The Worst of the Worst

[W'Kar]

Let me know, who of Anubis generals do you see as the most vile of them all?

Don't count power, count sheer ruthlessness, cunning, morbidity and any other naughty words.

[Juggernought]

Gotta be the Black B*...uh Witch. For one thing she is pure evil by choice alone since she is the only general not brainwashed into following the order. And she takes pleasure in the suffering of others. Add to the fact she is the daughter and lover of Anubis i wouldn't be surprised if she is who she is just so that Anubis is kept alert and non complacent.

[McAvoy]

I say Malice because he is that without being converted by Anubis. He is like that all on his own and on top of that the W'Kar unit he has kinda doesn't mess with his emotions in that way but supposed to make him calm. So he is a calm pyschopath.

[W'Kar]

So far a tie between Zagam and Ereshkigal.

Hmm. Guys, gimme why you voted for whom!

[Juggernought]

Well i will continue my reasons for Ereshkigal...

1) Anubis placed her in charge of torturing all the conquered races at his temple. So obviously she has a deep taste for sadistic measures that he would entrust such a position.

2) She loves to toy with her victims, especially survivors of a battle or lycanlord processing.

3) She also took much pleasure in continuing the torture of Cassandra with her bare hands...tearing that woman's midsection to shreds and smiling as it was done.

4) As i mentioned before she is not a lycanlord, therefore unpredictable.

5) Able to take Dreadnought on and nearly killed him, probably would have with time and if Anubis hadn't desired him alive.

6) Seems she derives the same feeling of pleasure and power from the suffering of others similar to anubis.

7) Her whole demeanor is that of a perfectly sane and calculating woman but deep down a heartless demon...much like a Succubus.

[McAvoy]

Ereshkigal probably would not have defeated Dreadnought. Two things were going for him. His unit was starting to learn to adapt to the poison and two, he already defeated her once with a weak version of the Tsunami Wave. By the time sahe came back he would be at full power again, and almost. But even then, she would be overpowered by Dreadnought's brute power over her. But it was a good fight.

We don't know if she was converted to the way she is right now or she is naturally like that like Malice.

[Juggernought]

But then W'kar units adapt as well, don't you think that her unit would recognize the need to modify itself to be more effective against such a being? True, she was defeated but Dreadnought only held back because if he had used full power he would be forced to power down and the gigantic unit deactivating. He would have to take out her control medal in one shot for any chance at really defeating her. Plus dear ole daddy won't allow it to happen.

[*zeo]

Yes, W'Kar Units adapt but not nearly as fast or as well as WG's can.

Remember W'Kars are made for power while WG's are made for technological superiority.

For example remember W'Kar's vulnerability to extreme hot and cold was not fixed until he evolved.

WG's don't evolve but what they excell at is adapting, taking a weakness like enzyme acid and making the armor immune within seconds of exposure for example.

Though a normal WG probably wouldn't have a chance against Ereshkigal, after all adaptability only goes so far in bridging a power range gap, but Dreadnought is not only extremely powerful but also has the Matrix which can let him adapt to virtually anything short of the W'Kar Element.

A comparable battle for example would be when Dreadnought fought Crystallite in the 7 Days of Hell fic.

And fortunately W'Kar units equiped with W'Kar element are pretty rare.

As for the Worst of the Worst, I think it's relative. Each of them have something they are particularly evil at.

[McAvoy]

In other words, once Dreadnought adpats to it (since he is a combination of a WG and the most advanced piece of technology), he would end up defeating her, if Anubis never interfered.

It would be interesting in what part he would have played in the AAR if Anubis had no interest in him though.

[exscaped_pyscho]

I think it's relativley obvious that Dreadnought was getting the upper hand and would have defeated her. Otherwise why would Anubis deem it necessary to enter into combat himself? Dreadnought's adaptability would have made short work of her, it was only a matter of time. Anubis interveaned because simpley there is no one else who stands a snow balls chance in hell of taking Dready out. Dreadnought's power level and adaptability would allow him to eliminate virtually any oponant in one on one combat. If not for his weakness to the W'kar element he could have incompasitated if not elimated Anubis himself. Much in the way XT was able to nock Anubis out. When you look at the overall power level yes Anubis is powerful but Dreadnought could have kicked his butt if given enough time to adapt and locate some weakness of Anubis's. Dreadnought can't defeat Anubis, and I'm not saying he ever could. His inability to handle close proximity to Anubis made that clear. But Dreadnought could have defeated any other being within the order. That above all else is why Anubis recruted him, in my opinion. Dreadnought being able to open the gateway for Anubis to spread his reign into other realities was only a bonus. At the vary least those two reason where of equal importance to Anubis.

