God?

[largo]

I started the exact same post back on WG and the responces where intresting so I'm curious to see what everyone here at japan-legend.

As for myself, I don't believe in any god. I've come to the conclusion that god and religion alike are nothing more then instruments of human concence and the fear of death.

Edited April 30, 2007 by largo

[Guest DekaRed]

hmmmm, i don't believe in god, but in some sort of higher power....

otherwise whats the point of us being here. I cant really tick any of those boxes....

[*Jess♥]

Yah, I agree on that..

it's hard to pin it down completely because god is an abstract notion.

I believe that GOD is a cumulation of all the will of all creatures on the planet.

kinda like the group conscioussness of the cells in our brain. or like the hive mind of an ant hill.

so god is another name for Gaia... or whatever.

so when the christian bible says the holy ghost is in all of us and jesus is in all of us and god is in all of us, I think they meant it literally.

well at least i think they said that, I don't recall ever reading the christian bible.

[Bio-Boosted Dude]

so when the christian bible says teh holy ghost is in all of us and jesus is in all of us and god is in all of us, I think they meant it literally.

well at least i think they said that, I don't recall ever reading the christian bible.

It generally says that they are with us, I think. I've never read the bible either, even being christian.

I believe in God because of religion and because it is my own choice.

[Guest Unknown_Guyver]

Well how can I explain this without being nasty. I don't believe there is a higher power, you know we have never seen such things, when I see it then I will believe it. I don't like to be forced down by Religion because I feel its like a ball and chain because you can't experience anything, that mostly things that you may want to do is classed as a sin and you can't do it. I personally really hate that and perfer not having a religion and glad that my parents dont follow religions because for like the stuff I have like tattoos and piercings, those are classed as sins.

Also christains actually condradict themselves because it is in the 10 commands "Thou shell not bow down before any graven image" aka Jesus on the cross. Hense while christains believe they may commit a sin while other things. Jesus on the cross is actually a graven image and is classed as a sin because christains caftlics etc bow down before this graven image of a person dying on the cross, not even the devil is a graven image because there is no true form of what is the fallen angel lucifer. Also with the prentagram they say that its a 8 pointed star and is a graven image while actually the prentagram is unknown to how many the points of the star it actually has.

There is so many types of discrption of the devil we don't truly know what this devil is form or shape also to bring another point into play that a lot of People say that the devil's cross is an upside down cross while there are many terms of what the devil's cross truly is but all points to different theories.

So the bibles and all that stuff can condradict a person's path in live and even can come to the fact of someone's suicide at turns every 1,000 years because they say the devil raises once every 1,000 years. Thank you for reading this and I hope you understand my reasons why I don't follow religions at all

Edited May 1, 2007 by Unknown_Guyver

[largo]

Well how can I explain this without being nasty. I don't believe there is a higher power, you know we have never seen such things, when I see it then I will believe it. I don't like to be forced down by Religion because I feel its like a ball and chain because you can't experience anything, that mostly things that you may want to do is classed as a sin and you can't do it. I personally really hate that and perfer not having a religion and glad that my parents dont follow religions because for like the stuff I have like tattoos and piercings, those are classed as sins.

Also christains actually condradict themselves because it is in the 10 commands "Thou shell not bow down before any graven image" aka Jesus on the cross. Hense while christains believe they may commit a sin while other things. Jesus on the cross is actually a graven image and is classed as a sin because christains caftlics etc bow down before this graven image of a person dying on the cross, not even the devil is a graven image because there is no true form of what is the fallen angel lucifer. Also with the prentagram they say that its a 8 pointed star and is a graven image while actually the prentagram is unknown to how many the points of the star it actually has.

There is so many types of discrption of the devil we don't truly know what this devil is form or shape also to bring another point into play that a lot of People say that the devil's cross is an upside down cross while there are many terms of what the devil's cross truly is but all points to different theories.

So the bibles and all that stuff can condradict a person's path in live and even can come to the fact of someone's suicide at turns every 1,000 years because they say the devil raises once every 1,000 years. Thank you for reading this and I hope you understand my reasons why I don't follow religions at all

In short most religions are in fact quite plain evil.

[Bio-Boosted Dude]

In short most religions are in fact quite plain evil.

Hey, come on... That's not fair to say.

[largo]

Hey, come on... That's not fair to say.

But think about it religion has killed more than any one factor heck I wouldn't be suprised if more People have died or been killed for religion then any other cause.

[Guest Unknown_Guyver]

That is actually a good point noted there. Look at 1800s or 1700s or 1600s or whatever women been thrown of cliffs and burnt alive because they were "witches" the towns People state that they are doing god's work and these were innocent women.

[*Jess♥]

you need to respect other beliefs.

otherwise your access to this section will be denied.

this is your only warning for this thread.

[durendal]

I really can't say I'm agnostic. Though I don't believe in God, I absolutely fear him. don't ask me to explain this, it's complicated.

