Preview - Day 6 of 7 Days

[Juggernought]

Plus i don't think even this universe creators has the level of technology that is present in the clan ship...yet

[McAvoy]

Well the two technologies that we know they do know have and the only ones we are aware of right now is the Warrior unit and the Matrix.

The Matrix is far too advanced for them but given time they'll figure it out. Whereas the Creators are maybe a step or two behind that of the technology used in the Warrior unit. Examples is the cloned unit Warrior Guyver 5, the 19th clone unit so far. They were able to recreate a near identical one, which suggests all it would take it for a detailed scan of an intact Warrior Guyver control medal. Then they have the created from scratch version which is the Warrior Guyver 4. A unit which was created by nothing to a working prototype. However again, it is weaker and possesses no powerful shields.

All in all, the Creator would need very little time with a working (even damaged) Warrior Guyver unit to fully figure out what they are missing from their own attempt at recreating the Warrior Guyver unit. However, the fact that they have not done this yet suggests a sort of respect for Earth. I mean who would care after Warrior Guyver's mission was complete in defeating the Guyver Zoalord and therefore the Time Paradox was complete, to go back to Earth and recapture all of the prototype Warrior Guyvers unit and maybe even the final prototype as well?

I think the Creators in this universe are good friends with the human race unliek WG2's and protecting Earth from the Grakkens along with preventing the Grakkens from getting extremely advanced Creator technology remains in character for them.

Hell, they helped out the humans during the Battle of New York City in Part 4 of All Things.

[Juggernought]

True.. the Mrk II technology as well would not be completely out of their understanding once they figure out the full base of the warrior tech.

[*zeo]

Hell, they helped out the humans during the Battle of New York City in Part 4 of All Things.

Well, Dreadnought teleporting them there might have had something to do with that

Let's just say they have an invested interest...

[McAvoy]

Well the fact they helped out instead of leaving or attacking the city shows something.

[Frost]

Do you think there is a Mark 2 upgrader in the clanship? what if Zeus used it on himself would the power level inscrease be significant?

The Creators or rather Kullnar are much good natured compared to their WG2 universe counterparts at the moment they are just trying to develop the Warrior tech..

[McAvoy]

There might be a possibility of a Mk. II upgrade on there somewhere or it could be on the other half in WG2's universe.

If Zeues was upgraded by Mk. II, there would be two version of him. Either his base form would be upgraded which would match Guardian's power. As Zeus II, he would be 1,600 men base, and 2,000 men max with a Bio Doubler max. of 4,000 men. A full blown Mk. II enhanced Zeus which means he is upgraded with the Zeus armor which is possible for the Mk. II upgrade, would be 2,200 men with a max. of 2,600 men and a Bio Doubler max. of 5,200 men. Basiclly he would easily take take on Dreadnought.

The WG universe Creators are definitely friends of the humans, until we have outgrown our usefullness whenever and if that happens. I doubt they'll try to commit genocide though like WG2's Creators.

[*zeo]

Well the fact they helped out instead of leaving or attacking the city shows something.

It wasn't like they had a choice, they were surrounded by Grakken and fact is they did leave as soon as they could. They didn't stick around for any pleasantries.

Not to mention Earth is still suppose to be off limits to them yet they still find time to run experiments on humans and a few zoaforms. Each of which they plan on killing when they are done. Yeah, that sounds real friendly.

On the plus side Jason did save their collective butts when he defeated the Guyver Zoalord, so they consider him in high regard but that doesn't mean they really care about the rest of humanity.

Like Enforcer Prime would rather sacrifice himself or even Guyver 4 rather than harm Jason but as you may notice he has no compunction about killing anyone else that threatens Guyver 4, so he clearly has no orders not to harm other Earthlings.

[Frost]

So like what are their views on Dreadnought? i cant recall.. but did he go and have a chat with Kullnar in his new form?

[*zeo]

Jason is essentially a hero to the Creators, which isn't surprising considering they owe him their very existence.

And there is a reason why the Earth is still off limits to the Creators, though it is a reason known only to a select few of the Creator council, which Krullnar is not privy to.

Though Krullnar was unwittingly instrumental in the Creation of Dreadnought by giving Jason the War Relic, though he planned to blow it up right afterward. But he hasn't talked to Jason since so no, Krullnar hasn't spoken with Dreadnought yet.

[McAvoy]

The Creators are allies to the humans like for instance the Asgard is to the Humans in StarGate SG-1 are. But it is better than the relationship the WG2's humans have with the Creators.

The only thing that we have about Krullnar's reaction to Dreadnought is in Assassin Guyver's second story when he first appeared. It was basically suprise and pretty much nothing else.

[*zeo]

I can safely say the Creators in the WG universe relationship with humanity is most definitely not like that of the Asgards of Stargate SG-1. The Asgards would never experiment with human life.

But yes it is better than the relationship with the WG2 Creators, as they never had to face the Guyver Zoalord and thus owed humanity nothing.

[thanosfan82586]

I can safely say the Creators in the WG universe relationship with humanity is most definitely not like that of the Asgards of Stargate SG-1. The Asgards would never experiment with human life.

But yes it is better than the relationship with the WG2 Creators, as they never had to face the Guyver Zoalord and thus owed humanity nothing.

