chapter Guyver May 2014

[Bio-Boosted Dude]

I wonder if Sho can alter how he uses the control medal to accept outside interference/force? That could explain how they are able to share and exchange power.

[*guyverfan]

i need to use g1's energy!

 

this is HHHHHOOOOORRRRSSSSEEEEEEE SSSSHHHHIIIITTTTT!!!!

 

    , i'm going to need to sleep for acouple days straight to wrap my head around this.

 

 

[Enzyme-eternal]

So Aptom is a power-up now...ok.  The Quadris (is that what it's called?) can regenerate pretty quick, that's cool.  I wonder if we'll finally start getting some answers about Apollon, so far we know he's an ass kicker and he's actually a nice guy...maybe.

[Guest snow]

I would like to know who Apollon is, Its been a huge mystery. Its almost like Yoshiki has uped the stakes for mysterious since Agito when people didn't know who Guyver 3 was almost some 30 years ago. I guess Yoshiki wants his fans to stay tuned so they find out.

Edited March 29, 2014 by Jupiter-Prime

[*V Guyver]

Why do people keep saying it was a megasmasher combo!????

It WASN'T!

The breatplates weren't open.

Aptom is covering Guyver I, not merging with him or interfacing with the CM.

This is something Aptom can do anyway irrespective of covering Guyver I.

may I suggest...

if we think about how the megasmsher works or how we think it works, it accelerates particles by use of those funny round organelles inside the lenses. now, while the megasmasher is a particle cannon and accelerates particles by using the lenses, could it not use the mechanism to accelerate the ice blast through use of whatever energy and forces it uses? in that scenario, we may be able to call it a combo whilst not being a full fusion?

That's what i was thinking, that one of the only areas the Guyver has a big obvious source of energy that could be interfaced with and is actually accessible. Sho might of allowed his chest plate to open enough that Aptom can slide some of his body into it to draw upon energy. I think it's the case since Aptom can produce more body heat than the Guyver (Derzerb's DNA folks) so that's not a potent energy source. The only other option is the control medal, but we have yet to see any ability between thosetwo to use it as an energy source. 

[Lord Uziel]

I think that aptom cannot absorb Sho bioarmor. Do you remember what happend to the "fake sho" generated from his arm? It tried to absorb the guyver but the control medal didn't allow it. in my opinion it will happen the same in case of aptom cells. they will be rejected. Only Sho, a conscious and alert Sho, can allow aptom to envelop his guyver and also use it's energy. the control medal controlled guyver (as was during enyme 2 fight) is a warmachine focused only to protect its host.

[Super Existence]

Hmm, a bit of a dodgy turn of events for me, utilising G1's energy... come on... that's weak for me. Very weak.

[Aether]

surely only on  biologically could the two be interfacing for aptom to be siphoning energy from Sho efficiently enough to power a technique like that ? if they aren't combined and aptom isnt using shos biology in a process to take that energy then wtf?

unless Aptom was using sho as his own '' boost dimension'' for himself somehow?... but even then seeing as he is external to sho - as in he is wrapped around him rather than combined with him, surely the only thing he could absorb would be either ki or heat ? and I don't think takaya works with ki in the guyver universe.

3 obvious scenarios then...

1. Sho and Aptom are still existing separately , aptom wrapped around G1
2. Sho and Aptom are a new combined biological entity thus allowing Aptom acess to sho's power
3. Sho and Aptom are still existing separately but joined cellularly in certain areas if necessary

about aptom being rejected by the guyvers biology against invasion I think Lord Uziel maybe correct in his post above, saying ...

 

Only Sho, a conscious and alert Sho, can allow aptom to envelop his guyver and also use it's energy.

and if that is the case then we can rule out Aptom ever all of a sudden reverting back to old aptom and exacting revenge on sho , because he could do that the instance sho let him into the guyvers biology in this scenario.

in short I dont know and im rambling


oh also to touch on what Sully said...

I don't think it could work the opposite way i.e guyver using Aptoms power as I reckon the boost creature would just either go berserk or try to make a new entity from them both or devour Aptom (or at least try - which brings up the age old question - who would win between aptom and the guyver organism??)

 

Edited March 30, 2014 by Aether

[*guyverfan]

ok, slept on it.

