Zoalord-Guyver?

[Johnleprekan]

Now, that I think about it a Guyver unit probably wouldn't heal Alkanphel. The units heal you up to the state when it merged with you and even more by regenerating a whole body. It probably wouldn't cure him of his sleeping sickness. That doesn't mean it wouldn't boost his power though. A Guyver Gigantic is an armor that boosts a normal Guyver. So why can't a Zoalord increase the amount of power they have with a regular Guyver unit. If this is true, I can see why Murakami called it a super-existence.

Edited October 7, 2010 by Johnleprekan

[Larz Zahn]

whose to say that a guyver unit cant read your dna and figure out that your no longer at 100%

like if a guyver unit was given to a cancer patient. i believe that the unit would heal the host, based soley that the presence of cancer isnt suppose to be in a human body.

[*Jess♥]

remember shou's scar.

[Larz Zahn]

ah. good point. i completely forgot about that.

still tho, would the unit recognize that a scar on a arm has no negative effects on its host and ignore it, while a ailment of alky's level is a serious conditon that should not exist on its host (because of the host's... dna template i guess.)

what im getting at is this, a scar is the body already healed itself so no need to fix it.

while whatever is up with alky, is a problem.

[*Jess♥]

also, need to remember that there is a large majority of the human body that is not dictated by human dna. not least of which is essential bacteria required for normal digestion.

[Mirabilis]

I think that the CM would just be in the center of the crystal, and the Guyver itself, would take on the form of the zoalord as well, just in guyver form. So we would see all the Gravity spheres, from the zoalord on the guyver, just in guyver armor style if that makes sense.

As far as how powerful it would be, I think its safe to say, that the zoalord would not only posses all his abilities, but all the guyvers aswell. And at a much more powerful, level. A normal human's abilities were increased 100x by the Unit-G, so I think we can assume the same thing would happen to a zoalord. And as superexistence has said, I think that the zoalord's staminia would increase as well. Drawing in energy from the boost system is a really cool idea SE.

[Guest mcmonster]

I dont mean to necro a thread, but considering its only been 6 months, its still close to top of front page, and this forum doesnt recieve a very large volume of posts anyway, I'll throw my 2 cents in.

I agree with what an earlier poster said, that the crystal would replace/merge with head beam when in bio boosted zoaform mode.

I also believe that most energy based attacks would increase along with physical strength, speed, and stamina, as the base creature is simply more powerful in all respects. The megasmasher would have the zoaform's natural bioenergy to draw from and thus have more raw power.

The vibro blades I believe would more less be the same maybe be a little more durable and perhaps vibrate with more force due to the higher level of bioenergy from host, as my above point.

Other Zoalord abilities, such as the shield, would be questionable as the regular guyver unit does not have any shield properties, but it may be enhanced as the guyver enhances the host many times over from base, which in humans doesnt mean much since they are pretty ordinary. Every ability the zoalord has might be 10x or more if this logic applies.

And as for gravity powered zoalords like Gyou and Murakami/Imakarum, the gravity orb would most likely exponentially increase rather than a linear multiplier increase, as the guyver unit has its own gravity controller to add to the already enhanced abilities of host.

Gravity bullets would be like fully charged pressure cannons and a pressure cannon/gravity blaster attack would just be god awful strong, maybe even rippling off blackhole-esque mini distortions as it flies at the target.

[BoomerBane]

Man! There sure have been some really creative responses to this old post of mine! This is why I love Guyver so much. It really gets the ole mind thinking.

Now, I think unit-g would find a happy medium when adapting to the body of a zoalord host. Something also tells me that very soon we will see all of our speculation come to a fruition. I think Takaya-Sensei is going show us what terror really looks like in the form of a zoalord-Guyver. 2011-2012 is going to be one hell of a ride for the Guyver franchise!

Edited April 4, 2011 by BoomerBane

[durendal]

I'm going to stray off the traditional belief that a Guyver Zoalord is a super existence. Here is one possibility that may be considered for the sake of discussion. The advents consider the g-units as mere armor, or a peice of suit with no special enhancement capabilities. So if the chemistry of the advents biology is similar to that of a zoalord, wouldn't the g-units react the same as if the zoalords are advents? Meaning, no special abilities will be endowed them. Of course, this is assuming that Advents and Zoalords have the same biology. But we have yet any confirmation about this. Just throwing in some speculated X's and Y's into the equation.

[Super Existence]

The Advents had power but it wasn't (or at least doesn't seem to be) an aggressive power.

The guyver enhances whatever a base organism is so if it is an aggressive species it's aggressive tendencies will be enhanced.

