Latest Guyver story (Spoilers ahead)

[guyverfanatic]

Isn't this the first time Aptom's faced the Libertus though? I guess ya have a point though, Agito's pet scientist was once one of Chronos' top researchers, so it is possible they might have Anti-Aptom enzymes on top of all those other wild abilities of theirs, guess we'll have to wait and see.

It wouldn't be as interesting if he just absorbed them... They need to give Aptom a good fight!

[Zoaknight]

Zoaknight wrote:Isn't this the first time Aptom's faced the Libertus though? I guess ya have a point though, Agito's pet scientist was once one of Chronos' top researchers, so it is possible they might have Anti-Aptom enzymes on top of all those other wild abilities of theirs, guess we'll have to wait and see.

Guyverfanatic wrote: It wouldn't be as interesting if he just absorbed them... They need to give Aptom a good fight!

Good points, but I guess it all depends on how far along Zeus Thunderbolt zoatech really is, or if its possible to produce anti-aptom enzymes without samples of Aptom or access to whatever data Chronos has on his Zoaform. I personally think these Libertus won't last too long against Aptom if they lack protection against his absorption powers, and Aptom is more powerful than ever after absorbing all those zoanoids from the battle against Khan (I think he absorbed some of Khan's DNA too, he's like Zoalord level powered now).

Also, while the Libertus have proven extremely effective against even hyper zoanoids, part of their success comes from Griselda's presence during battle, healing them and using her mental powers to confuse and/or control the Chronos zoanoids. Since Griselda is at the mansion watching Sho's friends with her own squad of Libertus, the one's fighting Aptom are on their own.

If the libertus lack anti-aptom enzymes, then their best bet for keeping Aptom out of Agito's way while he fights Sho would be to switch into their self-destruct mode and blow Aptom to bits with a massive combined explosion (which would at least force Aptom to take time to regenerate if he didn't shield himself or escape the blast in time).

[Sully]

thing is I wonder if Aptom would want to absorb them. They burn up too quickly, only have a 2 year at most lifespan. This might be a zoanoid Aptom is better off not absorbing and he might know it (he has a sense of zoa-forms simular in a way to Zoalords).

[Zoaknight]

Sully wrote: thing is I wonder if Aptom would want to absorb them. They burn up too quickly, only have a 2 year at most lifespan. This might be a zoanoid Aptom is better off not absorbing and he might know it (he has a sense of zoa-forms simular in a way to Zoalords).

You mean there's a possibility that if Aptom absorbs the Libertus he may intake their shortened lifespans along with their advanced powers and features? I always figured he took the best features out of his zoanoid prey and made them better (like during that time he first fought Sho with his new powers and demonstrated he'd augmented Gregole's brute strength and Vamore's Bio-Lasers to the point at which they were a viable threat to the Guyver?). I guess I mean I thought he'd take on the Libertus' better features, make them better, and weed out any weaknesses and defects, especially with his high level of regenerative properties.

If your suspicion is true though, then I can understand now why Agito thought his zoanoid storm troopers could handle Aptom if he believes/knows Aptom can't absorb them without taking on their defects.

[Sully]

Aptom has being trapped before by absorbing something bad (the cloaking Zoanoid for exmaple). So wouldn't be the first time and wouldn't be the last if Libertus's short life spam became his.

[gelionlegends]

Thats true as what does the Libertus have that Aptom would want really.

So most likely aptom will just have a big ass fight, maybe the libertus have some sort of missle with anti-aptom enzymes in to weaken him, so these libertus are specially made to either delay him or take him out.

That and i think aptom may have taken some of kahns zoalord dna in so maybe has some telepathy or such that maybe to draining to use so he could test it out on them to see what he can do with it.

Though then again he could have kahns ability to merge and create giant aptom?

[Matt Bellamy]

http://www.japan-legend.com/forum/index.php/topic/5501-guyver-chapter-180-january-2011/page__view__getnewpost?s=9666224fbca826928caaa4dac5335a57

Agito confirmed to have his own Gigantic armor! Now the real fight begins!

Guyver Gigantic vs Gigantic Dark!

