HSL energy/Hyperspace beings

[Kamui de' Tempest]

With everything that has been said in reference to to Jason. I think that there is much more to him than is outwardly apperent. As W'Kar is a Multiversed inclined being, could not the same be said for Jason later on. I mean, he could be influencing dimensional barriers on a subconscious level. That has pretty far reaching implications by itself.

[largo]

And because of all that Anubis was able to create Zagam. Which would give Anubis the ablity to spread his campaign o horror to other dimensions.

On a side not you could also say that Jason's going to help Ira is what allowed for the creation of my fics character.

[Weltall2]

In this thread we have been discussing Dready's time taveling and dimension hopping, as things that anger the Kregen. However we havenot discused the potential effect of Dreadnoughts weapon systems. As you have said Zeo Dreadnought Matrix Bomb is A Zero Point Energy Weapon. As it redistributes the energy of Space-Time, would this also have an undesireable effect from the Kregen's perspective.

[Juggernought]

He's only used that weapon once in Female WG's Universe right? If i'm correct, so far the effects have yet to be felt. The only outcome i see is that the fate of that universe world has been altered.

[W'Kar]

What many of you have yet to consider is this:

The Kregen are not human.

Thus their motivations and perceptions are vastly different. Human morality is moot to them. So what if one dimension has the loss of the human race? What will it really do to them, or the rest of the multiverse for that matter? On the scale of things we are but rats in the city, but one rat brought the black death and now things are spreading. Would humans care about the rat population or would they want to stop plague from wiping out their population?

W'Kar is in a natural state, true. But is he still now? Remember, what would have happened in the GWOTG universe should Dreadnought and gang not come to the rescue? W'Kar would have likely died in battle, and the death of a True W'Kar comes with the explosion of the W'Kar Element wiping out Atrahasis and all threat involving that, without damaging the multiverse or anything else involved (well, at that level of power anyway). Is it not possible Greg was meant to be destroyed by the Atrahasis, thereby relieving the threat of a nearly fully developed W'Kar from showing up? The Kregen work in time frames we cannot fathom naturally and have things to consider no one else would.

Plus, remember, W'Kar absorbs energy constantly in an attempt to heal himself from a damaged state and return to normal, which is why he evolves sometimes. That temporal energy caused by that paradox was absorbed too granting W'Kar one of the largest energy boosts he could ask for. Could that energy be responsible for W'Kars evolution into Anubis? Where did the personality of Anubis come from? It is all very theoretical.

Fact is, Jason came to the rescue in the GWOTG universe. It altered the future of that world in a very significant manner, enough to make an enemy who in the future could spread to alternate realities as he is nearly done finishing his own off.

Fact is, the Kregen are not infallible, but they are certainly not moral as well.

Theory is, Jason could have inadvertantly brought upon Anubis creation.

Theory is, Jason could be responsible (at least by proxy) for the deaths and multiliation of entire worlds and potentially even future universes he has yet to even know of.

And all of this is simply because he was the one who created the universes greatest paradox.

Does that make him the bad guy? Certainly not, but to the Kregen he is a plague on the order of the universe. You must cure the plague, don't you?

[xtro guyver]

Now this is the messy situations that make these stoires so very interesting, the only possitive so far from jasons interaction with GWOG universe is that Wkar was duplicated as well, and the duplicate will hopfuly not become another anubis.

Though I bet the kregan don't like Zagam in the least, he has to be an even worse paradox then jason in WG universe is.

[largo]

Xtro Guyver wrote:

Though I bet the kregan don't like Zagam in the least, he has to be an even worse paradox then jason in WG universe is.

Seriously with Zagam Anubis has become a threat maybe even to the Kregen.

[W'Kar]

Now this is the messy situations that make these stoires so very interesting, the only possitive so far from jasons interaction with GWOG universe is that Wkar was duplicated as well, and the duplicate will hopfuly not become another anubis.

Though I bet the kregan don't like Zagam in the least, he has to be an even worse paradox then jason in WG universe is.

Was it really a positive thing?

Or are you just creating a form of evil to fight another form of evil?