And with the notion of religion, I believe that it is the People who created God, not the other way around. The concept of a higher being gives hope to the desperate and makes them strive for a better way of living. Giving examples of going to heaven after death will encourge People to live their life the fullest. And it is certainly true that in times past, religion has been seen as brutal. Examples are the Crusade and Jihad. But it is not religion that is evil here, it is the People who believes in religion and perverse it's true intention. Since the higher power does not directly intervene with the actions of humans, it is the humans who acts and decides themselves. Giving an example about some terrorist. We see them as, well, terrorist. But they have a motive. Even though thru our eyes they are evil, in their own ideals, they are doing a noble thing and believes that their cause is just.

[Super Existence]

I wouldnt say all religions are evil more organised religion can be used very easily for evil as it insights others to follow a cause. In exactly the same way a corrupt leader can do so with a nation except organised religion can do evil deeds hiding behind a mask of righteousness.

I personally have a problem with organised religion because of how afraid a species we are and how we will do ANYTHING to cling onto an idealogical cause, even kill. People aren't able to except the idea that there's nothing after death or that life is trundling along with noone behind the wheel so they cling to the first voice that says amen.

I just believe in nature and the endless recycling of everything. I do believe in som kind of existence beyond death, we arent dumped on this earth to attain knowledge and experience for it to be wasted, nature abhors waste in every aspect of life so why would it be the same with intelligent thought and idea?

Whatever ever is after death it wont be even remotely close to any religions idea of heaven.

Edited May 3, 2007 by Super Existence

[largo]

I really can't say I'm agnostic. Though I don't believe in God, I absolutely fear him. don't ask me to explain this, it's complicated.

And with the notion of religion, I believe that it is the People who created God, not the other way around. The concept of a higher being gives hope to the desperate and makes them strive for a better way of living. Giving examples of going to heaven after death will encourge People to live their life the fullest. And it is certainly true that in times past, religion has been seen as brutal. Examples are the Crusade and Jihad. But it is not religion that is evil here, it is the People who believes in religion and perverse it's true intention. Since the higher power does not directly intervene with the actions of humans, it is the humans who acts and decides themselves. Giving an example about some terrorist. We see them as, well, terrorist. But they have a motive. Even though thru our eyes they are evil, in their own ideals, they are doing a noble thing and believes that their cause is just.

Finally to think that I'm not the only one around who believes that man created god not god creating us. It's actually kind of funny that you we humans created an entity to play the role of creator?

[Guest Unknown_Guyver]

I can't remember but I heard a quote from a video game that states "humans want to be controlled by a higher power even if they don't notice it."

[Guest Unito]

I dont really care what People think, they believe in what they need to believe to keep them going. I just believe in the physical world, pretty much live life to the fullest and accomplish all that you want and don't feel regret looking back at your life at death.

[*zeo]

I believe in god, I have my reasons as I've experienced certain things in my life that lead me to believe this, but I don't believe in religion since it is too open to interpretation as People can use it to justify just about any action and often do.

[Guest jimi_the_saint]

Honestly, I don't believe in God or a higher power.

I can't say I know there is or isn't, anymore than I can say that I know there are invisible pink flying armadillo's that are undetectable to any kind of equipment we have flying about in the ionosphere, who, 2000 years ago, wrote a book of tales on how to live good moral lives.

You say that to anyone, of any faith and they'll call in the men with the nice white coats with the long sleeves that tie at the back. But I can believe it if I so choose.

But that's all part of being human, you can choose what to believe.

Personally, I believe in myself. I know that sounds arrogant and a little cliched, but it's how I've always lived my life. I like to think I'm a good person.

It's not necessarily about being a boy scout all the time (at least, not anymore), all that'll get you is a hefty dose of clinical depression and family & friends who get paranoid when you say you've been feeling a bit down. (And, yes, I am talking about my own experiences here)

I believe it was my own willpower that stopped me that day. If I had tried prayer, the same thing would have probably happened, and I'd be sitting here arguing for the existence of god with the self same point.

Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view.

Whew, a little disorganised, but I've said my piece, hell, and a little bit more.

[*Jess♥]

Personally, I believe in myself. I know that sounds arrogant and a little cliched, but it's how I've always lived my life.

I like what you said there.

I can really relate to that.

[largo]

I dont really care what People think, they believe in what they need to believe to keep them going. I just believe in the physical world, pretty much live life to the fullest and accomplish all that you want and don't feel regret looking back at your life at death.

Seriously life's too short to worry about what comes after life. One should really concentrate on the here and now.

[Guest jimi_the_saint]

I like what you said there.

I can really relate to that.

Yup, there's no sense in sitting around all day praying for the grand deity to change something in your life, all it takes is self belief and will power.

[Wiedergänger]

Well how can I explain this without being nasty. I don't believe there is a higher power, you know we have never seen such things, when I see it then I will believe it. I don't like to be forced down by Religion because I feel its like a ball and chain because you can't experience anything, that mostly things that you may want to do is classed as a sin and you can't do it. I personally really hate that and perfer not having a religion and glad that my parents dont follow religions because for like the stuff I have like tattoos and piercings, those are classed as sins.

