X-Men - First Class

[*Steel]

Yeah he really makes it clear that its a prequel and he will become Patrick Stewart (should he be loosing his hair about now? I really cant remember a flashback where Charles had hair apart from when he was a kid. I actualy thought he shaved his head)

But it really makes Beast seem confusing. Even if he is really young in this... say sixteen at the youngest they could get away with then he'd be in his late fiftys when he showed up in the Trillogy movies. I supose it sort of lines up with Kelsey Grammer's age but still seems to be pushing it a bit.

Even more confusing if you look at Hank's cameo apearance in X-men 2 when he's shown on TV looking Human and in his late thirtys at the most... AAAAAAAAAGHHHHH

They should have stuck with his big hands and feet but still human look. Save the furry blue beast for later.

[Bobby]

Sometimes it's hard to tell what goes on in a scriptwriter's mind. Kind of like a friend of mine. Nobody here.

[Oberon]

Script writers don't have minds. They just put what they can get away with together and try to sell it to someone. In that way they don't have to care about continuity either.

Only the fans care about continuity. Most people just care if it's a good story that entertained them for a few hours and thus only blatant continuity errors will even register on their minds.

[*Steel]

Yeah I can understand that they have to sell it to the producers and so on but it baffles me when they have a perfectly viable story and butcher it into something almost unwatchable even for the general public who know nothing about the characters or history.

If X-men First Class is a good story and is a solid film then I'll be happy. Annoyed at the lost potential but I can justify it. Making errors in their own created continuity is just lazy and poorly executed story telling.

[Bobby]

Yeah.

The previous X-Films should have just been called "Wolverine" because all three were all about him and not any of the characters. No other stories about Cyclops or others.

[Oberon]

Wolverine though is one of teh top selling and most popular characters. He has a tragic unknown past and a very useful power so he's always going to be a nice popular character. The others... meh. Scott Summer's always annoyed the proverbial out of me with his whinging and some of the others just aren't as useful as characters, so to me it was always almost inevitable that Wolverine would be a focus. Plus he's been around in cannon for a very long time. There is or was Wolverine Comic, and I can't think of any of the others who were popular enough for their OWN series.

[ErutanXiku]

There is or was Wolverine Comic, and I can't think of any of the others who were popular enough for their OWN series.

*cough* Cable...Deadpool...X-23...Jubilee (though that lasted 6 issues, so yeah)...

As for the rest of what you said, exactly why most people prefer Wolverine over Cyclops, but it doesn't mean the X-Men movies had to be about Wolverine. In the end he got his own movie, and even that sucked...BAD!

Yeah, he's interesting in that no-one knows his true story, but he's a loose cannon, and a sucky father-figure/guardian type. He took both Kitty and Jubilee under his wing, and he was there for Kitty more than Jubilee - everytime she really needed him, such as after the Bastion incident, he's never been around because he's off dealing with his own problems. Okay, this is going into territories unwanted and I don't want to turn this into an argument over who's the cooler character - your fave is Wolvie, mine's Cyclops

X-Men doesn't really focus on just one character though; they could have gone on a grander scale, and perhaps written a story with a BIG issue and seen how it affected each character. I know, it's a problem with having such a large cast, which is why they tried to trim it down with the whole House of M arc *shudders*

But since they managed to do such a great animated series in the 90's - every episode didn't focus on Wolverine - I don't see why they had trouble making such a well-rounded movie. As for his powers...not all that useful or unique considering Sabretooth has the exact same, and perhaps an even more tragic back story - now there's a movie in the making XD

I'm sorry if it comes off like I'm lecturing you, but I'm honestly not - just trying to have a bit of a fun debate going

Edited February 20, 2011 by ErutanXiku

[Bobby]

Here's the gist of Wolverine's past & powers.

Past: He was a sickly boy in the 1800s until the night the groundskeeper, who's last name was Logan, killed James (Wolverine)'s dad. This caused James to become infuriated and his bone claws came out. James killed the guy and then his mother, who witnessed it, committed suicide. James & a girl named Rose, who was his friend, ran off. Won't go into anymore detail on that. He's not related to Sabretooth like in the movie.

Powers: His claws are a natural part of his mutation. His Healing Factor doesn't just heal him from anything physical, but mental as well. It erases painful memories and that causes amnesia. The Healing Factor also makes him immortal.

And Wolverine has a son who inherited his powers.

[Oberon]

ErutanXiku where did I say wolvie was my favourite?

He ranks up there but he's not my favourite lol. Just that he is the favourite of a lot of people. And while there were Cable, X whatever and Jubilee those weren't original X men or even second generation. (Deadpool wasn't an Xman was he? I can't remember him as one but I haven't followed Xmen for a while). They are later generations. What i was getting at but didn't really state clearly is that out of the Xmen that they were working with the run way favourite and popular one is/was Wolverine and thus it owuld be most likely focusing on him.

Though yes, they did make that animated series and that was pretty good but a movie is almost always going to have to pick one or two people to focus on. If they don't then we generally feel less attached to the characters and don't get as involved. A lot of movies for example - super hero ones or not - have 2-4 main characters and the rest are just support. That's so that we can get attached and involved with the main characters. It's not to say that the supporting roles aren't important just that we don't get as attached to them. The same was true for each X-men movie. Each time there were some characters focused on more.