[McAvoy]

Dreadnought is not so powerful that he can take on anyone. His adapatibility takes him only so far. Basically what you are saying is that Dreadnought can take out a Guyver Zoalord. Anubis is so powerful even without that W'Kar element intervering with his Matrix that he can take down Dreadnought without breaking a sweat.

It's in combat where his power level is close or higher than his opponent but that opponent has an advantage over him where that adaptbility kicks in.

Anyway, I think Baphomet would definitely give Dreadnought a run for his money in one on one combat. If Malice was still around that also would be a one sided fight.

[exscaped_pyscho]

True Anubis could easily kill Dreadnought, but if you gave Dreadnought enough time and allowed him to adapt his abilities to better counter Anubis, Dreadnought could stand a chance of inflicting some damage on Anubis. But all in all, you absolutly currect. Dreadnought wouldn't stand a chance against something as powerful as Anubis. Unless he really flipped his lid and removed the Matrix's restraints, allowing it to alter his DNA.

Malice might give Dreadnought a good fight but if Dreadnought hit Malice with everything he's got and didn't let up for even a nano second, he could put Malice down for the count. Baphomet on the other hand would get the crap kicked out of him sooner or later. He doesn't possess a single ability that would be capable of killing Dreadnought, were Dreadnought could Matrix Bomb his sorry reanimated butt back to the freaking stone age. Not to mention the speed advantage Dreadnought has, his quantum time and quantum speed abilities, would see to it that Dreadnought could deliver simutanious attacks from multiple angles allowing him to over welm Baphomet. Then add in Dreadnought's HSL and Baphomet's in for a world of pain.

[McAvoy]

You are not getting the point. There is a such a huge difference in power levels between Anubis and Dreadnought that no amount of adaption would even the odds out. The only way is for Dreadnought to allow the Matrix to make him into a much stronger host like a hyper zoanoid or zoalord.

Again you are missing the point. Dreadnought is only 25x while Malice is 50x and Baphomet is 40x. Both of them are very advanced beings and while the Matrix would allow Dreadnought an edge in some areas, they have too much brute power over him.

[*zeo]

Well this isn't DBZ either, power level alone don't always decide the battles.

Dreadnought's base power level may be 25x but he can go 40x and he has power attacks like the Matrix Bomb that go beyond his power limit.

Also something you're perhaps missing, without the W'Kar element Anubis wouldn't be nearly as powerful as he is.

Never mind the Gravity Shield is also a good equilizer, specifically allowing WG to fight beings more powerful than himself.

He just has to fight smart and be careful not to leave himself vulnerable.

It is unlikely though for him fight the OOA all by himself and expect to survive long.

[McAvoy]

Without the W'Kar element it's probably around the 17x range considering the element is damaged therefore it wouldn't give the 100x enhancement. However despite the damaged element it is still too powerful for the Matrix to work near.

The Gravity Shield may give Dreadnought a chance, but let's consider Anubis is very intelligent and knows about the shield as well. He also has the ability to create any type of energy so he could attack Dreadnought with no gravitational energies therefore forcing Dreadnought to charge that shield with ambient gravitational energies. Which of course would take much longer for a sufficient charge, time which Dreadnought may not have.

The Matrix Bomb on the other hand would definitely allow Dreadnought to damage Anubis or if lucky enough kill him.

[*zeo]

Well lets remember the Gravity Shield doesn't just draw upon ambient gravitational energy, it can also draw from Dreadnought's gravitational power.

So he could do something like teleport away and quickly channel 100 or so full power pressure cannons into the shield, teleport back and then release it all at once.

Or he could teleport to near a black hole, super charge and teleport back with a big surprise.

There are many possibilities, I can imagine some pretty nasty surprises if he could lure Anubis near a black hole

The Matrix could also potentially alter the shield so it can work with other energy types, though that would take some concentration, or with sufficient charge the Gravity Shield could be used to manipulate other energy types like an accretion disc effect.

[exscaped_pyscho]

this is in essence what I was trying to get acrossed, Zeo. Given the right sercomstances Dreadnought could deliver a surprising level of destruction. No where near the levels Anubis can, but perhaps enough to the trick. But with the matrix unable to function around Anubis the point is rather moot. Although I found the 'what if' senaroi rather enjoyable, the fact is Dreadnought did go up against Anubis and now has been house broken and will fetch the news paper with a simple command. So in a sence McAvoy is correct, and in a sence Zeo is currect. Jason took out a Guyver Zoalord when he was only 4X. I'm really looking forward to seeing what he is capable of now that he could handle much more Gravitational Energy. BTW I was going to remind McAvoy of Dreadnought's ability to alter incoming energy to gravitational energy as, but I see Zeo beat me to it. I always love looking at a story from the perspective of a 'long shot.' And no way around it, Jason would be a serious long shot against anubis even without the effects of the Element on his Matrix.

