Enzyme's defeat?

[*PrimalNemesis]

This has been something I have been wondering about for many years. What would Sho had to have done differently in order to have defeated Enzyme?

[Larz Zahn]

Well... Any of his long range weaponry would of done the trick. The thing with enzymes is, don't get close to them.

[Darksenshi]

When it comes to his father becoming a Enzyme I have no idea how he could have handled that situation differently. He was basically in a situation where his dad absolutely had to die. If he ran away his dad would have been eventually killed by Chronos anyway.

But I agree Enzyme should be handled at a distance as much as possible.

Edited August 23, 2013 by Darksenshi

[Enzyme-eternal]

Step 1, don't die.

 

Ok seriously, it's pretty obvious I hold Enzymes, especially Enzyme 1, in high regard so I'm pretty bias but yeah ranged attacks.  Though it would need to be a really far range since Enzymes are fast and Enzyme 1 survived having half its head blown off and Enzyme 3s can regenerate and fly.

[Larz Zahn]

not to mention the enzyme 2 has a medium range to short range attack with the acid/enzyme spit.

[LordSpleach]

At this point, I say use the Gigantic for an easy time, or have Aptom on hand to freeze them.

[*guyverfan]

i think sho needs to find a way to allow the unit to fight in defensive auto pilot mode all the time. since it seems to be able to kill all enemies presented without breaking a sweat whenever sho isn't conscious

[*Jess♥]

At this point, I say use the Gigantic for an easy time, or have Aptom on hand to freeze them.

I concur. for a good time, call gigantic guyver.

[*V Guyver]

Enzyme one... fly, and just keep on shooting it from a distance. Enzyme was big slow, and a walking tank. Sadly, he all short range attacks with his tail being the only mid range one. Sho wouldn't even need to dodge from 30 feet in the air, he could literally of just floated and shot him to hell. Unfortunately, Sho didn't know how to fly at that point. If grounded he could of out run the creature and still attacked at a distance. I don't know why Sho didn't figure out to run. Granted, large creatures can be fast, a Bear can catch up to a human easily (except downhill) But the Guyver can easy outrun the damn thing.... why the heck would he hide in the bushes?

Enzyme II, the strategy from the first works with the exception that this Enzyme is faster, and and sports more mid range attacks. He can still be easy, you can fight in the air and dodge up there because of the speed of the attacks of Enzyme are slower than the Guyver. In long distance combat, Sho can still pull it off with done right. The problem is fighting Multiple Enzymes II's, you have to be far more cautious. The one thing the Enyzme II is worse than Enzyme I is durability. He can't take as much damage (rage or not). making sure your hits count like Murikami tried to do is good combat sense, and try to finish them off one at a time instead of interchanging attacks.

Enzyme III, Don't get in fights with these guy. Worse, don't fight a team of them. They are far more dangerous than the previous units. The Fastest of all of them with a berserker strength and regeneration in place of durability. They lack long range weapons but their flight and speed makes up for it. this removes some of the efficiency of a Guyvers long range attacks due to them closing the gap like a infighter from boxing. Really in this strategy, especially against a team, it's all evasion while whittling them own, hopefully with smart attacks that go for the head and neck. 

Writing this makes me realize just how stupid or limited Chronos can be. If they had made a team of Enzyme II and Enzyme III to complement their flaws, Imakirum would of had a much easier time. In fact, why didn't he bring a new team of (Aptom Proof) Hypers to boot? He could of wiped everyone out! XD 

[Larz Zahn]

The only way to win against a enzyme 3 is to use attacks that encompass the entire body. Standard kills are precisely useless due to its crazy regeneration. I might even suggest battles of attrition... But i don't have an idea on how long they'll last once in play. It could be an hour to a few hours to even a week of life.

[*V Guyver]

You know, that brings up a question. Should the Guyver just be better off taking a hit to give a fatal hit to the Enzyme models? They keep dodging the attacks, which is usually smart, but in the case of a team of Enzymes, taking some damage to kill them quickly before they can accumulate too much damage may not be a bad idea. 

If Sho for example had gone straight for the head regardless of all the damage he himself would suffer, he may actually of survived the battle. 

It's questionable though if this would be smart at all, or effective against a team of Enzymes. 

So running into the open arms of an Enzyme III unleash a point blank Sonic Orb may not be such a bad idea I think. Granted the Guyver manage to dodge the explosion afterwards. 

Query, how exactly did the Enzyme III's die? I know One was killed by Bio Freezer, and one died from it's quick processing. How was the third beaten? 

[Toku Warrior]

Well. it must also be taken into account that when Shou fought Enzyme 1, he was still a newbie to fighting and had only been dodging Chronos for no more than 1-2 weeks, so he had very little practice with how to use his Guyver unit.  So, unless Shou had been trained as an elite soldier for years, or had focused on learning more about his armor before hand, there was no way for Shou to defeat Enzyme 1.  You must also remember Shou was fighting to protect Tetsuro (and Mizuki in the OVA), so he had to think about their safety the entire time.  Enzyme 1 could care less who got hurt.  He was as good as dead anyway, either by the Guyver, Guyot or his short life span.  Enzyme basically was a man with nothing left to lose and it was his want of revenge against the one person who ruined his life that drove him to keep on going.

 

Enzyme's, in general, are very durable and are hard to kill, depending on the generation that you're fighting.  With Gen II, along with the acidic saliva which they can spit, they have those spider leg-like claws on their back, which make it hard to attack from behind.  Enzyme 1 was mostly just close combat oriented so any long range weapon could have worked.  Megasmasher, Pressure Cannon dead center in the face (fully taking it out), those are the two best ways to kill it....or use the Sonic Oscillators but that'd be hard to use (as well as the Megasmasher due to the charge-up time) as Enzyme's 1 and 2 won't give you the chance to do so.

