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Ah cool, thanks. Surname first it is. Thanks also for the images. But I seem to remember them differently. Oh wells, I'm sure I can make use of them. Additionally, I'd like to request for help with the episode guide: http://www.japan-legend.com/wiki/index.php?title=Guyver:_TV_Series I've remformatted the page, but I retained all elements of the old page, just added air dates, titles in both English and Japanese, episode credits, and I do hope you don't mind if I took the summary from wikipedia. Synopsis are one of my weak points, and I'll be glad if someone else would edit them. As for my request, I noticed that only episode 1 has the complete screenshots while the rest are blank. Do you still have the images for them? I liked the images since it also provides information about the screen cap.

I HATED Gerard Butler as the phantom. He always sang Mmmmmusic, again and again. The dragging of the M really got on my nerves. And they way Schumaker filmed it, especially the first trip down into the sub basements... it was such a waste. It was SO mechanical when it should have been magical. On stage, the candles arise from the fog/water, and it really feels like magic. In this movie, we have a camera on one end of the tunnel, stitch to the camera on the other, and presto candles lift from the water on cue and auto ignite. Everything was too crystal clear and shallow. If I could have done that scene, I would have had the camera follow them into the tunnel, go over their heads-spin around, and face them as they come out the other side. Switch to a camera mounted above the water, near the front of the boat as it passes-have a faint puff of rolling mist across the water, and slowly have the candelabras arise. The flames would slowly ignite-from different candle nubs at different intervals. And DON'T use a wide angle lens; the background must blur a little to get that magic feeling. Some things must be perfectly sharp, others slightly out of focus, and slowed down. This is Phantom of the Opera! Spectacle is EVERYTHING! Granted, I liked how they repositioned the chandelier scene, that was good. And the singing got way better after the chandelier. I loved the grave yard Well, to each his own then. Anyway, another music that I liked. This is from Gwen Stafani, something which has less angst compared to her other songs. Gwen Stafani - 4 in the morning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw9EXSY3hpE

By the way, I'd like to ask about the naming conventions for the characters. This is going to impact the names of the pages and I only realized it today. For character names, it was my practice to place the surname first before the given name, like "Fukamachi Shou". I have done it like this in the Masked Rider pages. I didn't get any comments on it so I paid no attention to it. Now I noticed that there are pages that starts with the given name first then followed by the surname, like "Tetsuro Segawa", though the page is still currently blank. Not to mention that Takaya's page was named as "Yoshiki Takaya". In the wiki, how should we put it? Should it be "Fukamachi Shou" or "Shou Fukamachi"? I think it would be better to establish this early on while there are still few pages than to rename the pages later on. Also might avoid repetitive pages.

I have also added a few more characters in the character section of the main guyver page. At the rate that we're going, perhaps later it might be a good idea to dedicate a single page to list all the characters. This way, even those pages that doesn't have a dedicated page will still get some highlights. Also, I seem to remember seeing mugshots of the zoalords in the guyverboard. I remember you guys having the title of each zoalord with their mugshots as your avatar. Will it be alright to ask for them? I plan to use them for the zoalords page. If I'm not mistaken, they are from the guyver volumes.

Made some changes to the main guyver page. I've divided the terminologies into bioboost and zoaforms. With a link to the zoaforms page with in-depth information. The information here was copied from the Advent Database, which I propose we should remove due to redundancy. I kept the art reference and amalgated them with the articles written in the Advent Database page. Additionally, the original guyverboard page about zoaforming: http://www.theguyver.net/guyver_datafiles/hierarchy/data_zoaforming.htm seems to have a lot of very useful information. Perhaps we can include the information there and move the zoanoid classes to their own page. I won't touch the Zoaforms page since you are currently working on them. And lastly, I tweaked the adaptations section. I've included some short information regarding the pages as opposed to simply listing the links.

Yes, excatly. And you wanted to transfer all those information to this board. Might take a little bit of time to finish all of it, but we'll get there. Right now, I think I could work on the hyper zoanoid page and incorporate all those that you have done in the old board. I'll also be adding some formatting of my own to add cohesion to the pages. Would you agree if we lose the current zoaform page and replace it with the ones you made in the guyverboard? edit: No, we should retain the zoaform page, but I suggest we split the zoanoids, hyper zoanoids, lost number and zoalords into their own pages. I have already created a page solely for Hyper Zoanoids. I just combined the information from the guyverboard pages. Hope this is okay.

