what if I can't pay for a pre-order?

[Enzyme-eternal]

Wait, so what about those of us, like me, that don't have the means to order the volumes?

[*Jess♥]

Wait, so what about those of us, like me, that don't have the means to order the volumes?

you're gonna have to be more specific, especially since right here in this thread we are PROVIDING the means to order volume 30.

as you can imagine your post comes across a little confusing.

 

Dave, yes you will receive the book when it is officially released.

[daveblackeye152]

Wait, so what about those of us, like me, that don't have the means to order the volumes?

If you pay you'll receive a copy of the book, at least according to Ryuki. You're not just paying for a translation but an actual book too.

[Enzyme-eternal]

Wait, so what about those of us, like me, that don't have the means to order the volumes?

you're gonna have to be more specific, especially since right here in this thread we are PROVIDING the means to order volume 30.

as you can imagine your post comes across a little confusing.

 

Dave, yes you will receive the book when it is officially released.

 

What I mean is that I don't have a credit card so I can't pay for the order.

[*Jess♥]

What I mean is that I don't have a credit card so I can't pay for the order.

Thanks for clarifying.

If you have a problem paying with paypal, then simply ask and we can help you out.

Do you wish to pre-order and pay using an alternate method?

I'd be happy to work with you on that.

[Enzyme-eternal]

What I mean is that I don't have a credit card so I can't pay for the order.

Thanks for clarifying.

If you have a problem paying with paypal, then simply ask and we can help you out.

Do you wish to pre-order and pay using an alternate method?

I'd be happy to work with you on that.

I appreciate the offer but I don't actually have a bank account, a job or money of my own.  So I can't actually buy anything for my self unless I can physically go to a shop and buy it with the money I'm given.

[Sully]

To be fair, it's 13 UK pounds per year basically (which just about covers the book and simply proves you own a copy, it's not like this  book would be found in your local book store and with ebay or Amazon.co.jp they charge more than this just in shipping from Japan! And they don't give you a translation to go with it that you can actually read.).

You'd spend more on a single night out with the misses or getting a decent Chinese takeaway!

While yes you've an issue getting money to Ryuki, you can use Western Union Money transfers, they deal in cash and all Ryuki needs to do is go to a local agent to pick it up.

 

And Edit: Forgot to add paid for Vol 30 from G.A.

Edited March 10, 2013 by Sully

[*Jess♥]

to be honest, I'd prefer western union because paypal charge me 5% for each transaction.

But I set it up to be most convenient for most people. doesn't mean there aren't workarounds.

[Enzyme-eternal]

What's Western Union Money transfers?

[Sully]

http://www2.westernunion.ie/ie/Home.page?

 

That's the Irish page, select your country then search for the closest agent to your home, normally it is a corner shop or a supermarket etc.

 

You tell the agent where you want to send the money and with that person work out how much that is in Sterling if you live elsewhere. The agent will then convert your cash for you and give you a code you give then to Ryuki. He then goes to his closest agent and they give him the cash.

 

it doesn't cost all that much extra and is safe and secure.

(before I'd a job, a credit card etc Western Union was the only way I could buy something on-line in the old days before Paypal was owned by Ebay etc, its still very handy and they have a help section on their website I see).

Edited March 10, 2013 by Sully

[Enzyme-eternal]

http://www2.westernunion.ie/ie/Home.page?

 

That's the Irish page, select your country then search for the closest agent to your home, normally it is a corner shop or a supermarket etc.

 

You tell the agent where you want to send the money and with that person work out how much that is in Sterling if you live elsewhere. The agent will then convert your cash for you and give you a code you give then to Ryuki. He then goes to his closest agent and they give him the cash.

 

it doesn't cost all that much extra and is safe and secure.

(before I'd a job, a credit card etc Western Union was the only way I could buy something on-line in the old days before Paypal was owned by Ebay etc, its still very handy and they have a help section on their website I see).

Thanks for the help.  I don't particularly like having to go through all this just for a translation but I guess I have no other option.  Not sure exactly when I'll be able to work all this out, sigh.

 

Is this all really necessary?  I mean I get wanting to support the product but there isn't an official English release so it isn't like any money is being lost by us downloading it?

[river_chaos]

http://www2.westernunion.ie/ie/Home.page?

 

That's the Irish page, select your country then search for the closest agent to your home, normally it is a corner shop or a supermarket etc.

 

You tell the agent where you want to send the money and with that person work out how much that is in Sterling if you live elsewhere. The agent will then convert your cash for you and give you a code you give then to Ryuki. He then goes to his closest agent and they give him the cash.

 

it doesn't cost all that much extra and is safe and secure.

(before I'd a job, a credit card etc Western Union was the only way I could buy something on-line in the old days before Paypal was owned by Ebay etc, its still very handy and they have a help section on their website I see).