[ErutanXiku]

Oops! Sorry!

My brother always likes to remind me NOT to assume because it makes an "Ass" out of "U" and "Me"...I apologise for jumping to conclusions like that, who is your favourite X-Man, or do you not have one?

You raise good points about the movies; they're not as versatile as comics can be. Though, despite Wolverine being the favourite of many, I guess my dissatisfaction comes from the other characters not acting as they should be - I didn't feel that Cyclops was a 'Leader' or that Storm was the wise advisor, who had to keep her emotions and power in check due to their nature...It all comes down to how they were written and portrayed, rather than the focus of the story.

However, regarding the comics, Wolverine isn't an original X-Man either - not sure if he could be considered Second Generation though...

[*Jess♥]

wolverine is boring. I was always bored with wolverine.
"look my claws some out and they are in no way a secret symbol for my penis.
look i heal as soon as i get hurt so even though i am nigh invincible, I like to act the tough guy, which doesn't in any way make me a sissy. "
and since he can't remember his past, it really doesn't make him a well rounded character since he has virtually no back story. he is shallow boring symbol of the insecure teenager.

i think if the xmen movies were going to be interesting they needed to think about brushing on the unique aspect of the xmen world. sentinels, where were they? where was apokalypse? why was magneto a frail old man? brightly coloured costumes? character development?
really, the original x-men film was kinda meant to be about magneto. but it didn't then play out that way. i think the script was a sort of mishmash.

I actually find myself thinking about character in the comic and can't place them in the film. I struggled to remember if storm was in the film. oh COME ON!! halle berry? how does halle berry fit the storm character??
the only reason they picked her was because she is popular. oh hold on, they chose to follow wolverine as well... i think i see where their priorities lie.
basically they made a film that was a shallow cash in.
this is hollywood.

sorry for the rant.

[Oberon]

Read comments in Spiderman Reboot thread, Ryuki.

Though have you ever visited Hollywood? If you haven't and have teh chance to go, I would suggest everyone does. The studio's are very interesting to see.

[Bobby]

Interesting Factoid about the fly girl Angel. She was dared to kiss a male student named Beak, who was like the class nerd & looked like an anthropomorphic bird. They ended up hooking up and had kids that literally hatched.

[*Jess♥]

Read comments in Spiderman Reboot thread, Ryuki.

what do you mean?

I'm following that thread, I've read all the comments.

[Oberon]

Might not be that thread but somewhere, I've made plenty of comments recently about Hollywood and how they behave. What looks good goes, what will make a buck goes. What is cannon? Meh not important.

[durendal]

I think we all agree that Hollywood has this knack of twisting any franchise around as long as it will gain profits. Most of the scriptwriters are not that familiar with the franchise they are working on, thus, sometimes we get served with unwarranted changes in the movie. Even the marvel characters are no exception.

However, given the track record of the recent films, I would say that Marvel is now starting to take care of their characters in a way that they are taking care of them in the comics reincarnation. I'm not quite familiar with the licenses that Marvel made with the X-men, but some of the marvel movies were made under license from Marvel, so Marvel really had no control over what happens to the movie. X-men first class seems to be an origin movie for the X-men, so I'm reserving my judgement of the film until I see it. I won't expect too much though.

And lastly, I like Wolverine. But I hated the Hugh Jackman portrayal. Wolverine is short and Hairy. Hugh Jackman is neither short nor hairy.

[xfool]

new trailer looking good

[*Jess♥]

yeas it still looks like a fine movie.

I'd like to go watch it.

[Bobby]

I am definitely gonna see it on opening day. That's also my birthday!!!

[xfool]

lol almost thought he is magneto cuz of the helmet. His powers looks cool.

[Bobby]

Saw the movie yesterday with a friend. It was X-hilarating!!!! Will give my thoughts on it in the next video blog I'm gonna shoot next month. It'll have the most movie reviews I've ever done in one blog.

[Matt Bellamy]

I have to say, I really liked the movie, and really, how they tried to tie it to the existing movies was pretty well done. There were a few things that didn't mesh with the continuity, but considering how good this movie was, I'd like this continuity to continue.

AND, most importantly, that you can make a good X-Men movie, without Wolverine,

Ok, so he did have that 10 second cameo...

About the only thing I didn't like was how they handled Havoks powers ( as he is one of my favorite Marvel Characters)... But after seeing how it all worked... I kind of gave up on complaining about that one.

Here's to hoping for a sequel that actually uses these characters. What I'd really love is a trilogy that ends with moving into the first X-Men movie... Yes, kinda like Star Wars.

[Bobby]

I hope in another one, they introduce Beak. He's Angel's husband and father of her children. He looks like a human chicken.

[*BananaKing]

I just saw it, thought it was amazing. I don't think its as good as the Dark Knight, but its certainly the best marvel movie made yet

[Bobby]

What other X-Men do you think will appear in the sequel??? I can see Colossus if they decide to involve the Cold War since he's Russian. And maybe Polaris. She has powers similar to Magneto. She even thought he was her father.