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it's obvious to me on the very first look, that is a fantasy, what-if scenario. this is not based on any real creature. it says quite clearly "fantasy made real" . it doesn't say, fatasy has turned out to be reality, they said MADE real. in other words, they made it. but if you want discussion on wether or not dragons could be real... it depends. I say yes. because i believe that many things are possible outside humanity's little 'bubble' of 'accepted fact'. if you want to ask, within the chronicles of accepted genetics and physics etc, no a dragon is not really a likely outcome of any evolutionary chain. I believe a dragon is real because it exists inside the mind of mankind. think of the film, the neverewnding story. mans imagination ives rise to a real world that is in a sort of other dimension. anything you can dream up in your mind, actually exists. you just can't physically go there with this body. that's my view on it. there are other concepts and views. one way to view it is that dragons are spirits of the mountains. they guard the treasure (naturally occuring minerals) under the mountain and are the cause of cave-ins etc. another way to view it is that dragons are actually silicon based lifeforms living within the magma inside the earth.

what is that site based on? and how accurate do you think it can truly be? ex-astris-scientia has it at 295m. which, when looking at the windows, makes perfect sense.

this is true, if you are looking at the engineering compared to just the neck. I did consider it. one part of me is saying I should give teh guys a break and try and appreciate what they did, another part of me is saying, why the hell should i make excuses for them? well even when i looked at that proportion and thought that part looked the same, I still thought it looked wrong. it felt wrong. i looked at the balance of the enterprise as i feel it should be. it looks like a graceful swan in some ways. but more important, it looks like it is leaning forwards. this is due to hte balance being thrown forwards, the engineering is mostly outside the dish. but with the new one, the engineering is mostly underneath the dish. it doesn't look like it leaning. this is why it feels wrong to me. I felt like the enterprise always looked graceful, but now it doesn't look gracefrul. actually i have thought about the artistic merits of this design and i disagree with it because it does something that reall irks me. something that has really bothered me about this new star trek. sex. they seem to focus on it in a way star trek never has. it's hard to explain.. but when i looked at it, this new enteprise i realised what the designer had done. the designer had changed teh engineering section into the enterprises 'gear'. it's supposed to be the body, but now it is it's 'tackle'. it takes away the innocense and purity of star trek for me. i am not a very sex focused individual, I keep that part of me to places and times where it is appropriate, so that is something i love about the star trek universe. it has always been appropriate. but this new one is not appropriate in that sense.

are you absolutely sure? come on, you should know i don't say many things without first investigating appropriately. i didn't post this earlier because i thought it unnecessary and perhaps overkill. but now i think it is appropriate.

we could measure the suns temperature from outside the atmosphere, but the problem now is that we wouldn't have any data from the past. i guess we could see a steady increase if one existed. but it wouldn't tell us if that was unusual. (the earth may naturally drift closer and then further away from the sun, or the sun might have steady raise and then decrease in temperature.) one thing i would point out is resolution. if you look at the earth from space, you see a load of green and brown and you see a steady gradation as forest turns to desert. if you are on the ground on the other hand, you will see various clumps of bushes and grass, and various patches of barren land. it's not a steady gradation. this illustrates if you see something from a low resolution, it smooths everything out. there may have been many many peaks in the past, but due to the way scientists measure data, they can't see that much detail and so they only see a blurred version. we all should know that the earth was much hotter when the dinosaurs were alive.

I'm a little glad.... I think, at least the new enterprise is better designed than tha enterprise E. I don't like that thing, too flat. looks like a turkey with no neck.

maybe that's why they removed the number suffix?

no. there is no evidence that 'says' such a thing. be very careful not to mislead or be misled. the evidence allows a suggestion that the raise in global temperatures may be exacurbated by the activity of mankind in the last hundred years or so. however it is evidence of a recent abnormal peak in temperature. it is people that say it is due to exhaust fumes etc. people. not evidence.

but you get the choice. unless they change it in the continuation and it doesn't give you a choice.

what strikes me as odd is the existence of two issues. on one hand you have global warming, the earth having more heat energy in the atmosphere than before, and on hte other hand, there is teh 'energy crisis' that people are predicting with oil being finite, why is it that the two are not linked? we are running out of energy sources, yet more energy is being retained in the atmosphere. we need some way of extracting ambient heat energy from the atmosphere. it would certainly help on hot days, making our houses cooler and it would also give us extra energy to use.

the thing is, they have showed studies and it has shown that global temperature has peaked in hte last century or so. the amount of 'peak-ing' is disproportionate to the amount of any heat peaks in the past as evidenced by levels of oxygen in certain protozoa or something like that, it's some evience they were using anyhow. they have looked at multiple sources of evidences and it showed a substantial increase in global temperatures since the industrial age. this is what i believe to be circumstantial evidence and also incomplete. now, looking at this evidence as it stands, it is pretty easy to draw teh conclusion that the industrial age is responsible, but there is no direct evidence that humanity and our machines are responsible for a global warming that is likely to continue and cause environmental damage. in fact, there has been many controversy over this and there have been independant studies that contradict the study that was performed by the government agencies.

the venture class is called scout ship in canon. it's what was used by data in insurrection. from what i remember, it was very similar to a shuttle.

there is a website called ex-astris-scientia that has a listing of all canon star trek ships. just took a look, and apparently there is a federation fighter, but it has not appeared in any movie or episode apart from the modified one used by the maquis. http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/fedshuttles2.htm it's called a peregrine class, but i'm not too sure about this as it is actually referred to as a courier ship in hte only mention of it in the DS9 episode.

oh, am I in error? I would not have said starfleet had fighter type vessels, since i thought they called all small vessels shuttles. but if they actually specifically refer to them as fighters, i stand corrected, my memory of those series is a little fuzzy.

you could call it a tactical attack vessel. I think this is what it was referred to as. designed to fight the borg. also, the enterprise E was likely designed more as a war ship, you can tell by the subdued lighting of the ship. it has exactly the same sort of feel as the alternate enterprise in one of the mirror universe episodes. usually, the placement of phasers on the starships is sufficient to fend off any vessel. the fighting in star trek universe is more determined by power levels, how strong your shields are etc. also, since in star trek, their mission is primarily one of peace and exploration, they are not generally at war, so they don't really use war 'fighter' type ships.