[largo]

Well don't we uses buttered down versions of viruses to combat the real deal through the use of vaccens(sp?).

[W'Kar]

Well don't we uses buttered down versions of viruses to combat the real deal through the use of vaccens(sp?).

Yes, but I don't believe comparing Anubis and W'Kar to a virus is an appropriate comparison.

[Ultimate W'kar]

But doesn't the barrier have more to do with WG2's creators than Jasons actions. I dont know it seems to me the kreegen are nitpicking. I mean Jason cant be the only one breaking the rules. In addition who elected the kreegen as the ultimate authority on temporal damage. I mean the creators have said they think time itself is alive, and will work to fix any damage infilted. Further the comment 'time itself' is a singular phrase, so that to me indicates a single entity rather than a race of people. Also the W'kar element itself is more of a threat than Jasons limited temporal jumps. While we are on that track let us not that Jason is not changing the past every day. Jason just like anyone else knows changing the past is a dangerous thing to do. Also he has been forced to time travel more than once, so I really don't get the Kreegens outrage.

Here is something else to chew on, could the kreegens interference with other dimension be considered a breach in itself?

the only way that the time could restore the balance is by destroing the thing that rurend the balance first and thats to destroy anubis and his ""Order.

[Kamui de' Tempest]

the only way that the time could restore the balance is by destroing the thing that rurend the balance first and thats to destroy anubis and his ""Order.

That maybe true.....BUT, Anubis wouldn't of even happened if it wasn't for Jason's (Dreadnaught's) interference in thier universe/dimension or what may have you. Wether intentional or unintentional 'ol Dready had a part to play in the unfolding of events that led to Anubis's creation.

The Creation of Anubis is proof to the Kregens of this, the barrier would have contained the damage but with Jason traveling to other realities he basically violated quaratine and is spreading the paradox to other realities.

So as bad as Anubis may be he is still just the symptom while Jason is the Cause to the Kregen. If Jason travels to any other realities then the damage would be spread even further throughout the multiverse.

Edited April 22, 2007 by Guest

[*zeo]

, uhm, if you're agreeing with me why form it as a "But"?

[Kamui de' Tempest]

That wasn't directed at you Zeo1234, it was directed at ultimate W'Kar.

[*zeo]

Ah, okay, but to avoid confusion quote the person you are responding to next time.

[Dorian Michaels]

If it were anyone else but the Order of Anubis, I would say the conqueror-- in this case, the plague. If what they have done is any indication of what they are going to do when they go to other realities; it seems, at least from what I have been reading, that if the Order enters your Universe, your best course of action is to load a gun, put it in your mouth, make peace with your god, then pull the trigger. Better than some of the alternatives.

But a question. If it was an anomaly that jackal-head (Anubis) even existed, then the Kregen would have to know about it, right? And if they do, would they know he's massing an army and is going to be coming right at them? Check me if I'm wrong, I'm just theorizing. Is it possible that one reason why they wanted to kill Jason because they did not want Anubis being let loose in the Multiverse? It is a wild idea, I know, but a thought. I know the primary threat would be the Multiverse being destroyed one part at a time ala-Crisis on Infinite Earths, but if things like Anubis are what are created by mishaps like these, I'd try to at least contain them if not destroy them. Could that be a secondary reason? I believe it was W'Kar that compared beings in the Multiverse as rats in a maze compared to the Kregen, but whoopsie, one of them has brought a nasty surprise with him, and we all know what one plague infected rat did to Medieval Europe. I know one way you contain a disease is not only destroy the infection at its source, you quarantine the infected, ASAP before any more crop up. If my understanding is correct, Anubis is the absolute worst thing to come out of the 'infection' of things existing that should never have. The Creators of the WG2 Universe slapped that barrier on the WG universe because of the fear of the Guyver Zoalord, let alone something like a Warrior Guyver Zoalord, so we know they did it for that reason, or so it would seem.

[Spartan Warlord]

surely the kregan shud have for seen Anubis...i dnt fink killing dreddy wud stop Anubis from invading other dimensions jus slow him down...his intellect rivals that of the creators so at one point Anubis wud have developed the tech to go into other dimensions regaurdless of dreddy