Guyver Gigantic vs Archanfel

[8rucel33]

Forgive me if this topic has been posted before, but how do you suppose the gigantic will combat Archanfel?

It seems to me, at present, even with the gigantic armour, Archanfel would still be able to best the guyvers. Unless of course he takes a direct full force giga smasher, Archanfel would probably be able to avoid or survive all other attacks. One of the most powerful new attacks of the gigantic is the black hole type attack, but this I imagine to be, is not to different from Guyot/Imakarums ultimate attack, which Archanfel was able to survive.

Perhaps again, we'll see another power unveiled from the Gigantic?

[Larz Zahn]

I kinda hope not. I mean the gigantic had so many weapons as it is. Some of which i find barely tolerable. Like the gravity ram, or to a more tolerable extent, the gravity punch. I don't understand why he has those when he has so much more simpler more powerful choices to choose from. Like his blades. I love those things. Its like an ultimate cheat code!!

as for a fight with Alky.

I seriously doubt one gigantic can hold its own against him.

I actually been thinking this for years. I didn't see how one could win especially when Agito struggled with fighting two Zoalords. I'm using him as an example because most of Sho's fights against a Zoalord he was reserved for some reason.

So i was relieved when Agito made his own armor. Two against one seems a closer match to me.

It doesn't help that we never seen Alky get serious.

Edited September 15, 2013 by Larz Zahn

[8rucel33]

I agree, we haven't seen Archanfel making a serious effort yet, with the exception of the attack that he used to take out the meteorite. Bar the use of the giga-smasher, would the gigantic have been strong enough to do the same?

[Larz Zahn]

Um... Going Exceed might, i stress MIGHT give him enough brute strength to destroy it. I just don't know how good a job he would do. The gravity ram would probably drill a hole thru it... I doubt the blades, pressure cannon, or bio lasers would do more than scratch it. Gravity punches would only knock large chunks out. Building size large i mean.

I'm thinking only the most powerful weapons would have a serious effect here. The sonic busters, the giga smasher, and of course the black hole rail gun.

I would really like to point out that I'm going off memory so I'm not 100% on the size of the meteor. It could bigger than i think.

Edited September 15, 2013 by Larz Zahn

[*Jess♥]

it's pretty obvious... the gigantic was created specifically to defeat Archanfel.

so the gigantic would defeat Archanfel provided Shou was properly focused.

[LordSpleach]

I still remember that Sho had that dream where both Archanfel and the Guyver Gigantic were giant sized. I wonder if that will ever happen.

[Guyver0]

it's pretty obvious... the gigantic was created specifically to defeat Archanfel.

so the gigantic would defeat Archanfel provided Shou was properly focused.

 

True, but for all we know Shou may have made the Gigantic strong enough to face Archanfel when they first met back at Relic's Point.  I mean it seems Shou got only a small taste of what Archanfel can do and made the Gigantic according to the amount of strength that was displayed?

[*V Guyver]

it's pretty obvious... the gigantic was created specifically to defeat Archanfel.

so the gigantic would defeat Archanfel provided Shou was properly focused.

 

True, but for all we know Shou may have made the Gigantic strong enough to face Archanfel when they first met back at Relic's Point.  I mean it seems Shou got only a small taste of what Archanfel can do and made the Gigantic according to the amount of strength that was displayed?

Been wondering that myself. Alky only showed a fraction of his power and realized that even that fraction trumped Guyot. So he wanted something for overkill It's possible he did build something strong enough in Gigantic and Exceed if he used his sensors on Alky... but that remains to be seen. Also a full powered more experienced Alky would surely be far more powerful than we imagine. He has all the zoalords powers. So him becoming a giant is not out of the question. You cannot top a final showdown against the ultimate Guyver forms unless it;'s either a Guyver Zoalord or Alky.... even both. 

[username]

The gigantic as we know it now probably would lose to alk but i assume he would juat find some unknown power ala exceed. Personally i hope the final conflict is not alk vs sho. I think alk is kind of misunderstood i dont see him as simply a villian i mean he did save the earth once upon a time. I hope the creators eventually come back and forces have to be joined. Or guyot or one of the renegade zoalords get a unit and are the final foe.

