Thoughts on 2nd Generation Zoanoids

[LordSpleach]

I doubt the Guyver manga will go on for us to see children of 1st Generation Zoanoids(people who went through optimization), but I wonder what would happen. Would a kid of a Vamore and Razell transform into a Razell with Vamore's bio-lasers, or would he/she have to be optimized to achieve a zoaform?

I wonder....

[*Jess♥]

as yet we have not seen any female zoanoids.

it is possible that this is a reason why women wouldn't get processed? to avoid mixing of separate zoanoid types.

[*BananaKing]

Perhaps it makes you infertal? It could have a negative side-effect on woman because you rarely see any women in chronos

[LordSpleach]

That's possible, but doesn't that defeat Archanfel's purpose for having an army on the Ark. Even he should consider the possibility that it may take countless generations to find the Creators if at all. They would need female zoanoids to keep the journey going. Even though this hasn't been brought to the forefront in the manga, I'm sure Chronos would be researching how they would do the mating process, i.e. best partners for the 'job'.

Besides, it would be a bad idea to have a ship full of men on an intergalactic voyage.

[*Jess♥]

if the zoaforming works by attaching certain mollecules to hte DNA, they mollecules could be in each and every sperm cell that is produced.

this would make the zoanoid data being transferred from father to son.

that might pose a problem though if they have a daughter.

perhaps the zoanoid data is attached to hte x sex chromosone?

so if there are 2 Y sex chromosones, then there is no place for teh zoanoid data.

this makes sense because each zoanoid form is optimised.

if there were mixing of different types or diluting of the abilities, it would no longer be optimised.

it is a little confusing though... because as we have seen in the case of hyper zoanoids, certain DNA is more suitable for certain zoanoid traits.

perhaps a hyper zoanoid has more chance of siring a lost number?

and a mass production model such as gregole has more chance of siring healthy offspring.

maybe a hyper zoanoid has to have a genetically perfect mate. so all women have to go through a screening process to mate with a hyper zoanoid.

i can just imagine you get teh genetically perfect women and they are kept as 'queens' to give birth to all different hyper zoanoids.

[LordSpleach]

'queens'. Hmm. That would make sense for the elites, however who is going to be their 'pimp'. I volunteer my services.

[*BananaKing]

Get in line dude, Royalty comes first.

What if it made them hermaphrodites? It would explain why there are no women in chronos

[LordSpleach]

Hermaphrodites.....walks away silently.

By the way BK, about getting in line

[*BananaKing]

You know what's funny?......he works for me!

And it could be true, they could have the ability to reproduce without females

[LordSpleach]

You know what's funny?......he works for me!

Actually, he hates fruit and vegetables, and I offered him meat. Besides I have the Dragon dagger.

Anyway, back on topic. Asexual reproduction may be possible, but I still think it's a good idea to have women on the Ark. It's good for ship's morale.

[*Jess♥]

i thik it seems a bit complicated.

I mean, we have a working sexual reproductive system that work with male and female.

why would the creators make such drastic changes that makes women useless?

also, you remember that zoanoid guy that was trying it on with natsuki?

if they were asexual then hormones would have been changed and having guys who are running after women would be a problem.

reproduction is a strong instinct in humans.

[*Kenji Murakami]

Crossing a Razell with a Ranza produced offspring with higher athleticism, enhanced agility when compared with a normal human, and a natural affinity for both running and climbing. Crossing a Ramochis with a Sharru produced more physically robust offspring, with an affinity for either wrestling or swimming, depending on the child’s personal preferences. Even more combinations were possible; still, the coupling of a Hyper Zoanoid and even an enhanced female Zoanoid would result in offspring that were slightly weaker than the Hyper but only slightly stronger than the female.

It was well known that two Hyper Zoanoids would produce a much stronger child than a Hyper Zoanoid and a Standard Zoanoid, just as two Zoanoids produced a stronger child than a Zoanoid and a human. That was why these technicians were working to develop a female of the type. Cloning and gene-splicing, while they could be used to develop new Hyper Zoanoids, cost too much in time and resources to be a viable way of propagating the breed.