Here's a thought could Dreadnought ever develop a adaptation to the W'kar Element? Perhaps the CM's shielding adapting to block it's effects? Or there is always the possibility of the dieing Matrix reversing the alterations made to Zagam's Matrix (yeah I know show-ball + hell = unlikly).

[McAvoy]

Dreadnought himself cannot alter the Red Matrix since the Blue Matrix of Dreadnought geared towards to enhancing the Warrior unit.

W'Kar element even damaged is too powerful for a single Matrix to work near effectively no matter the adaption.

It's all about tactics of course. Whether or not Anubis anyone else would allow themselves to be drawn into such a trap is anyone's guess.

[*zeo]

Dreadnought himself cannot alter the Red Matrix since the Blue Matrix of Dreadnought geared towards to enhancing the Warrior unit.

True but he was talking about Dreadnought altering his own Matrix to gain Red Matrix abilities, different issue.

Also, unlike the one who became Zagam, the present Dreadnought has a spare Matrix so other options are available to him.

W'Kar element even damaged is too powerful for a single Matrix to work near effectively no matter the adaption.

Yes, very true, the multi-dimensional properties of the W'Kar element are just too intense for the weak energy field of the Matrix to overcome. It would be like trying to contain an atomic explosion with an electromagnetic field... It may be possible but not very likely if all you got is house current to work with.

Like Jaws, they would need a bigger boat so to speak.

But that is assuming a confrontation only in its present configuration.

Though the ways it could adapt are very difficult and unlikely to be achieved anytime soon.

The Apothecary Unit for example shows the Matrix can work with the element when the energy levels aren't so lopsided.

It's just with Anubis they are very lopsided.

Consequently any solution would have to be extreme and thus unlikely to happen.

It's all about tactics of course. Whether or not Anubis anyone else would allow themselves to be drawn into such a trap is anyone's guess.

True, and Anubis multi-dimensional perception would make it almost impossible to surprise him.

Though that doesn't mean it is impossible, just very difficult and Dreadnought could still do things indirectly. The problem with the W'Kar element only comes into play with direct confrontation after all.

[McAvoy]

The only way I can think of Dreadnought doing a one on one battle (straight fight) is basically a WG2 Creator battle arena with hundreds of Matrixes affecting the W'Kar element in some way. Then Dreadnought can take on Anubis with a reasonable chance of winning.

But that's like giving a 50 pound kid a gun with all the training to use it effectively and a 200 pound boxer/UFC fighter....

[*zeo]

Could be because I think about these sort of things all the time but I can think of at least 5 ways for Dreadnought to even the odds.

None of them are easy though.

[McAvoy]

Well I have a few as well. But they're unlikely to suceed or Jason would be unwilling to do it. Like some have said before, Dreadnought becoming Dreadnought Zoalord would definitely kill Anubis (crazy thought... a Dreadnought Master Zoalord... he would look at Anubis and it would kill him). Multiple Matrixes working on Anubis would be a second. Your idea of using gravity from a black hole could seriously damage or kill Anubis.

[Aranor]

If I recall correctly the second matrix at the moment is in need of repairing itself but I'm curious, should it become whole again. Could the two matrixes merge as one? Something like a unit and its gigantic counterpart.

I know in his current state he is in a bit of a pickle but perhaps merging the two (If possible) with the second still in need of repair could open up some possibilities. (Even if his body is the limiting factor it might still allow him to do two things at once)

[exscaped_pyscho]

I was thinking that if the Matrix in Dreadnought's CM focused on just shielding itself from the multi-dementional energies from the W'kar element it might be able to allow the unit to function within it's normal parameters. Kinda like standing on a beach and trying to hold back the ocean, when all you need if a sand bar around you to shift the water around you. Although I don't see this as being a long term tactic. If you stick with 'holding the back the ocean' metaphor, the sand bar would quickly be eroded and Jason would still eventually get wet.

Ways Dreadnought could defeat Anubis....well McAvoy covered gentic alterations to Jason, Gravity from a Black Hole, and multiple Matrixes. So there are two potentials left.....Dreadnought could always prevent Anubis from being created, via time travel (perhaps destroying W'kar before he evolved into Anubis), or Perhaps adapting/designing a weapon specifically to destroy the W'kar Element (Kinda like the Ancient Killing device from SG-1). Those are my guesses.

[McAvoy]

Time travel may not be possible anymore while within the GWotG universe.

It is possible to create a weapon to destablize or destroy the W'Kar element but in reality only a decently intelligent Creator is capable of that, like Dibblis. Grend might but it would take time. Or it could not be even possible at all. But creating a weapon like that in a fight is hihgly unlikely since Jason is more intelligent than any other human.

Merging of the Matrixes might be possible. But I don't think it would be like a unit and Gigantic relationship. It would be like the Fusion of the DBZ/GT but probably permanent.