[Destroyer Guyver]

Okaaay there goes the neighborhood

[Sully]

Yup, though looks like we've to wait 2 months to find out what happens next. Next month is a break for Takaya :/

Really looking forward to seeing how this all plays out.

[Zoaknight]

Two Gigantics duking it out? Dear lord, the potential for destruction if their fight makes it into populated areas will be incalculable! Let us hope that Agito doesn't have what it takes to Exceed like Sho or else the planet is pretty much screwed

Also, in regards to Agito's accusations of Sho having not grown up, I'd say HE'S the one who really needs to grow up . At any rate, its definitely do or die time since there's no way Sho can allow a power mad creep like Agito to run around doing as he pleases with a Gigantic Upgrade on him

BTW, I find it fascinating that when a Guyver uses a Gigantic upgrade the control medal records the data needed to make another one (possibly something that could come into play in the fanfics)

[Guyver_Astray]

http://www.japan-legend.com/forum/index.php/topic/5501-guyver-chapter-180-january-2011/page__view__getnewpost?s=9666224fbca826928caaa4dac5335a57

Agito confirmed to have his own Gigantic armor! Now the real fight begins!

Guyver Gigantic vs Gigantic Dark!

This...probably won't end well.

[*zeo]

This...probably won't end well.

Given Agito's obsession, probably not... Though I think Agito is still under estimating Sho but I wouldn't put it past Agito to have an alterior motive... Like perhaps he wants Sho to show him how he went Exceed?

But his ambition to rule the world may indeed want him to prove once and for all which of them are the better...

[Zoaknight]

Given Agito's obsession, probably not... Though I think Agito is still under estimating Sho but I wouldn't put it past Agito to have an alterior motive... Like perhaps he wants Sho to show him how he went Exceed?

But his ambition to rule the world may indeed want him to prove once and for all which of them are the better...

Yeah, Agito's confidence was shaken by how Sho's will proved too much for him to overwhelm like before, he'd always seen Sho as a weakling compared to himself, a disposable pawn with no real potential, never suspecting even for a second that he may one day prove to be a viable threat to his plans for conquest (i.e. didn't expect his attempt to cut him off from the Cocoon & leave him and the others to their fate to backfire on him).

Agito has instigated this fight to heal his bruised ego and prove to himself he's still better than Sho, and probably plans to kill him so that he'll be the one and only Guyver Gigantic on the planet...Though I think that very same ego of his is gonna cost him this fight in the end, Sho has more riding on this battle than his pride or ambition, he has friends to protect and a goal to fulfill, namely defeating Chronos & freeing the world from its grip.

On another note, it'll be interesting to see if the Zoalords will get involved at any point. Sin is watching for now to see what will happen, but if he sees an opportunity to take out/capture both Guyvers while they are weakened from fighting each other he just may go for it.

[Juggernought]

The one thing i am wondering is if it is possible to alter the design of the gigantic. Like how Sho wanted the power to defeat Alkanphel, I wonder if Agito used his will to encourage the relic control spheres to make a unit that was capable of defeating another gigantic. If so, he'd have a trump card up his sleeve. Even if he is aware of the Exceed option that Sho has available, i doubt he'd give Sho the time to power up like that.

[*zeo]

The one thing i am wondering is if it is possible to alter the design of the gigantic.

To the limits of the technology... yes... But it's likely that Sho already pushed its abilities to the max and more likely Agito may just want to know how he went Exceed. Thinking most likely that Sho's lack of killer instinct gives him the advantage and once he can match Sho for power then he can eliminate him.

[guyverfanatic]

It'll interesting to see how this plays out...

[OnyxPhoenix]

Gigantic vs. Gigantic. All I can say is...

WHOOOAAAAAA, MOMMMMMA !

The desire to rule versus the desire to protect something precious. Now, there's a quandry for ya.

[Guyver_Astray]

Thinking on it, if the rest of the Zoalords were to know where the two are now located, wouldn't they possibly come in with a large force to try and take them out completely? Even come in themselves?

[OnyxPhoenix]

yeah, Guyver_Astray, the zoalords could try and make their worst enemies dead, but in hindsight, would ticking off two Gigantic Guyvers really be in their best interests?