Thanks for the help.  I don't particularly like having to go through all this just for a translation but I guess I have no other option.  Not sure exactly when I'll be able to work all this out, sigh.

 

Is this all really necessary?  I mean I get wanting to support the product but there isn't an official English release so it isn't like any money is being lost by us downloading it?

 

It's more on the lines that too many people have been stealing the Advocadcy's work and site moderators being complete douche bags to us when we approach them about it.  We want to support Takaya, yes, but we're also trying to keep people from stealing the Advocadcy's hard work so easily. 

[*Jess♥]

It's more on the lines that too many people have been stealing the Advocadcy's work and site moderators being complete douche bags to us when we approach them about it.  We want to support Takaya, yes, but we're also trying to keep people from stealing the Advocadcy's hard work so easily. 

not really, I think if that was the only reason it would be petty.

 

quite simply, for too long we have been reading Manga for free. Guyver advocacy has been responsible for westerners being able to read guyver for free. is that fair?

if we make it possible for westerners to read guyver then shouldn't we pay the appropriate price? I believe that is fair.

we are all responsible, me included. I consume things for free when I should be paying for it.

there is a big problem in our global society and I think we ought to start trying to fix it. 

 

I don't think anyone should be finding issue with a pre-order, even when what we are supplying alongside the pre-order is an advance look at what will be in the book. how many of us buy monthly shonen ace...?

 

I understand that people have financial burdens and difficulties, but let's please keep the right perspective.

 

 

ryuki, once paid for, how do you know which member it is, as their full names are not used, oohh, hangon, don't worry about, jeez i'm stupid, its through our email.

 

 

Don't worry, I'm on top of it

[Enzyme-eternal]

It's more on the lines that too many people have been stealing the Advocadcy's work and site moderators being complete douche bags to us when we approach them about it.  We want to support Takaya, yes, but we're also trying to keep people from stealing the Advocadcy's hard work so easily. 

not really, I think if that was the only reason it would be petty.

 

quite simply, for too long we have been reading Manga for free. Guyver advocacy has been responsible for westerners being able to read guyver for free. is that fair?

if we make it possible for westerners to read guyver then shouldn't we pay the appropriate price? I believe that is fair.

we are all responsible, me included. I consume things for free when I should be paying for it.

there is a big problem in our global society and I think we ought to start trying to fix it. 

 

I don't think anyone should be finding issue with a pre-order, even when what we are supplying alongside the pre-order is an advance look at what will be in the book. how many of us buy monthly shonen ace...?

 

I understand that people have financial burdens and difficulties, but let's please keep the right perspective.

That's all well and good except in this case we don't have any other options.  If there was a translated version of Guyver available in shops I would be buying it instead of downloading it here because I would rather have a physical copy then a digital on and I do that with everything else. 

 

The fact is that the publishers have chosen not to market their product in the English market and as such downloading the manga here has no effect on profits for it.  That being said I'm not apposed to supporting Takaya but I don't see the point in withholding translations when it means people like me without the means to buy the manga can't enjoy it.  If I could buy it, actually I'd rather have a physical copy, I would but I can't and it doesn't seem fair that I should suffer because of it. 

[*Jess♥]

I don't see the point in withholding translations when it means people like me without the means to buy the manga can't enjoy it.

I humbly request somebody to point out what is wrong with this sentence.

[xtro guyver]

As someone who has not supported buying the japanese manga before (I have a few volumes but they were spares a friend had going spare thinks its like 1/19/20), simple due to the cost of importing stuff over from japan, I am more then happy to support Ryuki's idea as its a bargin as far as I'm concerned. I get to help support guyver something I havn't been able to activily do since changyi lost the liscenced and contrubte to something I enjoy

[Enzyme-eternal]

I don't see the point in withholding translations when it means people like me without the means to buy the manga can't enjoy it.

I humbly request somebody to point out what is wrong with this sentence.

What do you mean?

[durendal]

Please allow me to answer everyone as to why an english translation is not available for the general public starting with the chapters of volume 30.  Modesty aside, I'm the one who is mostly responsible in translating the monthly chapters.  And right now, I am withholding translations because I am a total prick!  If you want somebody to blame, then blame me.  As some might point out, it's a free world, and you can do as you please.  If you know Japanese, then you can translate the manga yourself by all means.  If we want to be technical, the presence of the raw itself is already a violation of the international copyright act, which is tantamount to piracy.  Not being able to understand the book is not an excuse in promoting piracy.  Piracy is only allowed if you are either Johnny Depp or someone who can stretch their arms like rubber and answers to the name of Luffy.

