Teleportation

[*Yom]

We talk about teleportation of the Zoalords in another thread.

Those who clearly can are :

- Alkamphel

- Cabral Khan

- Yentsui

- The Black Knight

Those who seems to be unable to :

- Shin (flyed to help Purgstall)

- Purgstall (flyed to meet the Gigantic)

- Balcus (escaped the arizona base thanks to yentsui)

- Guyot (escaped from Alkanphel, simply running)

Not sure :

All the others...

BUT

How did all the zoalords appear at the top of Relic Point in book 08 ???

They appear in a big thunderbolt, just like they came for the sky... Do they used an unknown power of Purgstall ??

I don't think that Alkanphel made them appear here. He was fighting Guyot.

Any idea ??

[*Jess♥]

I think that...

judging from purgstals ability type.. he is long distance and not good at close combat.. that makes me think he is a kinda long winded kinda fella.

so I think that purgstal is capable of very strong teleport, but he has to generate the power first of all.

maybe he can generate a huge amount of electro static energy and use that as a conductor of sorts.

[*zeo]

How did all the zoalords appear at the top of Relic Point in book 08 ???

They appear in a big thunderbolt, just like they came for the sky... Do they used an unknown power of Purgstall ??

I don't think that Alkanphel made them appear here. He was fighting Guyot.

Any idea ??

Well for one thing we're just assuming they teleported there. All we know for sure was there was lightning strike where they appeared.

They could just as easily have flown there and their combined power induced a lightning strike.

Other possibility is that they are capable of long distance teleporting but not close distance.

There is also the energy requirement to consider, it may simply not always be an option for the less powerful Zoalords.

Shin for example may have flown to conserve energy for the battle. Ditto for Purg'stall as he already had some idea of the Gigantic's power.

[Guest Unknown_Guyver]

Nicely pointed there. I believe it personally depends on their elements.

Yentsui uses his attacks to cut rifts so that could let him cut a rift between a certain space in time but it appears it may go only for a certain distence but its unknown how far it can truly go. Shin on the another hand can travel at a very fast speed in human state, this does not mean that his Zoalord form cannot go faster or travelat faster speeds without teleportation.

But Yom I think ur forgetting about one major fact Book 8. The 9 zoalords all teleported to the Relics Point at once. Now you cannot say that Yentsui used his attack to transport them there because how would Yentsui be able to put his uniform back on him?

I think all of them have what it takes to teleport but it may consume lots of enegy to do so.

[Super Existence]

Yentsui's portholes cannot go that far, surely he would have opened a porthole into Chronos Japan or another US branch to send Balcus to instead of leaving him in the middle of Monument valley.

Also if you look at how Kahn teleported he simply faded and reappeared near Aptom when he turned him to stone. Alcanphel's was definitley long range coming from the otherside of the world and seemed a bit more energetic creating that strange wormhole opening.

Surely if Kahn could travel as far as alchy his travel would look similar to alchy's at least. Seems to me the fading reappearing kind is relatively short range.

[*BananaKing]

I'm starting to think that teleportation is not a zoalord's median of travel at all. I agree with the earlier statement that the combined zoalord powers induced a lightning bolt. I'm thinking that the zoalords were transported to save energy or they used enhanced speed to reach relics point. The fact that Khan did not make a distortion in space time, makes me question a teleportation ability. Something of teleportations magnitude of power has to distort space-time, you can't just appear somewhere; it doesn't seem logical.

Isn't teleporting just traveling at such an intense speed that the time it takes is instantaneous? We need to know if force and momentum come into play, cause if they do, wouldn't super-sonic travel create and intense force and/or momuntum? If so, then the forces' impact when reentering space time would have to distort something!

Bare in mind, I'm no master of science so if I'm getting my facts wrong here, then please let me know.

[*Yom]

But Yom I think ur forgetting about one major fact Book 8. The 9 zoalords all teleported to the Relics Point at once.

well... that the reason why i ask "How did all the zoalords appear"... i meant, how did all the zoalords appear at the same time in a tunderbolt ?

:wink:

I'm starting to think that teleportation is not a zoalord's median of travel at all.

Except for Alkanphel... even if his teleportation style looks like he "opens" space to go through. He's been able to come back from Guyot's black hole.

[*BananaKing]

Well I just found this piece on teleportation it might help us come to a conclusion on the matter:

"Teleportation is the movement of objects or elementary particles from one place to another, more or less instantaneously, without traveling through space.

With present techniques, "exact" quantum teleportation is possible only with photons and atoms.[1] "Inexact" teleportation (where quantum states are not preserved), is possible by encoding information about an object, transmitting the information to another place, such as by radio or an electric signal, and creating a copy of the original object in the new location." - wikipedia

Though some believe wikipedia is not a reliable source, I think anyone who can say that about teleportation must have some knowledge on the subject. But since it says: "without traveling through space" I have to question my earlier statment about traveling through space-time.

[*Jess♥]

teleportation means 'disappear here, appear there'

I don't think we really need to go into detail defining teleportation.

I really don't think we need to set about differentiating between 'teleporting' and 'moving fast'.

but let's be sure what we are actually discussing.

alkanphel appears to travel by opening a rift in space, probably through hte boost dimension.

that is not teleporting per-se... more wormhole jumping or something....

so thi is not really related to what khan did when he captured aptom.

also it may or may not be related to what happened back at the minakami incident. what they did there could have been something akin to "ride the lightening" and could be a manner of transportation reserved for purgstal. how is it different?

maybe he worked together with khan... maybe because khan seems to have control over biological systems and structure.. thereby being able to change aptom into 'stone'... so khan may have been able to take the essence of all of them and convert it into purgstals electricity or something....

whatever it was, it must have been pretty messed up to impliment.

but this is NOTHING like opening a rift in time and space.