Zoalords are even more aggressive than humans biologically so they should have those qualities enhanced, they are living weapons whereas the advents seem to be powerful but biologically benign aliens, otherwise they would have similar reactions to a Guyver unit.

[durendal]

I find the thought that the advents not being aggressive counter to what they are experimenting on. I mean, why would they want to make an army of bioengineered species if not for aggressive reasons? But I do see your point about the base nature of the Advents. But I don't think that the zoalords, or rather, Archanfel to be aggressive in nature. The other zoalords may be, simply because they were part human to begin with, with the exception of Waferdanos, but then again, he was also part of the Advents experiments. But I see Archanfel as a gentle creature only forced to violence because of the situation.

[*Jess♥]

being a zoalord, archanfel would be human.

after all that is what the creators intended. they wanted humans to be their weapons. zoalords are made from humans just like zoanoids. so a zoalord is as aggressive as any human, no more, no less.

archanfel does seem calm most of the time, but so does shou.

there is no difference.

humans have a fighting instinct. this is what the creators wanted. that does not mean they were aggressive.

we breed fighting dogs to tear each other apart at a moments notice. but that doesn't mean we would tear each other apart at moments notice. in the past we had these dogs fight for entertainment. our own instincts do not allow us to be so aggressive, although we do get aggression towards that level, we can't override our instincts. we are not quite that aggressive. it makes perfect sense that the creators were very logical. they wanted their opponents out of the way but when confronted with the idea of doing the dirty work, they felt nauseated or something like that.

[durendal]

Hmm... good point. But there is still the issue of the CM reacting to the Zoacrystal. But I'm now more inclined to think that the Advents ran out with their tail between their legs, not because of the humans, but due to the possibility that Archanfel gets ahold of the G-unit. Human guyver is already powerful. A Guyver Zoanoid would increase that power multiple folds. I'm even scared to think what Archanfel would be capable of if he was given a G-unit.

But what if Waferdanos chanced upon a G-unit? Would he be spewing uncontrollable bioboosted underlings?

Though I am under the impression that the Zoacrystal is used as a limiter to him instead of an enhancer.

[Super Existence]

Waferdanos's zoacrystal more functioned as a capacitor and allowed him to compress everything he was into a single form. It's hazy on exactly how that worked such as as whether it was compressed into his hair or something.

Yeah, Waferdanos Guyver would be a mess. Maybe it wouldn't work.

The advents ultimate fear of the Guyver was that it broke their mind control.

'We have no defence against a being beyond our control.'

I don't think the power 'Guyver Alcanphel' might have was a factor as they were being decimated by one Bio boosted human being and needed Alcanphel to use the remover against it.

This also reflects their power and defensive levels.

'Stop! If you were defeated we would forever lose the means to defeat the bio armour!'

If it wasn't for Alcanphel Guyver-0 may very well have been unstoppable for the advents. They zapped alcanphel with some kind of phsychic electrical attack, they would surely have done this to Guyver-0 if they could as it took valuable time to arm Alcanphel with the remover and get him over there.

It's kind of interesting to show how such massively powerful beings are more or less helpless.

[Larz Zahn]

the guyver merging with waferdonos probably wouldnt have the same effect on him as it does on humans. after all, waferdonos isnt a human, he's basically a hairy island. i wonder if the guyver would even recognize him as a potential host at all.

i agree with SE on this. the advents weren't freaked out that their experimental army can merge with a guyver and gain great destructive abilities. they were freaked out that they couldnt control someone with such power.

here's a question, do you think the advents treated their army well, or treated them like slaves/puppets?

alky showed them great respect. whether this is due to the advents making him respect them due to how he was processed or if he just simply looked up to them in honest.

this is relevent cause if he really did look up to him, then the advents really had nothing to worry about. if they equip alky with a unit, then they just the strongest ally they ever would, but if he was being mentally forced to respect them, be in awe of them, whatever, then if he got a unit and was snapped out of their mental spell, he would be so pissed!!

[Super Existence]

the guyver merging with waferdonos probably wouldnt have the same effect on him as it does on humans. after all, waferdonos isnt a human, he's basically a hairy island. I wonder if the guyver would even recognize him as a potential host at all.

i agree with SE on this. the advents weren't freaked out that their experimental army can merge with a guyver and gain great destructive abilities. they were freaked out that they couldnt control someone with such power.

here's a question, do you think the advents treated their army well, or treated them like slaves/puppets?

alky showed them great respect. whether this is due to the advents making him respect them due to how he was processed or if he just simply looked up to them in honest.

this is relevent cause if he really did look up to him, then the advents really had nothing to worry about. if they equip alky with a unit, then they just the strongest ally they ever would, but if he was being mentally forced to respect them, be in awe of them, whatever, then if he got a unit and was snapped out of their mental spell, he would be so pissed!!

