GuyverXenon Posted March 29, 2003 Posted March 29, 2003 Alright I know this is probably a dumb question but its been bugging me. What exactly does the Warrior Units control medal do differently from a standard Guyvers?
*zeo Posted March 29, 2003 Posted March 29, 2003 A normal CM controls and regulates the Guyver Unit and links it directly to host brain. Under the Takaya Yashiki concept it also helps create a link with all other CM's, creators are suppose to have a really big CM somewhere(supposedly at the heart of their empire) and creates a uni-mind among all the Creators and causes the Guyver effect in humans by raising their level of consciousness, combined with the unit inducing the bio-boost process to make them out of control. We of the WG fan fic don't really follow that as we like to keep away from concepts of Ki and Spirit energy. Just telling you so you know the difference between Manga and the WG fan fic. The way we see it the CM is like a super computer that links to living organisms and controls them and allows communication with other CM's. The Bio-Boost process is a natural function of the Guyver organism, having originally been made from a parasitic organism it basically transforms the matter it bonds to into energy with a form of cold fusion. Not a new concept and was even used to explain how humans became batteries for the machines in the movie the Matrix. The CM determines the efficiency of the process, thus preventing the Unit from consuming the host, and allows the host to control the unit. Since the Unit can phase itself into hyper space to store itself, it has a natural HSL like power link that gives the CM the ability to regenerate the whole host/unit from just a few cells. For the WG unit we expanded on this and created basically 4 CM's in one that work together to make an extremely powerful CM. This allows the HSL to be integrated into the Bio-Boost process and basically turbo charged it. This power generation is still limited to the host ability to handle generating that much power, this is both to keep our characters within the realm of sci-fi and so we don't have to deal with god like characters that would ruin story. This is why Dreadnought is limited to his present power level. Using the Power Boost mode for longer than 15 minutes would result in the destruction of host body. A more powerful and thus more durable host can be boosted to higher levels.
McAvoy Posted March 29, 2003 Posted March 29, 2003 Though it could be said that the reason the stndard unit is that size an shape is because it needs to be. Therefore, it's not simply four standard control medals put together because: 1. The Warrior unit's control medal is roughly the same size as a standard unit so you cannot merge four full standard control medals into one. 2. They are only partial control medal forths, which would mean that everything in the standard control medal needs to be smaller to fit in forth of the space. 3. They are not true forths of a control medal, after all a forth of a circle with three other forths of a circle will make a circle, not a pyramid. 4. The Warrior unit Control Medal is in fact totally different externally and internally than the standard unit's. So Solom could have made a standrad size and shaped control medal without resorting to the pyramid shape seeing that he would need to create totally new processors for each segment which would mean he could have made a larger processor isntead of four smaller ones. Or he could have had four processors but still not resort to the pyramid shape.
Sully Posted March 29, 2003 Posted March 29, 2003 You forget one thing McAvoy. Miniaturisation, a fact with all tech is that over time we can make things better and that would take up less space. Creators have been on Earth for a billion plus years, yet the basic unit never changed. Even then after 100,000 years of development Solom made what was needed for the 4 control medal design. As you pointed out it was no easy task and its break through has not happened since.
McAvoy Posted March 29, 2003 Posted March 29, 2003 Isn't that what I said? The ability to fit a standard Guyver processor into space a forth the size? Even then wouldn't it make far more sense to make a single processor but four times as powerful or so? I understand that the four processor design is basically a redunacy design. But what I am saying is that you have four processors each a forth the size of the larger standard unit, could fit in the same size control medal without resorting to the pyramid shape. The only reason I think of for that design, unless there is a unspoken technical reason we haven't heard yet, is cosmetic reasons. Real world reason: the design came before the technical reason came. It looked cooler and showed a marked advancement then the standard design. Fanfic reason: To show that the Warrior unit is far more advanced than a standard unit. To be able to show a difference between the two. Also sybolism. Anyone who sees a regular designed control medal can take a wild guess if it's a standard unit or not. With a pyramid design, you kn ow this is a Warrior unit.
