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It's been awhile since I've been on here and posted my last post on apollyon's name. I'm sure there's a lot of you like me who grew up with guyver and now are adults and still are waiting and hoping for an ending. But since I've regained my password and I am back on I've been thinking about guyver and how I miss it.  Also I am coming to the realization that we may never get an ending for this amazing series. So i'm wondering how would you guyver fans like to see it end? I wanna hear what your theories or wishes for the end are. Also tell me when you got into guyver and whose your favorite character. 

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The only dramatically sound end for me would have to involve:

- Humanity's freedom from its destiny

- Archanfel getting closure (and dying)

- Confronting the Creators and either defeating them or convincing them humanity is worth sparing

- Guyot finally being destroyed

- Sho being freed from the Guyver (using the Remover)

- Agito getting peace of his own... probably as 'Lord Protector' of the world, as the only remaining Guyver

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Agito being the only guyver and protector is a pretty interesting twist, I gotta say.

 

For me... dehumanize alkenphell(?) When you first meet him, he killed his own people just cause they saw him... that always felt like a uber villian move to me. Like he had a disdain for lesser beings. I dont want him have a redemption or have a heart.

 

Agito needs to have an emotional realization of what he did to Shizu.

 

Sho can keep the guyver, but live old and happy with Mizuki. And have a mundane 9 to 5 life.

 

Tetsuro would have a journalist like job and be married to Natsuki or something. I think that's her name. His friend from school. People love shipping her with aptom for some reason. 

 

Aptom! I forgot about him till just then. I see him kinda wandering the globe. 

 

Balcus, Guyot, alky all need to die. Hopefully in one big final battle. 

 

Mirabilis needs to die as well, but perhaps saving Sho as he turns to his old personality, tho... reflecting on this, he only really hated Guyot, if I remember correctly. Going by the Manga. He may be truly team chronus since he replaced guyot.

 

Chronus is there to stay, I have no problem with that, but maybe have agito in charge working together with shin. A better chronus, for a better future.

 

Shizu and the Libertus... gawd. Thats a sad story, they really need to die to slap agito in the face, but I like them so much!

 

Apollyon(?) Should take out the rogues, but either reveal to be a extraterrestrial source or Mirabilis. I guess. I think its a lame outcome, but it does seem the Manga is pointing in that direction(him being mirabilis). Plus if Apollyon is from the Advent Creaters... thats going to take a lot of story telling to make it a good and solid arc. Im afraid it'll be rushed if they tried.

 

Shos three buddies from school will hangout at shos house every so often for games and gossip. 

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  • 5 weeks later...

I have never really given much thought to how I would like to see the series end. Instead I've been thinking of ways on how I would garnish more attention for the series like a continuation or reboot of the 2005 series or a new Guyver movie - especially now with the MCU and DCEU seemingly "struggling" according to youtube-talking heads.

But to finish the series these are my initial thoughts on how I want the series to end: 

One thing for sure, I wouldn't want any redemption arcs. Aptom is one thing, and earned his redemption arc, thus becoming one of Sho's most trusted allies - more so than Agito. BUT, Hamilcar, Guyot, Archanphel, even Imakarum don't deserve redemption arcs. 

  • Case in point, ever since Zuko in Avatar got his new-age fans want every villain of series (Zarkon/Honerva/Lotor of Voltron Legendary Defender, Hordak/Catra/and others of She-Ra: Princesses of Power, Evil-Lyn of Masters of the Universe: Revelation to name a few) to have "redemption arcs." Villains are there to raise the stakes for the heroes, NOT be redeemed.

That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing a temporary 3-way temporary truce between Guyver-I/Aptom, Zeus Thunderbolt, and Chronos especially with my next point.

The Advents return in force and have it be a tie-in to the second live Action movie with the Relic Sean sent home prompting the return of their return to 'Finish the Job.' 

I do like the idea of Tetsuro and Natsuki being a married couple and Sho finally getting his "Mundane Human Life" with Mizuki with or without the Guyver I'd be fine with either option, but almost a Gundam 08th MS Team ending with Shiro and Aina for them. Hidden from the rest of the world in which only 1 or 2 people knows where.

Aptom finally getting the peace he deserves maybe becoming a very "CLOSE" friend to Valcuria (  😉😉) after he works to convince her to join him and Sho

Imakarum and Guyot meeting face to face again and Imakarum killing Guyot before being struck down himself - "I'll send you to hell even if I have to drag you there myself" comment from 2005 series.

If Shin survives the Zoalord purge and final battle, I would like to see him become the leader of Chronos in a new age. He seems like he is a respectable and honorable Zoalord. Why else would Sho and Aptom approach him for information on Apollyon

 

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On 12/24/2021 at 11:06 PM, Larz Zahn said:

Tetsuro would have a journalist like job and be married to Natsuki or something. I think that's her name. His friend from school. People love shipping her with aptom for some reason. 

