and appreciated. It'd be nice if it popped up in Barnes And Nobles in the Manga section as an English Translation. But thats just another dream yet to come true.

estoy de acuerdo en parte, pero creo que no es para tano tenemos ejemplos de mangas que son muy conocidos sin un doblaje muy oficial en muchos paises , tales como gantz  , naruto, y otros mas , que apesar de que tienen un doblaje oficial en barios paises, el doblaje de los fans es mucho mas rapido y masibo, creo que para guyver, no es impedimento el poco conocimiento de su hitoria a las masas, ya que apesar de todo sigue siendo una pelea de monstruos violencia y  enfrentar al gobierno mundial de cronos,  cuantas peliculas, no se han visto con una estructura similar, 

 

tomen de ejemplo , la primera pelicula de robocop,  el actor principal ba on un traje casi toda la pelicla, pero el echo de que fuese la primera no fue inpedimento para que el precentar a un personaje como ese  no enganchara al publico , lo mismo se puede decir de el depredador, exterminador , o peliculas como aliens, he incluso en su momento la primera pelicula de las tortugas ninjas, 

 

la razon de que la primera pelicula guyver, live action no funciono , fue or su guion ,   demaciado infantil , poco original y aun que si seguia medianamente los eventos de el primer tomo de the guyver, no cambia el echo de que fue mas bien una pelicula muy olvidable ,  la segunda dio de yendo con el punto de la accion y violencia y estamos hablando de una pelicula que tenia solo un tercio de el capital de la original  ,  pensemos que una pelicula nueva para guyver, echa como se deve ,  

 

1  sin corografias de artes marciales

 

2  sin temas moralistas patéticos como intentar ser un símbolo 

 

3  con los perosnjes como son en el manga adaptados  no a estereotipos sino a su extencion lógica, ejemplo 

 

(  agito guyver 3 si no lo yeban con cuidado muchos lo asociaran con una copia  a batman )

 

4  minimisar el publico y entender que tiene que ser una pelicula ®  de lo contrario no funcionara, 

 

5 y mas importante aun , no subtramas in necesarias, 

 

ejemplo , no sub trama romántica innecesaria ( mizuki,)

 

6 lo mas importante es tener accion cruda y eliminar los huecos y fallos que todos conocemos de el manga, ya sea  tener a alguien esperando a que se transforme el otro o atacar a sho con armas de fuego comunes cuando no usa su armadura , para ver que efecto tendria en el ,  tener a sho practicando un poco con su poder de guyver, para dar pequeñas demostraciones al publico de que puede hacer, 

 

bueno eso es solo my opinión  

 

perdon por no traducirlo pero no tuve mucho tiempo para  escribir esto 

[Guest snow]

English? I don't speak Spanish nor any other language.

Edited March 7, 2014 by Jupiter-Prime

[alkanfel009]

English? I don't speak Spanish nor any other language.

So there for , google translator .

 

 

I agree in part, but I think it's not for methane have examples of sleeves are well known without a official dubbing in many countries , such as Gantz , Naruto , and others, that despite having an official dub neighborhoods countries , dubbing fans is much faster and masibo , I think for guyver is no impediment hitoria little knowledge of their masses , because despite everything is still a monster fight violence and face the world government cronos , few movies , have not been seen with a similar structure ,

 

take an example, the first film robocop , the main actor ba on a suit almost all pelícla , but the fact that it was the first was not for the precentar inpedimento a character like that is not hooked to the public , the same can be said of the Predator , Terminator , or movies like aliens , I even at the time the first movie of the ninja turtles ,

 

guyver the reason that the first film , live action did not work, or the script was , way too childish, unoriginal and was still fairly even if the events of the first volume guyver not change the fact that it was rather a very forgettable movie , the second means of going to the point of action and violence, and we're talking about a movie that had only a third of the capital of the original, we think that a new film for guyver , as deve check ,

 

1 Without choreographies martial arts

 

2 no pathetic moralistic issues like trying to be a symbol

 

3 perosnjes as the manga they are not stereotypes but adapted to its logical extention , illustration

 

( Shake guyver 3, if not carefully Yeban many associate it with a copy to batman )

 

4 understate the public and understand that it has to be a movie otherwise ® does not work,

 

5, and more importantly, no subplots in necessary

 

example, no romantic sub plot unnecessary ( mizuki , )

 

6 most important thing is to have raw action and eliminate gaps and failures that we all know of the manga , either have someone waiting to transform the other or attack sho common weapons fire when not using his armor to see that would have the effect , have sho practicing a little with his power guyver , small demonstrations to give the public that can be done,

 

well that's just my opinion

[*Jess♥]

it's not an authors responsibility to translate their work into a language they do not speak.