Well, that's my idea, anyway.

[Guest guyver zero]

Not to deter the conversation, but wasn't it stated that when zoaforms were made that the ability to reproduce was taken away?

[LordSpleach]

No that has never been stated. The only zoa-form that can't reproduce are Lost Numbers. That was probably a genetic back-up designed just in case the new zoa-form developed a resistance to the Creators' mind-control.

[durendal]

Perhaps the simplest reason why there are limited or no female zoanoids is just because of simple vanity? I mean, if you look at it, zoanoids are not exactly that "good looking". And women are somewhat vain to a degree.

Another possibility is that male zoanoids tend to have greater potential in muscular development. It's logical to use candidates that have the most potential. I may be wrong, but didn't they have screening process when they made zoaforming public?

[Salkafar]

My opinion? They keep women for breeding, just like the Kzinti do (but they have to because female Kzinti are not sentient). A single male can impregnate dozens of women (although that is not very good for diversity) so they would do much better as dispensible cannon fodder.

There is no reason why women should not be just as deadly Zoanoids - Zoanoids have no gender, after all.

Perhaps Zoanoids breed true. So a child would take after either one of the parents, but not both.

Also, perhaps it makes no difference at all - perhaps Zoanoids just give birth to normal babies, who still have to be Zoaformed when they´re old enough.

Perhaps. Perhaps! We don´t know. But the absence of women from Chronos´ upper echelons is a tactical oversight which will cost them.

[*Obsidian Ice]

I thought the humans were originally designed by the Creators to be agressive, adaptable and 'fruitful'. The females probably don't need to be Zoaformed at all, they just get knocked up by the Zoanoids in their human form, and the children can be Zoaformed at a later time if required, if the father's genetic legacy wasn't strong enough to pass on to the child.

[*YoungGuyver]

We've had lots of discussion on how zoaforming works in the past, and lots of time afterwards to reflect on it.

The best guess (and mind you, this is a guess and an opinion) is that certain parts of the DNA are changed to read and express other parts of the DNA in a completely different way. Human DNA share certain similarities with mice and chimps. What if a zoanoid has his DNA altered to express those traits-advance the musculature to match that of a guerrilla. Some zoanoids have extra weapons that probably couldn't be expressed in DNA, such as Vamore's bio lasers, perhaps what the data files mean when they says weapons are added in is that extra patches are added on to create the weapons (Creating an extra strand akin to Down syndrome).

If the control areas in the DNA being changed are in the male portion, then when having children, they would become full fledged regular zoanoids. This would mean that having regular human women around would allow you to breed the right kind of troop as the situation allows. So yes, load woman onto the Ark right before you leave on your long voyage. You'll save on processing tank time in the long run.

It's just a thought

[RazorLaser]

We've seen a female zoanoid in Dark Hero...

[Salkafar]

There was also a female in `Mutronics´, the abominable first live-action flick. She looked like a cross between Ramotith and Malcult (albeit with rather uncomfortably visible boobs), which brings us neatly back to the very first post.

I should draw a few femversions of zoanoids.

[*Del]

I have no idea about the "female zoanoids" and how the reproduction works. But i have other questions. I've forgotten most of the manga, but when did that spaceship/arc fly out of Earth? I think that if the 12 zoalords gather they'll use their energy to travel at light speed or something (which makes me wonder why didn't the 12 zoalods try to do this earlier).

[*YoungGuyver]

Don't get me wrong, I think it's 'possible' to make a girl into a zoanoid. But for the logistics of breeding troops on demand, I don't think you would want it.

And yes, It looks like the Ark is meant to have hyper drive, but it also has one incredible city styled life support system. It looks like they are gearing up for one long flight. I don't think they really know how long it will take them to find the creators