 

 

 

Yeah, I never understood that either. I mean I always considered Natsuki Tetsuro's girl, and always thought there was something more between Aptom and Hayami because of how they looked after each other and how Aptom reacted to his death. But I also suspect that there may be something developing between him and Valcuria. I can't read the manga but I remember he helped her out and has been keeping an eye on her, while she also spared his life.

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On 12/24/2021 at 3:22 PM, Salkafar said:

Agito getting peace of his own... probably as 'Lord Protector' of the world, as the only remaining Guyver

How do we know his rule will be a peaceful one? 

It's a fact that Agito is never satisfied and that's he's the biggest schemer I've ever seen in a franchise. A lot of what he does is manipulation, sabotage, murder, and premeditation to further his agendas. I say murder because he tried to kill Sho. He condemned some of his supporters to death  when he convinced them to become Libertus. He'll do anything to get what he wants. Most of his moves in the comic and the show were power grabs. He has little regard for others.  He'll say and do anything to get what he wants. To me that is a narcissist. 

Peace just doesn't seem to be a character trait that he has. We're talking about a character that displays narcissism and sociopathy to get what he wants. If he's not betraying someone, he's puppeteering them until he's done with them.  He did it to Sho as there's been a few times where he almost got Sho killed when he stripped him of the gigantic in combat. He let Sho temporarily die so he could use him to destroy the Japanese Branch. He just tried to kill Sho in a one on one before the manga went on hiatus. He's currently manipulating Shizu by having had her undergo a process that resulted in a severe irreversible mutation so he can use her to control his Libertus. They don't have a healthy relationship. She's been groomed by her father to be submissive to Agito. 

He doesn't just want to end Chronos. He wants to assume control. That means create a world government based on a system where he has control. He's already doing that with the Zeus Thunderbolts while Chronos is slowly slipping from his constant attacks against their infrastructure. He's killed more zoalords than Sho, he's killed more zoanoids, before he was a guyver he was sabotaging Chronos. 

 IF he defeats Chronos. He's going to try and find reasons to use the Dark Gigantic. I seriously doubt there would be any peace after he assumes control. 

But so far he's been the perfect guy for the job in ridding the world of Chronos based on everything he's done. 

 

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What's in it for him? Say he actually becomes ruler of the world. What then? Spend his every waking hour ruling the world? Be a slave to his absolute rule? He'd have to delegate, but then you are already surrendering some of your power.

How could he be an absolute ruler? Knowing full well anyone might be the one to betray him? Feared and despised by all? No, he can't be killed - maybe he can't die - but I don't think he can live, either.

He might become ruler of the world, but as an enlightened despot. Maybe even as just a sort of super-Batman - he doesn't rule the world, he just makes sure nobody else does, either.

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7 hours ago, Masamune said:

Agito performing the ultimate self-sacrifice and taking down Guyot seems like a fitting end for him.

Depends. Guyot's not on equal footing unless he steals a guyver unit and gets his own gigantic. 

On 1/25/2022 at 11:59 AM, Salkafar said:

What's in it for him? Say he actually becomes ruler of the world. What then? Spend his every waking hour ruling the world?

 I don't see Agito as a hero. So a guy who screws people over to get what he wants, who is actively killing villains, suddenly makes them a hero? Agito has been in it for himself since he was introduced into the manga. While his followers in the plotline think he's a hero. He's been far from it. He's a dictator in the making unless he manages to get killed in the process of taking out Chronos. Then he'll be remembered as a martyr. 

I see him as a villain fighting other villains for control. He wants revenge and he wants everything they have. 

Have you not noticed in the manga he's starting to behave more like them? He's turning people into a new type of zoanoids to fight for him........you know? He betrayed on Sho, who isn't the first person he's betrayed, and tried to kill him....?  Do you see where I'm going with this?

 While Chronos doesn't have to use a military to rule over people because of their telepathy. Agito would have to use other means like he's been using on Chronos with his men and turning his abused girlfriend into a zoalord to control those people for him. 

 While I'm not Yoshiki Takaya. I'm just theorizing.  I just know Agito said he wanted to wipe out Chronos and rule over mankind in one of the anime scenes. When one says rule, they're often speaking of Fascism, Juche, Monarch, etc. That leads to military keeping the peace. Of course they don't want to stroll around telling everyone what to do every minute of every day. That is tiresome. But the the kind of control I'm talking about is one ruled through fear and your lieutenants doing what you want without falter.

If someone tries to betray Agito. He simply has to intimidate them with the Guyver, wipe out any insurrection groups, or have them killed and people will keep serving him. He'll have those that support him and those that quietly hate him and plot his downfall. 

