The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

[jerrygoodman]

"So what's our plan?"

"So...no plan."

[durendal]

Very nice to see two of Caps best buds hanging out.  At the end of Endgame, we officially see Sam taking on the mantle, but I don't see him lugging around that shield.  Carrying that shield is indeed complicated.  We do see someone dressed up as Captain America, could this be John Walker?

As bad as 2020 is, at least there is something to look forward to in 2021.

[Salkafar]

Sam doesn't need the shield - his wings already fill that role very well, as we saw in "Civil War".

And I think I already heard that we are indeed going to see John Walker, which makes perfect thematic sense. We also saw a flash of Helmut Zemo, I think.

[jerrygoodman]

Yeah, we are gonna have US Agent on the show.  He's gonna be played by Kurt Russell's son, I believe.

[Salkafar]

Now THIS is the show MODOK really belongs in.

[jerrygoodman]

So...who would like to start?
 

 

[jerrygoodman]

"A sorcerer is a wizard without a hat!"

 

[durendal]

Hahaha, I love their banter.  We now leave the feels zone and move on to the action zone.

[jerrygoodman]

 

[durendal]

You know, I have a feeling that we'll get more chuckles than action in this series.  Just like marvel, releasing a trailer that's just a snippet of the trailer they previously released.  With all the secrecy, one just cannot help but expect something explosive.

[jerrygoodman]

Almost feels like Lethal Weapon, but with superheroes.

Me, I can't wait to see how Zemo turns out in this series...

[Tora Tan]

I wasn't interested in this to be honest, but these two clips have changed my mind.
Finally see something intriguing with the characters, how they talk to each other and how their relationship will evolve.

[H222G981]

On 12/13/2020 at 1:01 PM, jerrygoodman said:

Yeah, we are gonna have US Agent on the show.  He's gonna be played by Kurt Russell's son, I believe.

I love the suit and the similarities it has to Captain America's.

 

I wanted to see this show from the first time I saw it advertised. 

[jerrygoodman]

That shield represents a lot of things to a lot of people...

 

[durendal]

Wow, that's something new.  Funny banter aside, the plot looks very interesting.

[Tora Tan]

I don't understand how Falcon is able to catch a shield that embedded itself in a tree.  is he a super soldier too?
I don't really recall much about him, but I don't recall him going in a pressure chamber of any kind.

[H222G981]

3 minutes ago, Tora Tan said:

I don't understand how Falcon is able to catch a shield that embedded itself in a tree.  is he a super soldier too?
I don't really recall much about him, but I don't recall him going in a pressure chamber of any kind.

The shield is made of vibranium making it extremely light and the shield often times defies physics and logic as stated by Peter Parker in Civil War. 

The Physics of Captain America's Shield

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While Captain America may not have superpowers like Superman, his iconic shield certainly does. It is supposedly indestructible, able to completely absorb the kinetic energy of any impact.

 

Edited March 16, 2021 by Jupiter
Adding link.

[durendal]

5 hours ago, Jupiter said:

The shield is made of vibranium making it extremely light and the shield often times defies physics and logic as stated by Peter Parker in Civil War. 

The Physics of Captain America's Shield

 

 

I do agree with Tora about the logic behind Falcon catching the Shield.  I mean logically speaking, if the shield can embed itself into a tree, how could a human hand be able to catch it straight?  The shield can actually lop off a head with it's sharp edges.  Even as a super soldier, it's nigh impossible not to get hurt just catching it.  Unless you use some kind of device to safely catch it.  Attributable perhaps to comics physics?   Seriously though, if it is possible for Steve Rogers to catch it, it is doable by any ordinary person.  You just have to notice that while Steve catches it using one hand, Sam Wilson needs to use both hands.

[H222G981]

14 hours ago, durendal said:

 

I do agree with Tora about the logic behind Falcon catching the Shield.  

 

What can I say?  The shield itself has no logic. It simply does what it wants. It's been doing that since Cap got it. 

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A Sub-Trope of Throwing Your Sword Always Works and Improbable Use of a Weapon, a shield is thrown at a target. Varies from just hitting to slicing.

Throwing Your Shield Always Works - TV Tropes

 

 

Edited March 17, 2021 by Jupiter
Just finishing up things.

[Tora Tan]

17 hours ago, durendal said:

 

 You just have to notice that while Steve catches it using one hand, Sam Wilson needs to use both hands.

Oh!!! I did not notice!! now that makes more sense!!!
See, I always wondered... how could anyone hope to succeed Cap... he was so strong and so agile and all of that.  I don't consider Cap to be "the shield" or "a symbol" he was a man with extraordinary abilities and a pure heart. You cannot replace that.

Edited March 17, 2021 by Tora Tan

[durendal]

6 hours ago, Tora Tan said:

Oh!!! I did not notice!! now that makes more sense!!!
See, I always wondered... how could anyone hope to succeed Cap... he was so strong and so agile and all of that.  I don't consider Cap to be "the shield" or "a symbol" he was a man with extraordinary abilities and a pure heart. You cannot replace that.

Yes!!! That's why Erskine chose him!  You can make anyone into a Super Soldier, but there is only one Captain America.  

 

10 hours ago, Jupiter said:

 

What can I say?  The shield itself has no logic. It simply does what it wants. It's been doing that since Cap got it. 

Throwing Your Shield Always Works - TV Tropes

 

 

Lol!  Magical Frisbee.

[durendal]

Well, I watched all 6 episodes of this and I am a bit disappointed.  Although it was enjoyable, the plot was a bit predictable.  Even my wife, who has never read any marvel comics, was able to predict who the power broker is.  It felt "meh" to me.  Good thing I ignored all the fan theories, otherwise I would have been sorely disappointed.  I was expecting some kind of build up, but it just wasn't there.  Perhaps I missed it?

[Tora Tan]

I never followed any discussion about this show. I just took it as it came. I had no idea about the power broker, I though it was already established who the character was and that bucky already know who it was and had met them before. then when that guy appeared, I assumed he was the power broker due to how the other characters talked to him.

after wandavision hinted many things but there was not really a big payoff, I decided not to get too embroiled or excited with any of this, and tried not to theorycraft.

[Salkafar]

[Larz Zahn]

I loved the 1st half, but the second part fizzled out for me. Especially the racial message in it. I get its a big part in American culture, and by using the 2nd supersoldier (whos name escapes me) they were able to address it in a way that was easy to watch. 

 

Watching John walkers decent to looney town was the best part for me. I was really wanting him to be unhinged. Totally didn't se them killing black star tho,(he was second bucky in comics).

 

Fun fact, 616 shield is actually a super adamantium(?) alloy that the recipe is lost to the ages. (If memory serves Its so super heavy that it took someone with strength and skill to catch and use it.)

I never liked the bland... its a vibranium sheild origin. 

 

You can see Steve's reaction when the winter soldier caught the shield. His expression was like, "that wasn't suppose to happen..."