[Salkafar]

Archanfel is weakening, however. He is running around and doing things when his body says "Time to hibernate". And he has been hibernating for longer and longer.

 

Come to think of it, the Segawa siblings are still standing by the bed of Archanfel. Which is... such a weird thought.

 

Have they ever actually seen him before?

 

To me, Guyot is the true antagonist here. He is a product of the twentieth century, blonde and caucasian, a classic image of brutal ambition. His kind was not created to think or command - Archanfel was. He is an ape with power - a living weapon that wants control of its own trigger.

 

Ahem. Maybe the Exceed will give birth to a further evolution - after all, the Guyver is a hyper-adaptable super organism and it has never been bound to a human for so long before. Like, in the midst of battle, suddenly it seems to collapse and shrink down - but still retain the same energy output. The secondary control ring is after all the original navigation unit of the Creator ship, so it is essentially a super computer, analyzing its opponents actions and power and responding. It would logically design new features for itself.

 

Now, reproduction - that would be interesting. Wouldn't it be logical for a Guyver, an organic being which can grow new tissue very rapidly, to spawn new G-units?

Maybe not complete Guyver armors, but semi-autonomous drones? Directed by the control medallion. Maybe hovering laser cannons, surrounding opponents to pelt them from all sides, or projectile weapons... indeed, projectiles, nearly-mindless monsters with only one thought: fly at and blow up enemies.

[Larz Zahn]

That's too much like gundam for my tastes. Even if the suit is equal to Alky in power, what about the person behind the power? Alky was bred to be the general. An ultimate warrior. Sho is learning as he goes. Granted he is learning by leaps and bounds, but Alky has got to be smart about his powers and how and when to use them.

[*guyverfan]

tough question,

well, we've seen that alky is powerful enough to destroy a meteor the size of the moon, not forgetting that he also had to overcome paralisis caused by the advents first.

 

the gigantic definitly has no chance against alky, but i think exceed might.

when sho transforms into exceed, i'm thinking that all the power output of the weaponary increase to match the size aswell? so would the gigasmasher become a supermega-gigasmasher?

but also, alky may have the power to probably deflect this as he did with the megasmasher at relics point.

i don't think that the other gigantic/exceed weapons would be of much use when facing alky.

 

so, if alky was unconcious,immobolized,paralized, with no way of defending himself and no one was able to come to his aid. and the exceed had probably 5mins to charge up the supermega-gigasmasher and used directly infront/behind alky, then yes, i believe alky can be vapourized.

[8rucel33]

Having gone back through the book 15 translations, I now realise that Archanfel's destruction of the asteroid wasn't anything special, and was simply down to an expansion in his zoalord barrier (this is one of Zoalord Shin's abilities, supporting the theory that Archanfel has each of the other zoalords abilities). If the regular gigantic is not capable of expanding its barrier, I'm sure the size of the exceeds barrier, combined with rocket thrusters, could probably shatter the asteroid as Archanfel did.

I believe a possible ability of the gigantic that we haven't seen yet, is the ability to move through dimensional space as the chrysalis did, and appear in different locations. Not just for long distances from country to country, but maybe for short ranges in combat, as in Zoalord yentsui's ability. As in book 15 when the creators ships prepare to leave Archanfel and the earth behind, they all appear to move into this dimensional space. As the gigantic is made from the ship, it should be able to do this. Just a thought!

I agree with what you said username, with regards to Archanfel not being simply a villain. In the guyver world, the human race should be grateful for his asteroid intervention! I also felt like this with regards to Purgstul, he's a Zoalord I think didn't deserve to die.