Also christains actually condradict themselves because it is in the 10 commands "Thou shell not bow down before any graven image" aka Jesus on the cross. Hense while christains believe they may commit a sin while other things. Jesus on the cross is actually a graven image and is classed as a sin because christains caftlics etc bow down before this graven image of a person dying on the cross, not even the devil is a graven image because there is no true form of what is the fallen angel lucifer. Also with the prentagram they say that its a 8 pointed star and is a graven image while actually the prentagram is unknown to how many the points of the star it actually has.

There is so many types of discrption of the devil we don't truly know what this devil is form or shape also to bring another point into play that a lot of People say that the devil's cross is an upside down cross while there are many terms of what the devil's cross truly is but all points to different theories.

So the bibles and all that stuff can condradict a person's path in live and even can come to the fact of someone's suicide at turns every 1,000 years because they say the devil raises once every 1,000 years. Thank you for reading this and I hope you understand my reasons why I don't follow religions at all

UG, I am NOT doing this to knock you down. I just want to make my examples plain.

You said, If I see it I will believe it. Have you EVER seen the international space station, other than on TV?

You also said something along the lines of tattoos and piercings. It only says in the Bible, not to desicrate his temple(our bodies) I myself have piercings. It's when it becomes tattoos all over the body and piercings as well is when it becomes desicration.

fun fact: Pentgram is a five pointed star inside of a circle, with the tip of the star pointing DOWN, not up. It is meant to look like the great deciever's face. The top two points are his horns, pentagon in the center his face, other two points his whiskers, and the point pointing down, his beard. Also, on the form of the Devil, please don't take this out of context, I believe he is most likly very very beautiful when not in his true form that the pentgram describes. I am sorry but it is MUCH easier to manipulate People when you are better looking. Ne? Note: this is not to be confused with the wicken penticle, which, in my understanding, stands for the five elements of earth. Therein lies why uneducated christians burned and tortued wickens. I have been to see the recreations of the Witch trials, and I was DISGUSTED.

Also, no where in the Bible, that I have read, does it say that Satan will rise every 1000 years. Only that he was chained by the arch angel Micheal in the PIT for 1000 years. In my understanding, there are two places in Hell, the pit and the lake of eternal fire.

Again, I am sorry UG, I will still always think of you as my mate

I am not typing this to force ANYTHING upon you. The Lord God, gave us all free will, and so, I respect your choice.

[Guest spencer]

Plus, a graven image is something worshipped as a god. If you are a Christian and believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, there is nothing wrong with bowing down to a statue/sculpture/whatever of him on the cross. You're worshipping Jesus, not the cross - or at least you should be a Christian.

That is why it is not considered a graven image.

[Guest Nataku418]

fun fact: Pentgram is a five pointed star inside of a circle, with the tip of the star pointing DOWN, not up. It is meant to look like the great deciever's face. The top two points are his horns, pentagon in the center his face, other two points his whiskers, and the point pointing down, his beard. Also, on the form of the Devil, please don't take this out of context, I believe he is most likly very very beautiful when not in his true form that the pentgram describes. I am sorry but it is MUCH easier to manipulate People when you are better looking. Ne? Note: this is not to be confused with the wicken penticle, which, in my understanding, stands for the five elements of earth. Therein lies why uneducated christians burned and tortued wickens. I have been to see the recreations of the Witch trials, and I was DISGUSTED.

What you are refering to is the Sigil of Baphomet, which is a pentagram that originiated in accusations of demonic worship by the medieval Knights Templar and now is use as a symbol of Satanism. The Pentagram truly originiated with the goddess/planet Venus. Throughout history, Christians have "demonized" many things. The planet Venus (which is associated with the goddess Venus, the Roman equivalent of the Greek love goddess Aphrodite) is often called the "Morning Star". The name Lucifer was a Latin term meaning "light bearer" and Roman astrological term for the "Morning Star", the planet Venus. In the Bible, Isaiah 14:12 referred to one of the popular honorific titles of a Babylonian king, but later misinterpretations of the text led to the common believe in modern Christianity that Lucifer was a poetic appellation of Satan, or the Devil. You have to look at original truth about things. Things in the past, beliefs, even the Bible itself have been altered by man. Therefore I do not follow organized religion.

Edited July 25, 2007 by Nataku418

[*Jess♥]

nataku, that's incredible!

thanks very much for that snippet of information.

I found that really interesting.

so lucifer means 'light bringer'?

it really shows how much of the world is blanketed in ignorance...

[Guest Beoss]

I believe in god, not the religion.

When I see the univers, the galaxy, the sun system the sun, the earth, animals, I tell me, it's not possible that it's the random. Everything is the result of a complex calcul, the mechanism of univers, galaxys, suns, planets are connect between them. organism and animals are adjust for instinct and special life. All is in his place, if not is the cahos.

Edited July 25, 2007 by Beoss