Okay, this might be a little hard to keep track, but I've made edits on several pages. For one thing, I edited Takaya's page. I've expanded on what was written there and included some personal information like date of birth, birth place and added an improvised info box. Next, I edited the 12 holy commanders page. I now listed the 12 zoalords as well as the protozoalord, with short description of each of them (work in progress). I've also placed placeholders for their mugshots. I really didn't want to clutter the page with large pictures. I plan to link this as the zoalord page from the zoaform page. Then I edited the guyver systems page. The page were all the weapons of the guyver were listed? I added the guyvers, their height, weight and a short description. I think I would want to modify the format further, but I'm still thinking on how to improve on it more. The current weapons listing looks like a plain old list. I plan to categorize each weapons, and add a few images of said weapons. To spice up the page. I hope this would be alright. Feel free to revert all if not acceptable.

At the moment, I can't think of any images that I can add. But I would like to finish the Zoaforms page. I was thinking of reformatting the zoaform pages, giving the zoanoids, hyper-zoanoids, zoalords and lost numbers their own separate page. With the main page listing the notable zoanoids/hypers/lords that had significant impact on the story, and another listing all the zoanoids available (ala VDF). I think that since we are an in-depth source of information, they should deserve their own page instead of all them lumped into a single page. I think this was one of the issues that you needed help on, if I remember correctly. Additionally, perhaps we should merge the Zoalords page with the 12 holy commanders main page? Maybe I should tweak the 12 holy commanders page before I proceed with the Zoaforms page.

In terms of creativity, I don't think that it's a drop in quality but more in the increase of our own standards. If you continue to watch similar series, you'll eventually figure out the trend, and thus gets boring. I can site an example here using Final Fantasy. When FF6 was released, everyone was wowed by it. But when FF7 came out, old players dissed FF7 in favor of FF6, while new players were awe strucked by FF7. When FF8 came out, the same thing happened, old players of FF7 hated FF8 while new players loved FF8. I can you can say that this theory may also be applied in the Kamen Rider debate we had a few months back. link: http://www.japan-legend.com/forum/index.php/topic/2439-whats-wrong-with-todays-rider/ All media is prone to boredom if one continues to be exposed to it. also, the main chunk of the market consists of games/media sponsored by big companies, giving them so much exposure and hype, that when you actually see it, it's really not big a deal. In the end, it all comes down to advertising, with the major sponsor dictating how a media should be, thus, inputs are made in the board room instead of leaving the creative reins on the editorial. So, in effect, it's not really the fault of the writers, but the fault of their bosses who pays for them. This is why there are so many underrated games/media out there.

From that speech, I get the impression that it's blaming video games. True enough, video games of today are more reliant on sharp graphics rather than in-depth puzzles. Of course there are still a select video games out there with true story, but gone are the days where you actually need your wits to play a game. Games like Incredible Machine which requires logical thinking are no longer made. Only popular games like Halo, and any shooting games seems to be famous. Although intellect-wise they prove to be no challenge, research shows that children that play these games have improved reflex as well as hand and eye coordination.

Well, based on the discussions being made (well, it actually seems to be only the both of us), the navbox is approved? Since it's easy to edit, I'll just add the navbox to existing guyver pages. Also edited the Valcuria=>Valkyria and removed Mount minakami as it is the one and the same as relics point.

With the current trends of movie coming out of hollywood, I no longer expect something new from them. Instead, I see them as an avenue for lesser known series to reach out a wider audience range. One good example is Twilight. Before, they were just books written by Stephanie Mayer. With a small following around the world, now that the movie's come out, it became a phenomenon. You might say that one positive thing about Hollywood is that they can really hype things up. Before the Harry Potter movies came out, I have never heard of J.K. Rowling. And Tom Clancy was just some other author before Hunt for Red October was released. What I'm getting at here is that even though Hollywood has lost its ability to be creative (originallity-wise), they have evolved into a medium that would make an unknown famous.

Great song from the Phantom of the Opera. You just gotta love Gerard Butler. From singing as the Phantom to the great king Leonides who proclaims "This is Sparta!!." Now that's what you call talent. In response to that, I offer this song. This is one of my favorite part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHAauiJwwmU

It seems the video embedding was disable by youtube for that video.

