chapter Guyver October 2011

[Super Existence]

I don't know why but I hope the Uranus aren't returning.

They work better as a backstory and plot element to go back to rather than to reintroduce them.

It also bothers me that this war is still going on after so many millions of years and that they would still be in the same state like it was only a few mins ago for them.

It's one part of the story that always bothered me is that the advents never seemed to advance despite the fact that they stayed on earth for millions of years manipulating life. We've only been technologically proficient for 3000 years and look how far we've come.

It's also demented to me that Apollon would be a Uranus agent, why would they care about the zoacrystals they could easily make there own and if they wanted them back for another reason they could easily fry every zoalord as they did Alcanphel and retrieve them. The way this is being done seems more surreptitious and too much of a long winded way of attacking earth or Cronos for a species so mind-bogglingly advanced.

[daveblackeye152]

Well, I'd think the Creators would care about someone creating more Zoa crystals for a few reason. One is probably out of principle and and perfection, they closed that project and it was supposed to be closed. 2nd, since that door forced itself to remain open they might be concerned of any loose ends that could come back to bite them. I mean they sent a huge asteroid but somehow humans survived and they might want to be 100 percent safe and re-take what they see as rightfully theirs, off spring Zoa crystals.

[Super Existence]

But if that's the case why not send ten meteors at the earth? They could wipe us out easily instead of sending some kind of spy down there to go after zoacrystals. Makes no sense.

[daveblackeye152]

Then they may want the Zoa crystals first THEN they will blow it up. Perhaps a few of them have over ridden their fear of the events on earth with curiosity.

[Salkafar]

Their war is going so badly they need us now.

And the fact that we survived their attempt to destroy us shows we are exactly what they need.

They're gathering Zoa-Crystals because they know a unified cabal of full Zoalords might give them trouble, but Archanfel is so weakened Chronos can't harvest any new original crystals from him anymore.

So once Apollo has harvested all other crystals, they'll have him approach Archanfel and go: "You want to prove yourselves worthy? Okay, here's the deal..."

[Super Existence]

When the Uranus spoke to Alcanphel they planned to have twelve zoalords so I doubt they would reduce their plan to one.

Also the Guyver threat was nothing more than a possibility and they ran a mile.

With four separate zoalords having tried to secure a unit for themselves (not to mention Alcanphel himself) their worst fears did come true after all.

This would be enough for them to wish to decimate the earth rather than benevolently forgive everything prior to that moment.

[LordSpleach]

It's possible it's a research mission, and Apollon had only desired to take unused zoacrystals.He was forced to take Caerleon's crystal in a fight

[jerrygoodman]

The endgame's approaching...I can feel it...the stakes are way too high to be otherwise at this point...it could go either way.

[Super Existence]

It's possible it's a research mission, and Apollon had only desired to take unused zoacrystals.He was forced to take Caerleon's crystal in a fight

This is further proof he isn't with the Uranus, why only take non used crystals or those from 'evil' Zoalord's he'd have gleefully taken Carleon's.

[Super Existence]

This is awesome chapter!

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Guyot also says 'Good Evening, Gentlemen.' when he appears just like the old one.

[*Jess♥]

how did you find out?

[Larz Zahn]

i was gonna mention that the uranus are a scientist people afterall, and they may of wanted some human made zoacrystals to study, but SE's reply kinda blew that outta the water. if he was to simply retrieve a few samples, then the first ones he came across would do.

well crap... its making more sense that apollon isnt from the uranus.... i finally had time to read thru this forum topic and SE practically crushed all my Uranus hopes to tiny tiny tiny crumbles.

i still kinda hope that apollon isnt a well known character, i'd hate the fact that a character would be recycled like that. apollon should be apollon and imakarum should be imakarum.

the idea that apollon is either imakarum or alky with a different personality kinda grates on my nerves, and honestly, kinda cheapens the character apollon.

having the apollon armor crafted from the navi sphere is a clever theory, but how would he shape it? i doubt the ship would respond to imakarum or even alky. and it took sho making a dying wish that allowed his unit to merge with the relics spheres.

[LordSpleach]

But Sho did have access to the ship through the armor, which is standard equipment for Uranus. Agito was in perfect health when he made his Gigantic. The ship wasn't designed to accept biological access to test subjects like humans, zoanoids, and zoalords.

[durendal]

Since this is Chinese translation, I'm putting my hands off and will allow Amika to translate this. I'll only step in if Amika is not able to translate this.

