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do you mean this? I'm sorry, I do not remember a part in insurrection with a girder like structure. I don't doubt what you say, i just don't remember. i can kinda acknowledge the ship perhaps not being christened yet, i guess they were all rushing out to get to that place. i didn't get the impression anything was still under construction, but it is possible.

what i was referring to with the engineering area, is the way it seemed naked. it had steel girder like structures and looked like they had just decided not to put walls inbetween them. looking at starship designs throughout star trek, you see that engineering is the home of the computer. also, most everything is controlled by the computer and the walls are used to house electronic circuits, computer consoles and conduits etc. this engineering looked more like something from a borg cube rather than a federation ship. it was bare and skeleton like. apart from the issues with normal federation aesthetics, it's bad starship design anyway. a starship is a strcuture designed to operate in space, therefore good design includes many bulkheads and many opportunities to seal off areas incase of hull breach. it just seemed very out of place. well it wasn't featured very heavily anyhow and i have only seen it once. that was just my first impression. in my view, engineering section of a federation ship should not have girder like structures and/or framework. i understand what you say about bayformers... but i do think it's not really the same. transformers has had many different series and they have re-written that story many times. star trek on the other hand has always had a very solid continuity. all the series and all the films have always stuck with the same continuity, the same basic aesthetics etc. it's a bit of a cheap shot to change somethig so radically and not even make it clear. i think it would have been a lot less of a affront if the film maker had made it clear that this was not a historical recollection. actualy by my own standard of what i said there, transformers was pretty bad. since it called itself 'transformers', not 'transformers alien lookig robots' so in that respect it's the same thing. but well, the traioler of transformers made it clear that the designs were so radically different. I think the trailers for this film have been very misleading in that respect.

I'm not doing this just to complain about the movie, but I do think the ship design could be better. so I did a couple of edits to bring it more in line with the original design. just to see what it would look like. and i think it's quite nice. from the first time i saw their new design, i thought the engineering section was just too far forwards. also, i thought that the bulky naycelles were very ugly. and lastly, I disliked the change of colours. so here you go, and lets see what you think. remember, this is supposed to be the original enterprise, not the refit that was featured in the motion picture.

for what reason are you posting it here? I am removing it because this movie is widely available in the west on DVD. plus the fact that 90 percent of members here are guyver fans and have seen this film. most of us own it. and it's not really a 'cool video', since it is just a rip from hte movie and doesn't say anything interesting or new about that particular section.

bobby, what are we supposed to be looking at there?

I would be very happy if the producers of this new star trek film could furnish it with the same love and dedication that the producers of traditional star trek. what worries me is that this seems like a one-off thing. if this were a series, I would be far more willing to accept it. it's just that this seems to me like throwaway entertainment. I know star trek has ended. In my mind, I have had closure for the star trek universe, in the form of the quote that now takes it's place in my signature " If there is one ideal that the Federation holds most dear it is that all men... all races can be united. What better example than a Starfleet captain standing in the Romulan Senate. Nothing would make me more proud than to take your hand in friendship... in time... when that trust has been earned." the romulans were introduced in the early episodes of the original series and now that they have had closure in this respect in hte movie nemesis, I felt that star trek was finished. I had the impression that this movie was supposed to be a celebration of star trek, but now i know it isn't a celebration of star trek in the way i expected. instead it is a money making scheme. it's fine, this appeals to people in a different way, but I do not feel that this fits in with the franchise I have known. it's new it's different, not to be compared to the original. it has different sensibilities. the traditional star trek model, relies on sound scientific reasoning, and good consistent design. this new star trek seems to focus more on hte characters and on action. for example, federation starships have never had an open and industrial look to the engineering section. even in the 'ancient' times of 'enterprise', the warp core was compact and the room was enclosed with solid walls. a federation bridge has always been open and accessible with unobtrusive displays. with regards to science, I found the remark by scotty to be particularly stupid , he was surprised that space was moving and not the ship, which is ridiculous since that's the whole basis for warp travel. for such a guy who was working on such advanced things to do with transporters, to suggest he didn't know that is just ridiculous.

yes, I think the fact that i have kinda approached star trek in reverse may confuse things somewhat. I have been exposed to hte star trek films my whole life and i always detested them. then recently i started watching, starting with hte next generation and only now moving onto the original series. however, If i look at it from the angel of TOS, moving onweard toward 'enterprise', I think i can see why some people might celebrate this... because i know that many original fans detested enterprise. of course there is teh factor that I am a designer and i did focus very much on the set and ship designs.