[*Yom]

thereby being able to change aptom into 'stone'...

It's not the subject here, but Aptom turned to stone because his cells weren't able to absorb Cabral's adn. It made a "bug". :wink:

[*Jess♥]

It's not the subject here, but Aptom turned to stone because his cells weren't able to absorb Cabral's adn. It made a "bug". :wink:

While there may be People here that need correcting now and then, i'm not one of them and you should know that by now.

aptom was turned into stone by cablarl tampering with his constitution.

[*Yom]

While there may be People here that need correcting now and then, i'm not one of them and you should know that by now.

Sorry if you get offended with my answer... but this board is here for arguing on anything about guyver, right ?

I just meant that if you are wrong about Cabral's control over biological systems, he could not work together with Purgstall. Which bring us back to the beginning : how did they do to appear all together in a second ?

[*Jess♥]

of course, yes it is for debating.

i just prefer if you have an issue with what i said, ask me about it instead of telling me I'm wrong.

that's just rude and causes arguments.

I just meant that if you are wrong about Cabral's control over biological systems, he could not work together with Purgstall. Which bring us back to the beginning : how did they do to appear all together in a second ?

you should explain more. if you think i am wrong then please explain why.

cablarl can control the constitution of cells..

perhaps the zoacrystal repels attacks against it(as aptom stated), but this would not be an attack. if they allowed cablarl to set their cells in a particular state, then yes cablarl could indeed work with purgstal.

but this could be open to debate on hte finer points of how the cells would need to be changed in order to 'ride the lightning'.

not that it has to be cablarls doing. it is just one possibility...

perhaps this particular mode of travel is part and parcel with unravelling purgstal powers..

how does purgstal control lightning?

perhaps it is something to do with ionising the air?

he doesn't hold a charge like elegen, he actually seems to control the air to produce the stormclouds and the position of lightning strikes.

being able to ionise particles like this... and especially over long ranges.. makes a good case for him being able to make some form of transport.

[Larz Zahn]

im not that smart or anywhere near scientisty enough to really understand all what ya just said ryuki , so i gotta question. purgstall was damaged by his own lightening attack by sho when he hit purgstall as the lightenting struck sho. (i believe i got that right) so purgstalls not immune to his own power.

now my question is this...

would the ionising the air or riding the lightening as transportation damage those who used it? i can understand it if khan did have a form of matter conversion then they would all be transformed into lightening and no harm. But im not following how lightening could be used to transport another way. i guess in my mind i keep seeing ppl get fried!! haha

Edited June 10, 2008 by Larz Zahn

[Super Existence]

Purgstall was not damaged by his own lightning, GG used his power punch at the moment of impact. It's power was diminshed by the lightning bolt but it was enough to caue internal injuries to Purgstall.

[Larz Zahn]

Ah gotcha! that explains it. guess i need to pay better attention and reread everything. thanks SE. Please disregard my previous post!

[*Jess♥]

well now I that i am thinking more clearly...

no more university work to be done..

I am thinking about how teleportation could work.

i am unsure about lightning carrying molecullar patterns. it seems odd.

lightning is electricity, and electricity is movement of electrons very quickly from atom to atom.

it's a transfer of energy..

so really... that would require a conversion of a zoalords body to energy.

that seems a bit overelaborate to me.

thing is... teh lghtning strikes when they arrive.. so.. electricity could be related.

the gigantic Guyver creates a barrier technique. he does it using electromagnetic energy fields.. i believe.. I think we have had this confirmed.

teh zoalords can also create teh barrier.. so I think it is feasible to say all zoalords create a powerful EM field at will.

so purgstal could augment their barrier by using his elecrticity power.

I think that is a pretty safe assumption.

we know that khan can teleport... if he was powered up by a huge jolt of energy, could he perhaps extend the range of his teleport effect?

[Guest Frozen]

In the Anime it showed us the had the meeting in arizona in the afternoon the next day they showed up in japan

maybe they took the first flight to japan ;o or fly there ;o they had more than enough time.

Am not sure though about the difference time btween arizona and japan gotta do that later

but alkanphel confronted aptom somewhere past midnight before dawn? then Gyout created

his black hole afternoon? am not sure but maybe they had enough time to just fly or get on a plane.

[Larz Zahn]

Its just my opinion but the part where khan teleports behind aptom... it sorta looks like superspeed to me. like the blacknight inside the ark.

[*Del]

My answer to this question is more philosophical.I think that their combined efforts made it.It's like they gave their energy to Khan,who in return teleported all of them,that thing with the lighting teleportation maybe is the most logical,since Purgstall controns this element.Now that we're talking about teleportation how do you think Khan managed to trace Aptom while he was still in his rockets state.

[Larz Zahn]

um. good question. I guess he could of noticed the small cloud of missles NOT attacking them and put two and two together and got stoned aptom.

[*V Guyver]

He probably noticed them a suspecious number converging at one point while the others went in different directions.

"and got stoned aptom."

dude, you got me imagining Aptom stoned now. XD

Aptom: "Sho man, the universe spoke to me man. I went like WOW, then the universe went WOW, and then were were like both... WOW"

[durendal]

With regards to the 12 zoalords appearing on top of relics point, would it be so hard to believe that they flew really really fast and have Purugsthal make a lightning just to make an effect on their landing? Thunder and lightning do intimidate. Perhaps that's what they were trying to do. Or perhaps the lightning was the effect of the sonic boom created by their flight.

[Larz Zahn]

it could even of been a result of guyots artifical black hole, it was wrecking havok with the clouds.

[*V Guyver]

with all that energy surrounding them, the lighting could simply of been attracted to them or maybe Purgstall simply acted as a zoalord lighting rod. Who knows? I'm leaning towards it being a combined effort for instant teleportation.