I thought that saucer section looked identical to the refit enterprise from the motion picture. the red lights on the back and the blue stripes arund the edges. I've not studied it a lot in that repect though, the saucer section doesn't look too radical to me. the whole shape of teh ship looks to me that it could possibly be a precursor to a ship that looks more like teh refit. although there is no guarantee that this ship would actually get a refit since now everything is different. but i thik hte engineering section is much the same shape as that of the refit and when they did teh refit, they changed the naycelles completely. i thik a refit on this one would have it looking very similar to TMP without too much work. My feeling about the battle scenes... I thik that jj abrams may have been watching star wars, this reminded me of the battle scene at the beginning of revenge of the sith. that battle scene was the greatest space battle i have ever seen, this movie could be good, but i am unsure if jj abrams directing is perhaps a little too fast to show clearly.

oh yeah, I won't post the picture of egg on my face, I don't want to spoil the thread

not me, how about you bobby? you got anything to add? I don't ask because i don't provide. (actually I'm not that interested, I have different reasons to admire women, call me strange, I won't deny i am an odd guy)

oh , ps guys, apparently a sequel to this movie has actually been 'annouced' according to IMDB. i'm interested to see how they do.

i say, to keep in the frame of mind like when watching transformers. this is a hollywood movie and has lots of action and explosions. it's not so hot on the science and also tries to get the blood flowing with some sexyness. remember this is jj abrams, so think about cloverfield and lost. also, I'm not exagerating, but i honestly got the feel of 'galaxy quest' at some points. it is fun and it is interesting to see how some of the characters are very accurate, but i feel it is missing some fundamental basics of what we would expect of star trek. keep an open mind and you may come away frm the movie house very satisfied.

why would i take it personally, you specifically said "Ryuki, the characters is what Star Trek is all about not ship design" and "Just by focusing purely on ship design, it just seems like you were missing the point." and by saying so you are implying that my perspective is invalid. if you want to lay out the merits of the movie, no problem. if you want to say how you think the ship is good design etc, no problem. if you want to say "i don't think hte ship design is important really, but i do like the character ... and how he ....." no problem. it seems like you are taking a swipe at me with those comments.

first off lordspleach, you have no right to tell me what the main point of the show is. for a start there are two ways of looking at it, the creators intent and the viewers perspective. since you have neither the viewers perspective (my perspective) or teh creators intent, you are way out of line with that statement. you are welcome to add your opinion, but i would appreciate it if you would stop discounting my opinion. now to move on from that, i would like to point out that the enterprise is a character in the show. need i point out teh many times the characters have had a rapport with hte different systems of teh ship. scotty loves his engine, captain kirk had a very witty rapport with his computer when it decided to start calling him 'dear' . in fact the character of janice rand was meant to illustrate this by her conversation with kirk "i only ever wanted you to look at my legs" but kirk was in love with the ship. it has ALWAYS been about the ship. it's iconic. yes the human(oid) characters were very important but that is how they brought the ship to the forefront. the ship had no real voice of it's own, so it was up to hte characters to bring out the character of the ship. now i could argue with you for a very long time about how important the ship actually is, and how important the design is, but i would actually prefer if you respect my opinion instead of attacking me. just to elaborate on this a bit more, to miss out the significance of certain parts such as ship design and also integrity of scientific knowledge etc, is to severely damage the integrity of the universe. it seems to me jj abrams has used this alternate universe as a kind of get out of jail free card. he has used it as a way to waive responsibility to get continuity correct. the problem here is, he has been so incredibly useless as to even ignore the integrity in his own movie. such as the glaring plot hole of scotty having no idea of the fundamental basics of warp travel. if you really want to move away from the ship design, I could always find some other area to illustrate the fundamental problem here. I am using the ship design as an example to show how the universe is not consistent. this film does not make sense. as i think about it more and more, it makes less and less sense.

i managed to get a screenshot of the engineering section. now, what i want to say is, can you tell me, if you did not know where this screenshot was from, what would you identify it as? because i would identify it as a generic industrial plant. this screenshot could be from terminator 2. it could be from anything. that is why i dislike the engineering section design. because i don't consider it to be good design at all. especially when you compare to what star trek has already established. look at the following images, that show clearly that the different interiors of different ships are unique and identifiable.

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Why would you say such a thing? for some people, certain things are important. i'm focusing on the ship design because it is something that has been subjected to a lot of attention over the past of this franchise. for a film to stand up to scrutiny, it must have integrity. how would you feel if they made a guyver film and did something like making his head spike flat against his head..?... more seriously though, what if they did make a guyver film and changed the fundamental design of the guyver. like this . you wouldn't be happy, would you? I concentrate on these things because i work in the same field. I judge these people by how well they do their job.