now I think about it, I'm thinking it can be considered an affront to all things star trek. the reason I say this is because of the choice to call it 'star trek'. since people refer to 'star trek', the original series, as 'TOS' the creators of this movie are going along with such complete arrogance to set this film on a pedestal above the oproginal series by calling it 'star trek'. (I shaln't call it star trek, I'll call it star trek XI. or jj trek.) I think this is insulting. this is teh kind of film that people will love, but after a couple of months or years it will be forgotten. gene ropddenberry left a legacy. this was a series that spanned 3 seasons and a further series that spanned 7 seasons spread over 40 years... each story in this is designed to teach a lifes lesson. this film did a great job of creating a facsimile of the original series, but it will never surpass it. it became popular for a reason. I can still watch it today for a reason. (I NEVER watch old stuff, i find it annoying) having never seen the original series, I find that i can watch and enjoy it in a way I never can with any other old series. it seems to me the hole idea of this film is to wipe teh slate clean and start again. essentially it's saying that all of the 40 years of star trek is just 'not good enough'. jj abrams is in effect, pissing all over gene roddenberry's grave. I thik it's the title that has got me thinking this way more than anything. it's beyond arrogant. I don't even think there's a word to describe how that seems to me. I mean, galaxy quest parodied a lot about star trek and things like that. i loved it. but it's like this film is trying to REPLACE all that has been so far. I guess how i feel about this film, is the same as how i would feel about a person who came along, looked at a picasso in an art gallery and took it down and put their own version in its place. once again, I wouldn't be up in arms over it, I don't think al lthese things are sacred, I would just think it to be very insulting.

i don't want to do any animation on this. i give you permission to add a background and an animated glimmer effect on him. or if you want to ask somebody to do that, I will allow that.

it's possible but it would ruin the transparency. I would have made it a gif, but i decided to make it a png. much finer. if you're using a decent browser, you will see it is transparent.

if you could draw like that, you would be called yoshiki takaya. is the avatar suitable btw? it took me a while to decide on the right size and colour balance.

woah, hold on, I didn't say it didn't have anything that remained faithful. I was referring to the designs. I can appreciate many of the other stuff, it just kinda got lost as teh film drew to a close. I loved the opening of the movie. and no, I didn't read anything about this. I had no idea about the design and the story. but i should point out.. adding in some incidentals does not make something faithful. I mean the incidental event of having a random redshirt getting killed.. not really significant. there were many things in this that fit with characters and events etc, this was in a way 'homage' to the original series, not sticking with it. the changes they have made, remove it from the original in a way that it cannot be considered the same. I ws reading an article on ex-scientia website and the guy said pretty much all the things i was thinking. http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles...ise_comment.htm I know some people might make the mmistake of thinking i'm some trekie or a purist or whatever.. but no, I'm not being unreasonable, when i see a film called "star trek" I expect star trek, but this is "star trek - alternate universe" . for anybody who has no presuppositions, this is very jarring and leaves an odd taste in the mouth. it's like eating something labelled potatoes, and finding out that it is actually sweet potato.

Hey kenji, I made an alternate version for you. more colourful, the room is well lit this time. of course it is not just for kenji, anyone can use this

here. I can make him brighter and more colourful if you want.

of course, you can have it as your desktop. that's what it's for! but do not use this for an avatar. it is not suited. I will provide a avatar for you. please stand by.

i wasn't too thrilled to be honest. at the start of it i thought it was prety good, but towards teh end, it became more of a role call - explosion - parody. actually, at the end part of the movie, i was thinking less 'star trek' and more 'galaxy quest'. i was puzzled as to why the ship was different, as this is supposed to be the exact same ship from the original series. but this was obviously totally different in design and also the insides were totally different, since when did ship builder become so careless that they left everything open and neglected to fit walls in engineering sections. since when ws teh design of the original series era, looking more like teh design of 50 years later. i was half expecting them to say, this is a initial design they were trying out. i half expected at the end, the force of the singularity to strip away that stupid body moulding and reveal the proper shape underneath. but no. this is so far removed from the original trek design, this is nothing like trek design that i know of. after learning that this is now a it no longer seemed to matter what happened. there was no consequence to any of teh characters I knw from star trek so what do i care what happens? out of all star trek movies i have seen, this is THE WORST at being star trek. it's not a terrible movie in it's own rite, it's not amazing, but i did find it made me a little sleepy. so it's not a terrible movie, it's just a absolutely awful star trek movie. I'm not a trekkie though. don't misunderstand. I'm not out for blood. but i have watched every episode of every season of every series except for the original series. (i'm almost a third of teh way through watchingt that now) i at least expect things to remain faithful, this is not faithful IMO.

yeah, i can redo this newer one. it's just after about 5 hours of work, I didn't want to play around with colours too much. mayhap i go back to it, I'll add more shading and make the colours brighter.

yeah cheers bbdude, that is exactly why i did it. I looked at that old wallpaper and i did not appreciate it. I wanted a much better version. i might decided to add more work onto this one. perhaps some extra shadowing.

i have mine on a desktop rotation. i have a collection of a number of wallpapers. it changes every half hour or so.

I started this ages ago. must be half a year ago. it's vector based so if anybody wishes to get a larger version, I can provide. also, if somebody i trust wishes to make something, I can provide, and they can change colours, add effects etc. (somebody i trust means that i don't wish to give my source file to a stranger who could plagiarise my work)

tomorrow? wow, that's soon! I don't have the funds right now, dammit.

cheers bobby! takeru satou is so cool!

I did a shitload of stuff on this. any thoughts on what i did?

i think it needs the words. the images are very good.

we have been waiting a long time for these. they should have been released ages ago!!