Are you a loyal guyver fan or not?

[*Jess♥]

sorry to be so provocative, but this has been on my mind recently.

with our recent efforts to ensure that yoshiki takaya gets his dues for his work, there have been a few responses.

 

some people reacted very positively and strongly showing great support for this endeavour.

 

some people were understandably upset due to their difficulties either financially or logistically.

 

some people only care that they can't get free manga any more.

 

The fact that there are any people that are in number 3 upsets me greatly. even people that we previously considered fellow guyver fans, may not actually be people we would want to call friend because they are selfish and merely want to rip-off the producer of guyver. now, I am not going to assume what is in anybody's head from their actions or their words. I will allow people to present themself how they wish and will merely react accordingly. but I am sure there are people who will have this attitude.

I'd like to say that if any person who has attitude number 3, get the hell out of here. there is nothing for you here.

but well, that is something that I would like to say, actually, this site is a welcoming place in general.

for people in position number 2, we'd all love to help out and for people in position number 1, you are great and should be proud of the fact that you are a wonderful human being.

 

ah well that is enough of my views on the matter, I want to hear what yo think.

 

P.S. if anyone here is watching this and thinking that we are merely trying to make money, you guys should know that our margin is something like, less than £1 per book and that is in place as leeway in case of increased post costs etc. there is actually a possibility that I may make a significant financial loss if postage prices increase significantly. 

Also, current order volumes do not allow us to work with a books wholesaler so we cannot get bulk ordering discounts.

This is the sad reality of things. people think we are trying to make money off of this. simply put, it's not financially viable for us to try and make money right now, it would make the books unaffordable for most guyver fans.

[RazorLaser]

I do support the idea. I just personally choose not to buy it, because I don't want to own Manga which I can't read, therefore having to turn to an online translation. Kind of defeats the purpose of owning the Japanese Manga in the first place. It's not exactly like downloading subtitles for a foreign movie now, is it? You own a physical copy which you can't actually read, and have to go on another media to read it.

 

That, and also considering that I'm struggling to pay for the English Manga from Chuang-Yi Publishing and only have the first volume so far (which I accidentally stumbled across in Australia).

 

Only thing I could suggest, is to possibly make people pay half-price to be able to get the Advocacy chapters/translations and NOT get a copy of the Japanese Manga.

[*Jess♥]

mr mctaco, that is an interesting proposition.

sort of 'going halves' on a book.

I'm not sure where we would stand on that morally and legally, but it's worth thinking about.

in another thread.

not to mention that we can do nothing that would make the people who have already pre-ordered effectively miss-out. I won't allow those people to be hurt in any way.

 

 

oh yes, I did want to mention in addition to what i wrote in my first post.

What we have been doing previously is helping people perpetrate criminal acts.  piracy is a crime whether people like it or not, whether people trivialise it or not.

some people seem to think we are spoiling their fun by not publicly releasing a guyver translation, but no. we are simply attempting to help guyver fans while remaining *sort of* within the law. i.e. we are not publishing our translation.

there was a thread where we talked with guyver four about this extensively.

 

anyone who feels like we are hurting them should remember that we are not to be expected to help anyone break the law. we don't owe you anything. we do what we do, to help, not to hurt.

[alkanfel009]

I guess they are good arguments,

 

 

but we have to remember two things, not all have the resources to acernos with a physical book of the Guyver,

 

of what piracy is questionable, because although the miss someone Translates and publish chapters free so the general public is one thing,

but in spite of that I am still interested in getting a sleeve to get my hands on,

 

eventhough it is a volume that you read online or download ase long

 

I think if inportara not work like the translation to be published in the pages and forums, because there will always be those who want to book their palpable,

 

Well that's my thinking,

[*guyverfan]

i for one am in favour to aquire a copy of the book.

i actually plan on printing out the translated pages and place them accordingly in the book, might end up being alittle overflowing but im sure accouple of large rubber bands will hold it together.

All depends on your current situation i guess, this by far is the most easiest way for me to acquire the book as it's not available to me locally

Edited March 21, 2013 by guyverfan

[LordSpleach]

Well, I just got hired and waiting to start work, and I'm also in favor of owning a physical copy. I personally would like a paper translation that way I don't always have to as Mr. McTaco said it, 'another media'.