It's not in their interest as they are pressure by the publishing company to produce quality work by a deadline. 

[Guest snow]

First of all I'm starting my post about the Manga. It may not be the authors job, in Yoshiki's case, but he had no problem having it translated and adapted by American companies for Media purposes. It'd be a load of Bollocks if he there were reasons why he couldn't get his work Translated by someone within an international book company. I could make all kinds of examples . But, don't most Book Companies translate it for you before they go and sale it? I doubt Mark Twain could speak half a dozen languages but I bet I can go over to Japan and find one of his books in a Japanese Translation edition or whatever. I'm just saying Yoshiki doesn't have to speak English to have his work translated. Isn't called paying a percentage to someone within a company and signing some papers and than they go and have all that done and sign over the rights to his work. Who says he has to really work for them. He can just tell them he's interested in selling his Manga to his more hungry fans and making more profits. Not that he cares about his finances. I mean come on,its not like he's done it before. Ship off his work to America,Great Britain, the Middle East..etc. Than after a while the company makes a percentage and Yoshiki makes a percentage, he gets profit. Isn't that how most companies work? I mean,come on. If I wrote a popular best selling novel, I'd want it in every country and I would find a company to translate what I wrote. Doesn't it take money to make money? He had no problem having these Anime Corporations like ADV and Funimation look at his work and translate it, seriously. If the media can so can a book company. I mean look at Harry Potter. It was shipped off to many, many other countries in different languages and it was written by a woman living in government housing in London who didn't know any other language. I'm saying Yoshiki can pay someone to translate his work and sale it at a bigger radius, he certainly didn't have a problem with the media adapting it. I'm not trying to offend anyone, I just don't know why he hasn't done that. Maybe Yuki will know. I'd really like to know why he hasn't done much with his manga internationally. I really don't get it. We foreigners sure can have an English or any other language adaptation of Guyver,but when it comes to Manga. Nope. Not a single shred of it. We can buy it on Amazon and Ebay.....in Japanese text.....yay. So can someone explain to me why he hasn't done anything what so ever? I know the author writes it, but who publishes it and edits it and translates it? Oh yeah, I almost forgot...a book company. I mean his work is brilliant. Its just a pity that only every person in Japan can read it and some people who speak and read the language like Yuki. Just sucks for a lot of people. I get frustrated with the whole subject which is why this is my last post on it.

Edited March 10, 2014 by Jupiter-Prime

[*V Guyver]

 Each country has a licensing law and localization group. There is no umbrella group for translations. So when a book reaches certain nations, they first have to get a legal right to sell that comic, then they have to translate it, then they have to get past the standards of control/censoring process depending on that region.

 It all costs money and time, thus it's a hinderance. No one wants to translate if they can't make money off it. So if there is a decent fanbase, they won't bother unless the product has proven to be viable in other nations. So this is the issue with corporations. 
 Problem with unlicensed translations is that they can get sued, which is why you don't just see any group do so without licensing, what little profit they could of netted, get's lost in court. Even none-profit translations can be sued.
 
 Fans have the advantage of skipping over red tape, translating it for fellow fans, and fostering a following for that comic. Naruto wouldn't of come over here if not for those fan translators, who unfortunately are targeted by the licensed companies that do want to make a profit as it potentially cuts into profits. Fan translations are sometimes on par with professional translations, hence they can't even sell them as a better quality version at times.

Another point, is the language. japanese is not as widespread a English. Thus translating English to everything else is relatively easy thanks to it's abundance, and thankfully for the author of Harry potter, English just happens to the second most spoken language on the planet, so she never had to worry about language and translations issues. By the time they were needed, the books were already famous worldwide, thus demand was easy profitable, and all sequels got prompt international translations and releases barring a few delays due to some censoring by local governments. 

Overall, getting Japanese material translated for a Manga with a cult following is not so easy, nor profitable considering the hassle. Much of what I point out is also why some movies and videogames never get released, or outright banned at times. Culture and languages are not too much of a hassle, but when money is involved, it becomes a nightmare.