 

As for Enzyme III, your best bet is to mostly keep as far away from it as possible, go Gigantic on it or use a very powerful explosive device that would destroy it.  Again, this is hard due to their powerful healing factor.  While note the strongest of the 3 Gen's, it is the fastest so, unless you're really far away at the start of the fight, there is no way to charge up a Megasmasher or Giga Smasher blast.  Pressure Cannon's are recommended to keep them at bay and confused just long enough to gain some distance....as well as running like hell and praying that you're faster than they are.

[Bio-Boosted Dude]

I think Sho's conditions for losing the first Enzyme battle should be considered differently depending on which media of the Guyver we're watching.

In the manga, only Tetsuro is watching the battle and, as far as Sho is concerned, he doesn't need to worry too much about Tetsuro because Enzyme only wants Sho. Sho's arm is bitten off only because a Cronos soldier apprehending Tetsuro distracts Sho into looking away from Enzyme.

In the 12-part OVA, Enzyme seems to show some kind of super speed which allows him to bite his arm off.

In the TV series, Sho just doesn't seem to be taking the fight very seriously and loses his arm very unceremoniously... (let's not get started on this version of the fight).

In all medias, the loss of Sho's arm is pretty much the turning point of the fight and is followed by him getting impaled. It's pretty hard to say exactly what he did wrong/how he could've won unless you specify which media you're talking about! I would definitely say that just watching the 12-part OVA, Enzyme looks to be much stronger than presented in the other incarnations, as if there really was no hope for Sho to win. In the others it just seems that unforunate circumstances led to the fight being in Enzyme's favour

[*V Guyver]

The OVA certainly made Enzyme to be a real monster. It had deceiving speed and range, and he wasn't going down from grizzly attacks. Still the strategies apply. Sho was just too inexperience I think. Since this was the most brutal and decent fight out of all the versions, I go by this one on how I set up a counter strategy. By the way, anyone else remember how that tail was being used to sweep attack? It was not really too long a tail, but massive still, it was such a large thing it could apparently bulldoze things with it's velocity. Apparently this half the reason it went right through Sho's armor like nothing. 

[Larz Zahn]

I love this fight no matter what version its in. It is so brutal and and it makes me feel hopeless for Sho. A unfair fight that its as violent a this one early in the series really set the tone for Guyver for me! And i remember being so awestruck and surprised when so actually died! This was the first time i ever saw a hero die and was completely blown away. It makes me so happy that Guyver doesn't hold back that often.

[*V Guyver]

I like everything you mentioned except that though the Anime version was closer to the manga minus hiding in bushes, it was pretty damn silly. Animated goofs (Pay attention to the arm for animation errors) and animated a little silly, especially the guyver being Bitch Slapped. 

Zerbebuth against the Guyver. He's not an Enzyme, but he was the first opponent to use an acid attack that could damage the armor by corroding it. I wonder why they did focus on more acid based Zoanoids even though were effective. If I were Cronos, I would make a 100 disposable weak but fast self destructing Enzyme soldiers. Not only are they bred for fast kamikaze attacks, but I think numbers could simply overwhelm a Guyver. They wouldn't even need to use strength. Hmm...I definitely should've been born into Chronos. 

[*PrimalNemesis]

I honestly wonder if Sho ever had a chance against the original Enzyme. Probably not because Sho was still young and very naive. It is still very heart wrenching for me to watch the old OVA version of the fight. Tom Fahn who voiced Sho in the English dub really made me feel Sho was being mercilessly slaughtered. He took the emotional levels to new heights. Really crazy stuff.

[Larz Zahn]

Haha! The only problem i had with the ova series was the dubbing! Especially Mizuki!

[*V Guyver]

I honestly wonder if Sho ever had a chance against the original Enzyme. Probably not because Sho was still young and very naive. It is still very heart wrenching for me to watch the old OVA version of the fight. Tom Fahn who voiced Sho in the English dub really made me feel Sho was being mercilessly slaughtered. He took the emotional levels to new heights. Really crazy stuff.

SHo did great, and as Lord Zahn pointed out, Mizuki was terrible. It's hard to believe that is the same actress had such a diverse career. he could understand Sho and Agito's actors and they indeed became well known, especially Agito's... but ugh, Mizuki. 

[durendal]

Despite having the title of "Guyver Killer", how many Guyvers have they actually killed versus how many were killed by Guyvers?

 

Would smashing their head automatically kill them?  If it would, I'd just pop off their heads before they have the chance to regenerate.  If not, blind them with the head beam and cut-off their head.  Once cut, throw their head as far as possible and see headless enzymes groping for their heads.  Or cut off one of their arms and use them to flay the other enzymes.

 

The only reason Shou got killed was due to his hesitation.

[Larz Zahn]

Going for the eyes is a pretty good strategy. And at the very least, its a good way to slow down the e3 long enough to get away. Question, would the e3 have enough reaction time to dodge the head beam?

[*V Guyver]

We haven't seen them in animation. so we can't figure out how fast Enzyme 3's regeneration would fix the blindness. Though those seconds are critical for a quick kill. The other Enzymes being blinded would render them fairly useless unless they have enhanced smelling. SOme of the other Zoanoids have it no doubt, but not Enzymes. Of course, if you can actually hit the head at all, why bother with the eyes at all if you have a good chance of decapitating the damn creatures. 

I'm thought it over, and it seems the best weapon outside of a Megasmasher to kill and Enzyme is the Sonic Busters. Decent range, wide field, and if honed enough, instant kill, even against an Enzyme. The back up would be the pressure cannon.