 

now, considering that aptom is actually just wrapped around sho, the only way i can think of aptom being able to use G1s' energy is if sho is able to channel it to aptom from the boost dimension through using the gravity orb on his waist.

 

hang on, let me try and make it clearer.

 

sho is able to draw on energy from the boost dimension using the gravity orb on his waist. the energy is accumulated externally(around the orb), whereby aptom is able to absorb it(energy) and convert it into the type of energy needed to expand and increase the intensity of his biofreeze blast.

 

now, remembering that the biofreeze blasters on aptoms chest is his own as he has used it before when in his original new form, not wrapped around sho.

[Aether]

nice one... i'll buy it, just to save myself a headache!

[*Jess♥]

firstly, I want to point out the potential for shou's response to be misunderstood.

depending on what the original japanese word was, (I haven't checked) Shou may simply be saying "okay" and then concurrently supplying the energy that aptom needs.

 

secondly I want to point out that the guyver has power amps and energy amps.

we know that the guyver can use these things to increase the mass of it's punches and kicks. this suggests these organs work by using fields. it's not infeasible that should could extend the field beyond the guyvers physical body and amplify aptoms energy.

if the energy amps are amplifying energy by transferring energy from th boost dimension and using that to enhance an existing reservoir of potential energy or energy currently being transferred, then in that sense, aptom would be using guyvers energy.

[Larz Zahn]

If you notice, Aptom altered the crystals or gems on his chest to the bio freezers apparatus.

[Larz Zahn]

I had forgotten about the energy amps on the body. Still not fond of anyone other than the Guyver itself tapping into said energy. I really wouldnt think that a host could control his body to that extent. That sorta stuff sounds like a involuntary action to me...

Edited March 30, 2014 by Larz Zahn

[river_chaos]

......*blink*.......that's it? THAT'S FRIGGIN IT?!!! 

 

I go camping for a week and come back to an anti-climatic chapter!  AAARRRGGHH!

[Super Existence]

Go back to the woods, you were better off there...

[*Jess♥]

I had forgotten about the energy amps on the body. Still not fond of anyone other than the Guyver itself tapping into said energy. I really wouldnt think that a host could control his body to that extent. That sorta stuff sounds like a involuntary action to me...

Isn't that the whole point though? Shou have shown an ability to do amazing things with his strong willpower. Things such as creating the gigantic. creating XD.

[Lord Uziel]

I completely agree with Yuki.

[LordSpleach]

Go back to the woods, you were better off there...

 

Only if she finds a Guyver Unit.

[Guest snow]

I would like to see Aptom get as powerful as the gigantic some day. Its cool that he and Sho are working together. I remember when Aptom from early on in the series, Aptom and Sho weren't exactly fond of one another. But its funny to see that they are working together now. I'm glad because I really like Aptom and would have been disappointed to see him get wacked by Sho or Agito. So glad he made a come back and learned the error of his ways and liked how Yoshiki showed how he and his friends/comrades were victims of Chronos undergoing sick experiments because they wouldn't optimize correctly. Aptom finally starts getting some pay back.

[Larz Zahn]

I'm ok with Sho having extraordinary control over the Guyver, like a regular person stopping their heart our make themselves quit breathing. But for allowing Aptom access to the Guyvers genetics, i see that like a normal person trying to control his brain to make an arm grow, or accelerate hair growth. I'll have a hard time if this is the truth of it.

[LordSpleach]

The control medal should be able to give Sho the ability to control his armor in such a fashion.

 

If not, I don't think we would've had the Gigantic if the first place.

[durendal]

I think the Gigantic would be a different matter, since it is a combination of the navigational sphere, Ark as well as Shou's imagination.  I'm leaning towards that the control medal having a defined limit on how much it can be customized.

I'm starting to think that with Shou having acquired the Navigational sphere and the cells of the Ark, the gigantic has somehow turned into the Deus Ex Machina.  Unlike before, although we are fascinated by what the G-unit can do, it is still confined to certain limits.

[LordSpleach]

The navigational spheres totally made the Gigantic, but Sho's control medal did initiate the process.

 

But what are the limits of the control medal itself?

 

If the control medal is a processor of not only biological regulation but of mental functions as well, is transferring energy to Aptom(which IMO was probably from the Gravity Controller since info materials usually reference that a main power source) really that far-fetched?