*zeo Posted March 29, 2003 Posted March 29, 2003 McAvoy, most of your conclusions are correct, reason for pyramid shape is also because the fact the CM has a crystal like molecular structure. The combination of compression and multi CM segment design thus gives it a more diamond shape but yes it also gives it a cosmetic appeal, but the design is for far more than redundacy. Parallel computing allows multiple processors to work together in a way that makes them even more powerful than even a single more powerful processor. The processors work togethor both as one and as seperate processors. Allowing them to handle a far greater load than any single processor can handle. This was my thinking when I suggested the four segment design to Brian, who originally suggested a two CM design to me. For the WG.com Fan Fic. CM design hierarchy goes like this: 1) Standard CM-Basic Design 2) Compressed CM-Same size but 50% better than standard due to extra CM mass. 3) Dual CM (like Assassin Unit's have)-2x standard CM but takes up more space 4) Compressed Dual CM-Looks like standard but is basically 2 CM's in one. 5) WG CM - 4x standard CM. Same size as standard CM 6) Matrix WG CM - 10x Standard CM.
McAvoy Posted March 30, 2003 Posted March 30, 2003 Well I can't read minds, I knew nothing about the crystalline structure part.
*zeo Posted March 30, 2003 Posted March 30, 2003 Actually that's in the Manga, reason Control Medals are vulnerable to sonic attacks. But we do admit that it also had a cosmetic appeal as well.
W'Kar Posted March 31, 2003 Posted March 31, 2003 In aesthetics, circles are used to draw attention to something, to accent a particular thing. Kind of drawing the attention in. Triangles and Pyramids tend to show energy and power. They make people feel in the presence of something mightly. Reason the pyramid were well, pyramids.
Guest Posted March 31, 2003 Posted March 31, 2003 hm zeo u left out angles cm, which seems to be 24x a guyvers so it must be more advanced then a warriorguyvers.
xtro guyver Posted March 31, 2003 Posted March 31, 2003 hm zeo u left out angles cm, which seems to be 24x a guyvers so it must be more advanced then a warriorguyvers. Don't forget part of the reason she is so powerful is because the host has been altered to produce the electromagnetic energy to power the units ablitites.
Guest Posted March 31, 2003 Posted March 31, 2003 guess i forgot about that still though her unit cm would have to be advanced for it to change her body
Sully Posted March 31, 2003 Posted March 31, 2003 guess i forgot about that still though her unit cm would have to be advanced for it to change her body You should think before you speak.
McAvoy Posted March 31, 2003 Posted March 31, 2003 She also has an Enforcer Kavzar control Crystal insdie her as well. Though it can only be part of one considering the Crystal alone is probably the same size as her head...
W'Kar Posted March 31, 2003 Posted March 31, 2003 Angel's REAL secrets have yet to be shown, only hinted at and even that was purposely confusing. Angel's body was changed by the unit to accomadte it's energy systems and the way it works, what does THAT tell you imaginative people?
Kaiser Dragoon Posted March 31, 2003 Posted March 31, 2003 Now I'm interested. I knew Angel did still have some hidden mysteries but now that I look at it again, wow I'll be watching your Angel fics closely from now on. Hehehe The things you CAN do with her, I'm looking foward to it.
thanosfan82586 Posted April 18, 2003 Posted April 18, 2003 How fast could the WG cm teleport into hyperspace? Could it teleport into hyperspace fast enough to save itself if the Guyver Zoalord had just stopped fooling around and fired his head beam right at the Warrior Guyver's control medal?
Matt Bellamy Posted April 18, 2003 Posted April 18, 2003 How fast could the WG cm teleport into hyperspace? Could it teleport into hyperspace fast enough to save itself if the Guyver Zoalord had just stopped fooling around and fired his head beam right at the Warrior Guyver's control medal?\Considering the portective shielding on the C-Medal itself would slow the beam dow from actually touching the C-Medal instantly, I would say yes it can. It however would probably be a VERY close call. Now if it were Dreadnoughts Matrix Enhanced C-Medal, most definatly.
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