Goodness. My sincerest apologies for this. I did not realize such carelessness on my part. Let me retract my statement as I was actually referring to "Hollywood" and not the "West". Please do forgive my inappropriate statements. I will no longer compare creativity from Hollywood to those of the "eastern" counterpart. But I will use Cannes Film Festival instead. Storywise, hollywood cannot compare to those movies being presented in the cannes film festival. These movies are made by unknown people and yet famous people laud these work. What I really hate about hollywood is that they don't know when to stop. They just keeps on milking series as long as people will continue to support them sacrificing the quality, thus the creativity issue. Usually, good creativity stems from unknown film makers trying to make a break into hollywood. Only a select few film makers maintain good creativity when their status rises. I will admit, Tim Burton never ceases to amaze me with his creativity. on the other hand, I never really did appreciate the works of M Night Shamalan. For me, if you've seen one of his movies, you've seen them all. But look at how many movies hollywood churns out in a year. With a number of subpar films coming out from hollywood, I would not question as to why people see this as lack of creativity.

Well, like Tales have provided, west copying east is very evident. But I'm not really that well informed of east copying west. (this is in terms of media only, fashion and the other stuff are quite evident). but using your example above, Sentai imitating marvel, were you refering to X-men? If so, I don't see the x-men wearing similar outfits with different colors and using weapons or giant robots. The east may imitate the general idea, but the west copies the whole thing. I give you example. Lakehouse starring Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock (believe it or not, I loved that movie). This movie was based on the korean film Il Mare. I'm not sure if you would understand this, but copying is somewhat different from imitating.

Actually, my point was that the west just simply copy, whilst the Japanese, even though they imitate, at least introduce something new that would make them seem original. I guess you could say that this is where the pioneering habits of the Japanese comes in.

Well, if the written english in the book says its Valkyria, who are we to argue? Also, is Mount Minakami and Relics point one and the same? I can't seem to remember well. Anyway, it's easy to edit so no biggie.

When did the west ever get creative? All they ever do is copy.

I've decided to initially make a guyver navbox. Based on the first suggestions I've made. Of course I think we should iron out first the navbox before we put it to use. I'm also thinking of using this instead of the zoalord navbox once things are ironed out. Because we would need to reformat some of the pages to be able to link them properly. see link here: http://japan-legend.com/wiki/index.php?title=Template:Guyver_navbox I'm sure there are a lot of stuff that I wasn't able to include. Feel free to mercilessly edit.

Oh My! My apologies, I did not realize that you were using anchors for that page. In any case, the page now looks much better and easier to edit.

Phew, took me a good while to edit the synopsis page. I've cleaned up a lot of the formatting and included the Japanese titles for each volumes. I can say that the synopsis page now looks more reader friendly. With regards to the ISBN, I'm not sure how we can link it to the merchandise page right now, since the merchandise page only lists what came out when with no further information. I think we should keep the ISBN as is and link it to the particular merchandise on the merchandise page. However, we will need to rework the merchandise page to make the ISBN link practical, like containing sites where that particular item may be purchased, dimensions, weight, etc. Again, I'm not equipped to take on this task as I have absolutely little to no merchandise relating to guyver. But don't worry, I think we will get to that part eventually. Let's just think macro and work on it one small step at a time. Hey, this is kinda fun.

Well, I've re-configured the guyver synopsis page. (hope nobody minds). It now includes placeholders for information like release dates and ISBN number for the japanese and english release, as well as the title for the books. Also added chapters that are not yet in full volume, although the chapter numbering might need a little correction. All that's left to do now is to fill up the missing information. I'm still thinking if I should link the chapters to the page of each book. Like clicking on chapter 10 will link you to the summary of chapter 10 on the book 2 page. You know, using the "#" reference. But the page for each books needs a little more work. A task that I am not equipped to do since I have never read any of those chapters. Will continue to work on this to further improve the overall presentation.

Well, I've added the publication history as well as other characters. I'll continue to update this as time permits me. Also, should we keep what's written on the terminologies refering zoanoids as a piece of paper? I find it funny, yet somehow it kinda relates to the relation of the zoaforms. And zoalord as Michael Angelo of the Sistine Chapel?

I just added a few short descriptions for characters, just to start the ball rolling. As well as place holders should other people want to create pages for said characters. Also, I'm thinking of fixing the guyver synopsis page, just to make the page look coherent. Additionally, should we have editing guidelines for the guyver page in terms of formatting and content? Having different people work on different pages would have some pages somewhat inconsistent. I also noticed that the zoalord pages contain spoilers. Perhaps a warning tag may be in order? With the volumous amounts of information that will be put into this project, I'm still thinking on a navbox for the guyver pages, similar to that of the zoalord navbox.