Also, things fit with Agito x Shou and Shizu x Mansion angle. But Aptom x Libertus purpose still eludes me.

[Super Existence]

how did you find out?

Ran it through Google translate, was the only bit that made any sense at all.

[Salkafar]

I personally think that Apollo not only is an original character, but also has no other identity. That helmet isn't a helmet... that's his face.

[*Jess♥]

I personally think that Apollo not only is an original character, but also has no other identity. That helmet isn't a helmet... that's his face.

i don't know, that sounds a bit similar to a deus ex machina to me.

II mean, any explanation of where he would have come from would be a bit weak if it has not already been mentioned or referenced a LOT earlier.

I think apollon has been referenced already in a subtle way. this is why i think it was poignant when imakarum laid alkanfel in the temple. I am not certain but alky could be dead. he did say he leaves the rest to imakarum. and then imakarum removed those shades at the end but we did not see his eyes. I think alky may have expired and imakarum is free. that is an interesting scene in book 17.

oh here is something interesting. a book written by one 'apollodorus' tells the tale of alkyoneus. i found this to be interesting, since imakarum is the only other to hold the knowledge, or the 'story' that alkanfel held. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibliotheca_%28Pseudo-Apollodorus%29

[Super Existence]

It would go against all creator tech for something not to have a biological core being from Guyver to zoalords all are enhanced beings not something self contained within a mechanical shell

and since we know his armour is control medal tech, chances are this isn't the case.

Also as Ryuki mentioned there have been numerous hints, Imakarum has also said to be advancing some mysterious plan whilst alone on the island as well as Carleon mentioning that there was only one other person in the Zoalords besides alchy who could possibly have all the zoalords powers.

[Larz Zahn]

alky dead?

while that would be a major plot twist, and i'll never see my guyvers vs alky dream...

i oddy find that explaination for imakarum plausible.

one snag, tho it may just be cause i over looked something.

when apollon acquired the crystal from Khan, he spoke as if he were reporting to someone. if alky had died, and balcus knows not of his identity, then whom would imakarum report too?

and why would he need to collect the crystals in the first place? the most popular theory is that they're needed to somehow heal alky.

oh here is something interesting. a book written by one 'apollodorus' tells the tale of alkyoneus. i found this to be interesting, since imakarum is the only other to hold the knowledge, or the 'story' that alkanfel held. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibliotheca_%28Pseudo-Apollodorus%29

that is interesting. the similarities in the names are kinda exciting.

i too think something is up with imakarum. his passing remark behind alky's sleeping back is confusing as well. the time when we first see him put alky in his sleeping chamber.

i have a question, i remember alky waking up recently when balcus was giving a report and taking the blame. has something happened to alky since then?

Edited September 5, 2011 by Larz Zahn

[neozxtole]

I just thought of something...at the moment Aptom is fighting against four Libertus and Gyout is about to engage Shizu and her Libertus. Perhaps the way Aptom will enter the fight is if Shizu commands the four that are attacking Aptom to go back to where she is as back-up and Aptom will follow them and join the fight once he sees that Gyout is back. I don't see any other way of him joining the frenzy. I don't know exactly how far he is from where Sho and Agito were fighting, but it must be several miles away, otherwise he would have seen or heard the explosions and the Gigantic Exceed fighting since he's so big. Who knows...I guess we'll find out in a few weeks...

[Salkafar]

this is why i think it was poignant when imakarum laid alkanfel in the temple. I am not certain but alky could be dead. he did say he leaves the rest to imakarum. and then imakarum removed those shades at the end but we did not see his eyes. I think alky may have expired and imakarum is free. that is an interesting scene in book 17.

Um... Archanfel woke up alive and well and ready to kick some butt when Barcas went to Silha to report to him, remember?

[Super Existence]

The scene he was talking about is Book 17

[Salkafar]

Yes. So, Archanfel is not dead as of this moment.

Also, I am starving for the translation.

Edited September 5, 2011 by Salkafar

[*Jess♥]

this is why i think it was poignant when imakarum laid alkanfel in the temple. I am not certain but alky could be dead. he did say he leaves the rest to imakarum. and then imakarum removed those shades at the end but we did not see his eyes. I think alky may have expired and imakarum is free. that is an interesting scene in book 17.

Um... Archanfel woke up alive and well and ready to kick some butt when Barcas went to Silha to report to him, remember?

yeah Larz mentioned that too.

actually after i wrote it, I remembered that bit but i thought I'd leave my post as it was since somebody was bound to point it out.

[Super Existence]

Ah..oh, wait I see...