   Agito has control of military groups that he picked up in America that he united under him that want Chronos and it's leaders gone. He doesn't have any politicians in his  pocket like Chronos does. They turn everyone who serves them.  If he were to take over, he'd have to use his military at some point.  I assume Agito's men both fear and respect the super powers that he already wields. If he didn't have those super powers. They wouldn't have been so quick to follow him. 

I don't know what promises Agito has made the men following him during the year that the Segowa's went into hiding. 

On 1/25/2022 at 11:59 AM, Salkafar said:

 Be a slave to his absolute rule? 

I never said he was omnipotent or omnipresent just because he is equipped with alien technology to rule the world. I know we have members on this board that puts the guyver so high on the pedestal that they act as though they're like deities and that's absurd lol. They're far from it. Even the Gigantic's power is limited. You use too much power and it shuts down and kicks out the user and vanishes into a worm hole to recharge. A Monotheistic or polytheistic deity or dieties wouldn't need to do that.  

 

On 1/25/2022 at 11:59 AM, Salkafar said:

He'd have to delegate, but then you are already surrendering some of your power.

What dictator doesn't? Agito is like one of those cult leader type dictators that draw people to them because they're charismatic and they enlighten their followers. Their followers are completely blind and think they can do no wrong.

People thought Mussolini was great and wonderful for a while until they opened their eyes and saw that he was narcissist sociopath who was abusing his power and his supporters. It's no different than what Agito is doing with the Zeus Thunderbolt. He's suggesting that his supporters take part in human experimentation to become super soldiers, and they're dying for him. They don't know they're putting someone just as bad in place of someone else. 

Does Agito's men know his full motives? If they did they wouldn't serve him. He'd be stuck doing it on his own like Sho, Aptom and the Segowas are doing.  

Dictators never  fully give up their power. They always have someone else at the ready to take that person's place in case they royally aggravate them.  Hitler delegated out his power. Kim Jon Un has people that run his country for him while he sleeps around with other women, parties, and eats nice food while his people starve and when his subordinates annoy him, repeatedly fail him, or he thinks they're going to betray him he has them killed.  Stalin had people helping him run his government. Mussolini even had people supporting him and doing his bidding. 

On 1/25/2022 at 11:59 AM, Salkafar said:

He might become ruler of the world, but as an enlightened despot. Maybe even as just a sort of super-Batman - he doesn't rule the world, he just makes sure nobody else does, either.

That sounds completely out of his character. Last I saw, Agito  tried to kill Sho. Unless his fight with Sho changed his attitude as well as his perspective and world views, that remains to be seen. I don't see him as the type to share power or seat someone else the way he's behaved.  

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So you do think there is redemption for Agito?  Seeing how Sho shared the information of the Exceed to Agito in the last few chapters, could this have opened his eyes?  Or could this be a start of something more sinister?  If this were like any Shonen Manga, it would probably end with a showdown between Sho and Agito until they beat each other to a pulp, and then they end up as BFF.  Luckily, this is not a typical shonen manga.

Story-wise, although I feel we are nearing the climax, I think there are still a lot to explore.  The introduction of Guyver II F is an element that can potentially prolong the series.

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I've posted it before, but here is what I would do:

- Guyot eventually uses the unit remover on Female Guyver 2, becomes an imperfect Guyver Zoalord. he will kill Balcus and Shin

- Shizu will likely die to protect Agito, knowing she doesn't have much time left.

- Apollyon fails to kill Guyot on his own and is injured.

- Sho and Agito fight Guyot and with Agito's sacrifice, Guyot is destroyed

- Apollyon takes the dying Archanphel and the Ark into space.

- Sho lives on

Whether or not the remover exists to remove Sho's unit or not I dunno... I mean our theory that the Guyver unit makes one immortal is just that, a theory.

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13 hours ago, durendal said:

So you do think there is redemption for Agito?  Seeing how Sho shared the information of the Exceed to Agito in the last few chapters, could this have opened his eyes?  Or could this be a start of something more sinister?  If this were like any Shonen Manga, it would probably end with a showdown between Sho and Agito until they beat each other to a pulp, and then they end up as BFF.  Luckily, this is not a typical shonen manga.

Story-wise, although I feel we are nearing the climax, I think there are still a lot to explore.  The introduction of Guyver II F is an element that can potentially prolong the series.

Just wondering. Is the Zeus reference that Agito keeps using, Guyver 3's appearance, and his feud with Chronos hint towards the lore of the Shinto deity of thunder, Raijin? 

 

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On 2/10/2022 at 8:11 AM, MrDawn said:

Just wondering. Is the Zeus reference that Agito keeps using, Guyver 3's appearance, and his feud with Chronos hint towards the lore of the Shinto deity of thunder, Raijin? 

 

No, it's all Greek based thinking. Zeus is the Child of the God Kronos/Cronus, and was the God who eventually defeated him and became King of the Gods. Just like what Agito wants to do. Defeat Cronos and take over.

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