[durendal]

Misunderstood would be the most appropriate term for Alchanfel rather than villanous.  I think that term should be reserved for Guyot and the renegades.  Regarding the gigantic vs alchanfel, the creators must know something that we don't that would make them turn tail and run.  Using this as a basis, I would think that the gigantic would be able to defeat alky.  Why else would the creators order alky to destroy guyver 0 immediately despite alky easily dispatching him?  As we have seen so far, Shou has been able to dispatch zoalords after zoalords using the Gigantic.  I would not count Agito's encounter with the other zoalords since he has yet to fully utilize the gigantic during his fights.  It seems that the Gigantic can be powerful, not in terms of raw power as demonstrated by Agito, but in terms of creativity which Shou fully utilized.

[*V Guyver]

Alky has been shown to be ruthless and utterly disregarding to other human lives, even those who serve him. Maybe misunderstood is in there somewhere, but he's pretty damn casual about slaughtering anyone in front of him. He was bred as a perfect warrior general, so expecting any empathy is hard. Imakirum doesn't count since he's an extension of Alky, Alky's concern for him is like that to a withering limb. 

[Larz Zahn]

Ya know. That is odd, thanks for reminding about that. He goes and kills people who work for him, just because they seen him, and yet a rebel proto Zoalord he saves and converts into practically his little brother. I have to wonder, just what was his plan??

[Guyver0]

Ya know. That is odd, thanks for reminding about that. He goes and kills people who work for him, just because they seen him, and yet a rebel proto Zoalord he saves and converts into practically his little brother. I have to wonder, just what was his plan??

 

Actually I think the reason why Archenfel killed those soldiers when he first appeared wasn't because he just didn't care about them, but rather he didn't want his presence to be known to every one else at Relic's Point.  I'm not trying to justify what he did, but that is what I think.

[*V Guyver]

Yeah, it makes sense not to tip off the man he's after. He could run off, destroy his work, or rush to complete it, maybe even ambush him. 

Now that I think about it, everyone was in the dark to the project that Guyot was plotting to use... but Barcus didn't know, so how did Alky know? 

[LordSpleach]

Maybe he could sense the activation of the remover since he has personally used one before.

[Larz Zahn]

I guess that makes sense except for this. He was killing soldiers AFTER Guyot started to run from him. Question, do you think Alky could erase memories or make them forget he was there?

[LordSpleach]

Actually it still makes sense because I'm sure he didn't want leaks to his retrieval of the Remover. If a soldier was left alive and reported it to Barcus or any other Zoalord, they would wonder why the situation happened.

 

And this happened when Barcus discovered Archanfel chasing Guyot, and he told the rest of the Council. This act help inspired the three rebels to investigate the Guyver, along with the fact that only Imakarum was allowed to deal with them.

 

If it went Archanfel's plan, Guyot would have kept his mouth shut or die, and even Barcus wouldn't have known a thing.

[*V Guyver]

Alky apparently was smart enough to predict disloyalty and that the allure of a Guyver Unit for themselves is enough to inspire a few. It did indeed end up happening, and the creation of Alky's Zoalord brain connected buddy was to help ensure an enforcer of loyalty. 

The state of Zoalords can be summed up as such.

1. Barcus is the only one that is truly loyal to Alky barring the remolded Imakirum.
2. Most of the Zoalords are only loyal to Chronos and Barcus, they serve Alky only by their affections to Barcus.
3. At least 4 Zoalords have shown utter disloyalty to either Alky or Barcus. They only look out for themselves.  Yet are loosely affiliated for common goals. Once given a Guyver unit, they would dominate the rest. 

4. Imakirum is the only Zoalord who was built to be loyal. He was not only made to be so, but to act as the eyes and ears of Alky, and his enforcer of loyalty and his own personal spy. Probably the smartest thing Alky did as far as a battle plan. If this has actually backfired, we have yet to see. 

[8rucel33]

Loyal Zoalord or not, has the question been asked as to whether a Guyver unit remover would work on the dual control metal of the Gigantic?

[Larz Zahn]

Hmm.... At the core of the dual metal is still the regular control metal so its possible that if hit with the removers waves, it would reset the basic Guyver unit. But its equally just as possible that the gigantics barrier would block the tenders waves.

[LordSpleach]

I don't think the remover would work on the DCM because it's was originally for a ship, not a Guyver unit. I'd imagine the basic program would be different.