'Absolute loyalty is encoded from Advent to Zoalord to zoanoid.'

It seems to be all about range and concentration for the higher forms. For instance, is someone has a strong will they can resist it but only if that being is not in range.

Whenever a zoalord is near a human they automatically fall to their knees (although wether this is both the processed AND unprocessed we have yet to find out. However Guyver 0 was an unprocessed human being who should have submitted but didn't points to humans feel this inferiority regardless)

Zoalords have a bit more resistance but still feel pressuring authority when they come into contact with Alcanphel.

It seems only logical Alcanphel would feel something similar but his seems to be more child/parent.

Anyway my point is Guyot rebelled against Alcanphel because he was in his dormancy and not in the vicinity to pressue him into obeying, Guyot also had the strong will and desire to rebel down to his ambition.

So basically Alcanphel could have rebelled against the advents but when they appeared before him or near him he would not be able to resist. A guyver wuuld sort this out.

So any zoaform can resist the inbuilt inferiority to higher zoaforms but when confronting them they cannot help themselves.

Although the exception to this rule would be Guyot fighting Alcanphel. Guyot rebelled when he stood toe to toe with Alcanphel even though Alchy demanded he stand down and hand over the remover.

The possible explanation for this is with Alcanphel in his weakened state he didn't have the necessary authority to put down Guyot.

The other thing is we never saw Alcanphel at full power try and get into his mind like Balcus often does which stops lower forms in their tracks, this may have stopped Guyot right then and there but Alchy simply thought at the point Guyot was too dangerous to live.

So just as Balcus at full power mind control cannot stop a Guyver neither would the advents even though a human Guyver at their base programming know those advents are superior and they should obey but now can freely choose not to.

[alkanfel009]

eso me párese muy interesante si notamos como es que alkanphel esta casi siempre durmiendo en el transcurso de el manga, y nos basamos en lo que hemos podido descubrir a través de los recuerdos de las naves de los creators, creo que la unidad g tiene 3 ventajas para alkanphel ,

1 ,. recuperar toda la potencia de alkanphel , para no depender de volver a descansar a su pirámide / templo

2.- aumentar todas sus capacidades físicas ademas de proteger su cuerpo agregando muchas habilidades y poderes, extras

3.- liberarlo de el todo de la influencia de los creators

si lo veo bien creo que mas bien estaría desesperado por conseguir bio mejorarse a si mismo para ser mas poderoso

Edited November 8, 2011 by alkanfel009

[*Jess♥]

when you post, can you also post a translation with http://translate.google.com

that way it will look like this :-

eso me párese muy interesante si notamos como es que alkanphel esta casi siempre durmiendo en el transcurso de el manga, y nos basamos en lo que hemos podido descubrir a través de los recuerdos de las naves de los creators, creo que la unidad g tiene 3 ventajas para alkanphel ,

1 ,. recuperar toda la potencia de alkanphel , para no depender de volver a descansar a su pirámide / templo

2.- aumentar todas sus capacidades físicas ademas de proteger su cuerpo agregando muchas habilidades y poderes, extras

3.- liberarlo de el todo de la influencia de los creators

si lo veo bien creo que mas bien estaría desesperado por conseguir bio mejorarse a si mismo para ser mas poderoso

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So I stand very interesting if we note how it is that is almost always sleeping alkanphel in the course of the manga, and build on what we can discover through the memories of the ships of the creators, I think the unit has 3 g alkanphel benefits,

1,. recover the full power of alkanphel, to not depend on return to rest in his pyramid / temple

2 .- increase all physical capabilities protect your body besides adding many abilities and powers, extras

3 .- release from the whole of the influence of the creators

if I see it I think would be rather desperate for improved bio himself to be more powerful

[odin]

the translation is a bit off, here is what he is really trying to say:

That seems very interesting, if we base ourselves on what we have discovered about the creators through the ships memories and how Alky is almost always sleeping, I think that the Guyver Unit has 3 benefits for Alky:

1.it allows him to be at full power without him depending on his sleep stasis on the temple/ pyramid.

2.Augment all his physical abilities aside from protecting his body and giving him extra abilities and powers.

3.completely remove him from all of the creators psychic influences.

if i see it correctly I think that alky is desperate to acquire the units to be even more powerful.