Well Loki (in the episode Fragile Balance)did do experiments with humans, but what he was doing couldn't even begin to compare with the Creators.

[Frost]

Simply put they owe us for saving their butts and they need Earth to experiment / test their new units..

[Aranor]

They owed the humans until the point which the task was completed. Now that their existance is saved they owe nothing. They knew the one who would become the warrior Guyver would save them, the entity had no choice as the task had already been done. Without dissuasion and intervention, allowing things to go as they would, all they had to do was wait. Now that the sweet is wiped from their brows they can continue to do as they please. with some resistance of course.

While the thought of Jason saving them might bring feelings of you owe us one. The creators are resposible for the human race being as it is. In their minds their subjects might owe them their existance.

[McAvoy]

I agree which brings the question why is the Creators holding back from full blown testing on the humans again?

[Frost]

Maybe they are cautious that even though Jason has returned from the time war and saved them,the balance or some vital element may get out of place? by the way can a person use a mark 2 uprade on his base unit and then on his gigantic unit? or will he have to use it when he is wearing both units?

[Sully]

One thing to point out, the Creators where not sure when Warrior Guyver was due to return. The Creators have started testing again but are aware of Chronos and it's desire to kill them and humanity's fight with Chronos. To the Creators this is an ideal situation because it gives them a location where they can test units in a real war situation again powerful foes. Remember Krullnar wanted GPZ to be made and ulimatly he lead to WG becoming Dreadnought by giving Warrior Guyver the unit War Relic to attack Alkanphel.

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[OnyxPhoenix]

greetings once more, one and all. I say, I must agree w/ Sully in his references to the Creators & their ongoing plans w/ Earth & humanity. Plus, as I've been re-reading the fics & jotting down some notes here & there, I've noticed that Alkanphel & Chronos still have a long road ahead of them to be able to match the Creators. In both the Assassin Guyver stories, & in the Warrior Guyver fics, it has been stated that the Creators have thousands of War Worlds in their control, & each one of them contains billions of Aceaer Cast & Kavzars, several hundred thousand Kavzar Commanders, and thousands of Enforcer Kavzars; do the math, and you'll see that, even w/ all the power & diversity that Chronos has w/ its Zoalords, Hyper Zoanoids, and the rest still stand up like chaff in a firepit against the full blown power of the Creators' army.

It also has been mentioned that Dreadnought & the Enforcer Kavzars are near equals in raw power. Multiply that times a few hundred thousands for the Creators, and you get one very ugly, sticky mess. Good luck to Dread, though: if he has to, he will put up one hell of a fight, and w/ the Matrix, things can get very interesting, very fast. Oh, by the way, the Enforcer Kavzar Prime, the most experienced of that level, still has his little mission to complete, and that includes not harming the Warrior Guyver. Can anyone say butt-kicking ally?

[McAvoy]

You are right that Alkanphel's army defeating the Creators is alittle more than a pipe dream. Even if he converts every human on Earth to a Bio Titan, that 6.5 billion army would stand a chance against the 14 trillion Kavzars and Aceaers not to mention the 4,000 Enforcer Kavzars.

He made that army as a way to prove himself the Creators sort of like how a son would prove to his father to gain his respect from him.

[Juggernought]

Well that unknown orange creator force did help out zoalord destrol, isis and the enforcer kavzar when they where stuck on a creator homeworld....

[Frost]

Sully gave a hint.. could someone explain it plz i guess every creator has his colour to identify his army / rank

[McAvoy]

The hint I believe is that that it has been only a little more than a month since the Creators have returned after their confirmation that the Warrior Guyver has returned. On top of that they are still in the middle of their experiments with the test units. So the creation of the GP and GPZ is directly related to that which I suppose is to test the actual test units against a powerful foe. As was the case with WG5 vs. GPZ.

As far as Creator colors are concerned. That makes sense since Krullnar/Solom colors are blue/green. An orange color for a Creator makes sense.

[OnyxPhoenix]

Juggernought wrote:

Well that unknown orange creator force did help out zoalord destrol, isis and the enforcer kavzar when they where stuck on a creator homeworld....

Just a little aside for ya, Jugg, it was the zoalord Alfrid Drano, w/ his daughter Isis (aka Guyver 4), and the Enforcer Kavzar Prime (1st EK of them all) on that War World. Just being as helpful as I can.

As for the ongoing experiment w/ the test units, one answer has been found out: don't make a Guyver w/o its normal weapons, a la the Lostude Guyver (David Selfridge?). His unit was unique and versatile w/ the energy matrix system, but w/o additional weapons, and probably more info & training on how to deal w/ a Zoalord, it wasn't actually a real challenge against Alkanphel (can anyone say how much redirected energy blasts will burn? ouch!) R.I.P Lostude Guyver, and here's hopin that your missus (Edutsol Guyver, Marian) finds out that working w/ the Grakken ain't all it's cracked up to be. Backstabbing comes to mind real quick when u r dealin w/ a race that wants to exterminate both the Creators and their creations for what was done to them (aka humans . . . gulp!)

[Frost]

Hmmm well i am sure ol Alk scanned Drano's mind and found out how deep in over his head he is and i bet the Creators know that he knows how huge their forces are as they are aware of his abilities so which lets to the question what role will Alkanphel play in the next upcomming fic..