[Enzyme-eternal]

Please allow me to answer everyone as to why an english translation is not available for the general public starting with the chapters of volume 30.  Modesty aside, I'm the one who is mostly responsible in translating the monthly chapters.  And right now, I am withholding translations because I am a total prick!  If you want somebody to blame, then blame me.  As some might point out, it's a free world, and you can do as you please.  If you know Japanese, then you can translate the manga yourself by all means.  If we want to be technical, the presence of the raw itself is already a violation of the international copyright act, which is tantamount to piracy.  Not being able to understand the book is not an excuse in promoting piracy.  Piracy is only allowed if you are either Johnny Depp or someone who can stretch their arms like rubber and answers to the name of Luffy.

What?

[*Jess♥]

oh durendal, please don't say things like this! You're a lovely person really.

 

Enzyme eternal,

my post was really meaning to say  that your attitude seems to be " If I can't afford it or get it by legitimate means, it should be okay to steal it".

 

what you said was rather illogical as you also kinda said "if i can't find a way to buy a product, I can't enjoy that product?"

well yeah that is kinda the way the world works. The things you are saying, don't make much sense.

from the very start guyver advocacy existed to promote guyver by the best means and aim to improve the sales of guyver product.

We do not approve and never will approve of taking something for free simply because you don't want to go to too much trouble.

when we translate from japanese into english do you think it is easy?

The kind of attitude that comes across from your posts is very unpleasant.

If you like guyver then you should be willing to put in a little effort and finance in order to be able to read it.

[Enzyme-eternal]

oh durendal, please don't say things like this! You're a lovely person really.

 

Enzyme eternal,

my post was really meaning to say  that your attitude seems to be " If I can't afford it or get it by legitimate means, it should be okay to steal it".

 

what you said was rather illogical as you also kinda said "if i can't find a way to buy a product, I can't enjoy that product?"

well yeah that is kinda the way the world works. The things you are saying, don't make much sense.

from the very start guyver advocacy existed to promote guyver by the best means and aim to improve the sales of guyver product.

We do not approve and never will approve of taking something for free simply because you don't want to go to too much trouble.

when we translate from japanese into english do you think it is easy?

The kind of attitude that comes across from your posts is very unpleasant.

If you like guyver then you should be willing to put in a little effort and finance in order to be able to read it.

First of all you are twisting my words, I was quiet clear that if I COULD get it I would.  But as I've said before I CAN'T.  I looked into that Western Union thing and I can't use it cause they need photo D which I don't had! 

 

I'm not stealing anything because no one is selling me anything.  The Guyver manga isn't being sold in English so no profits are being lost.

 

If there are no legitimate means but I still want the product and there is a means of getting it then I don't see what's wrong with that? 

 

Oh and buy the way, you aren't exactly selling at cost.  Manga's are only 6.99 here and I'm only really paying for the translation in the end.

 

Anyway, my point is I shouldn't have to loose out when I don't have to.

[*Jess♥]

yes we are selling at cost. don't you dare presume to know the channels by which we need to order these and what it will cost us.

 

and you clearly don't understand the concept of theft. taking something without paying. every time you look at a chapter yoshiki takaya has drawn and written, you are taking it without paying. whether you can understand it , or not, is irrelevant. he produced it to sell and you are taking it without paying.

seriously you need to shut the hell up and go and read about what piracy is before you reply again because I am getting PISSED.

I'm under no illusions that I read stuff illegally online and I would like to change that if I can. I read Naruto, because it's easy. I think I would like it if the scanlation groups did the same as what we are doing. I would pay. truth is, if we can get something easily, a lot of us tend to. because we're fallible.  But when people pretend that it's ok.... that's not on.

 

 

If there are no legitimate means but I still want the product and there is a means of getting it then I don't see what's wrong with that?

There is legitimate means. you need to try harder.

 

 

Anyway, my point is I shouldn't have to loose out when I don't have to.

said the car thief

[Enzyme-eternal]

Sigh you know you shouldn't give a lecture about the evils of piracy to some one that never downloads anything but one manga because it isn't sold in shops and in include an admission of pirating something readily available to buy legally, is weakens you stance.  Regardless, I don't care to debate piracy laws, morality or anything else of that nature here or in general.

[*Kenji Murakami]

Sigh you know you shouldn't give a lecture about the evils of piracy to some one that never downloads anything but one manga because it isn't sold in shops and in include an admission of pirating something readily available to buy legally, is weakens you stance.  Regardless, I don't care to debate piracy laws, morality or anything else of that nature here or in general.

 

Research is your fried. Seriously, it is; you're coming off as either hopelessly naive, or deliberately obtuse.

[LordSpleach]

So Western Union is an option? I might take that just because I'm much more familar with that then PayPal. Plus I can get munchies when I go to the grocery store to get the money order.