(possible excerpt)

(Sho) What the!? Zoanoids!? Not now! NOT NOW! (Sho's Control Medal flares even as his head laser lances out and slices several Zoanoids into pieces)

(Agito) Chronos!? You dare interrupt this fight!? (Agito's Gigantic exhaust ports blast out excess gases in furious bursts as his Pressure Cannon begins to blaze from his hands into the Zoanoid horde)

(Sho) You took my family! You hurt my friends! And now, you come here to attack me during this!? That's enough from you! THAT'S ENOUGH! (Sho flies off into battle against the incoming Zoanoids, but mentally sends a msg to Agito) // We are not done here, Agito. You hurt either Tetsuro or Mizuki while this is going on, and you will pay. Gigantic or not, you will pay. // (moments later, Sho is surrounded by his Gravity Ram charge and blazes through another legion of Zoanoids, then turns and looks back at Agito, his eyes glowing with his intent)

(Agito) // For now, Fukamachi. For now. //

??? Maybe....

[Zoaknight]

If the Zoalords are smart they'll wait til either both Guyver Gigantics are weakened from battle or one destroys the other before launching an all out attack against the victor. A big enough force of zoanoids led by one or better yet more Zoalords would be able to finish off an exhausted Guyver 1 or 3.

Edited January 13, 2011 by Guest

[OnyxPhoenix]

Most likely true, Zoaknight, but given the track record for Chronos in killing off Guyvers, and past battle experience, do u think that Sho or Agito would really be unprepared to such a trick? Doubtful in my mind, but I see your point. Still, we are still only guessing as to how long Sho and Agito can truly remain in their Gigantic forms. If they truly draw so much power from the boost dimension, which has infinite energy to use, won't they eventually find a method to overcome any current shortcomings? I think so. That's my two cents.

[Zoaknight]

Well, Sho will probably be alright being the hero of the story and all, but it wouldn't surprise me if after all this time Agito finally gets offed by a Zoanoid or Zoalord after Sho epically beats the crap out of him but spares his life and leaves him to wallow in defeat after being humbled by him for the second time (only to have a Chronos operative happen upon the weaken and beaten Agito and finish him off).

[McAvoy]

I wonder why Agito's own Gigantic unit came out of the cocoon to merge with him as opposed to the usual way of going inside the cocoon. Maybe a way of saying something is different while similar to Sho's? Maybe it's not exaxctly like Sho's perhaps limited or even designed to Guyver 3's own liking perhaps?

Missed opportunity though of a different look for Gigantic Dark though.

Well this changes things for the fanfic if you can create a Gigantic unit out of scratch with navigation spheres....

[Juggernought]

Well could be that this way it projects a more aggressive nature of Agito to be bold and forward, while Sho is more reserved and focused on protection.

And maybe Agito had managed to steal some pieces of a relic and stashed them away for this reason. Or, maybe the spheres can actually regrow a relic much like a guyver's control medal but Agito ordered it to create another gigantic instead.

[Sully]

Well this changes things for the fanfic if you can create a Gigantic unit out of scratch with navigation spheres....

Best to leave that to the Fan-Fic section to chat about. If you guys want to make a new topic there I've no problems but I like to keep this area clear of fic topics and chats.

Well could be that this way it projects a more aggressive nature of Agito to be bold and forward, while Sho is more reserved and focused on protection.

And maybe Agito had managed to steal some pieces of a relic and stashed them away for this reason. Or, maybe the spheres can actually regrow a relic much like a guyver's control medal but Agito ordered it to create another gigantic instead.

Acording to the translation it's simple why Gigantic Dark wasn't turned into something new. Agito's control medal had the information stored within it needed to convert the Nav sphere into a Gigantic. It gained this information thanks to Guyver 1 and even locked out from ever using Sho's Gigantic again, thanks to having this information that is all Agito needed to get what he wanted.

As for the bio-material I don't think that is important to the Control Medal of the Nav speare in the grand scheme of things and once given the needed information it can trigger a growth. It also had Guyver 3's own body to work from. At most that is all it needed and time. Which Agito had as this is based 6 months after the fall of Arizona.