[Larz Zahn]

I love having a digital copy. It's easier to store and manage. That said, there is something to be said about having the physical thing in my hands. Plus the art. Digital copies have been great in quality, but its still losing a bit when scanned. so highly in favor of this. And excited like a little school girl. But in a manly way.

[Aether]

well not sure how much my opinion is important here as according to above im great and wonderful!

but i will say that i now think of this in a different light.

im working on a manga myself. its hard work. sure im not getting paid at the moment , but when i think of the hard work that goes into the massive amounts of manga that is just acquired like it was nothing, its quite shocking really. anyway its the state of the world we live in but anyway.....

regarding this particular situation -

i think people complaining about no more free Guyver should put up or shut up.

i understand financial difficulties and if i was in a position not to be able to pay i would still find a way to pay even if it took me a year to save the money.

Ryuki is not being unreasonable here, in fact hes being more than reasonable. and has even shown he is willing to work with individuals circumstances.

he is working ethically for Takaya and people should respect that.

if anyone out there thinks he is out to make any £ off of this then they are crazy. its not in his nature. all he wants to do is support Guyver and this is the best way that has manifested.

am i being over dramatic here?? no.

through being around here 5 years now, i know he wouldnt stoop to such depths.

To those who assume that they should get every manga in the world for free including GUYVER then you should really get a time machine and go back a decade and a half and realise just how lucky you are now.

so go download every other manga and comic that is produced in the world, unfortunately Guyver wont be available though.

Edited March 22, 2013 by Aether

[Sully]

In the end this is about what is good for Japan Legend and the Guyver franchise as a whole.

 

Simply put I want to keep having both around for a long time to come. Without getting money the Guyver franchise we've all invested a lot of time in following will die out. If a UK Licence is ever acquired then the site itself could face some nasty legal trouble for having scans freely out there to download.

 

It's not ideal, but what we have here is a nice enough solution. You only provide translations to people who buy the book at cost. Works good in everyway.

 

Anyone that moans otherwise is basically saying they do not support the Guyver story, as such their view is null and void as far as I am concerned as they are no longer a fan once they cross that line.

[daveblackeye152]

I think I am. I do so prefer having a real copy in my hands along with a translated digital.

[river_chaos]

I, too, am a loyal fan that wants to show support for the author aside the fact that I prefer having a hard copy that doesn't take up much needed memory space. 

However, as a college student on a tight budget, I cannot afford the physical copy until I can find a more stable source of income (turd boss had to put me on call, so my paychecks are pretty sucktakular this semester).  It might take me a few months to get a physical copy, but Guyver is worth the wait IMO. 

[Aether]

 It might take me a few months to get a physical copy, but Guyver is worth the wait IMO. 

 

exactly!

 

well done river!!

[Lindsay]

Not only am I looking forward to holding vol 30 in my hands in high fidelity print edition free from scanning artifacts and piracy concerns, I hope that I can eventually backfill every volume not distributed to my local comic book guy!

[LordSpleach]

Not only am I looking forward to holding vol 30 in my hands in high fidelity print edition free from scanning artifacts and piracy concerns, I hope that I can eventually backfill every volume not distributed to my local comic book guy!

 

Once I start getting paychecks, I also would like to fill out my 100,800p HD collection.

[Guyver9000]

Piracy is going to happen. Even if all the members on this board bought an issue of the manga, I highly doubt we would make a difference in whatever problem may or may not be facing the release of the guyver manga. We can't make up for the fact that sales in japan aren't strong.

I'm a HUGE fan of GUYVER. I have all of the Max Factory figures released (including purgstal), I have a ton of the vinyl model kits. I will be getting the new figma figures. I also have all of the american single issue comics that were released years ago. If Guyver is ever released in the states again, in english, I will buy them. I won't, however, pay to buy something I can't read.

Edited March 31, 2013 by Guyver9000

[*Jess♥]

how about this:-

I'm wondering if the people who say "I won't pay for something I can't read" would like another option.

 

how about we ask a payment of £13.50 for the scanlations we produce and then as a bonus, we send you a free Japanese Guyver Manga that you can do whatever you want with.

 

now this is interesting. I really want to see how people respond to that concept.

 

is it really about the 'principle', or is actually about the money.

[Sully]

is it really about the 'principle', or is actually about the money.

 

It's always about the money. People would argue even if you just charged £1.

 

At a yearly charge of £13.50 it's tiny, the only semi hard thing people need to do is store their digital copies. The books they just put on the shelf and forget about it.