chapter Guyver February 2012

[*Jess♥]

I'm honestly shocked he doesn't do that more often. I mean, couldn't he conceivably cause trouble for Chronos all over the globe if he made enough copies of himself and sent them out to seek and destroy? Or can he not stay in contact with his doppelgangers over that great a distance? They came in handy at Mount Minakami against the Hyper Zoanoid Team 5 and again when he was teaching Sho a lesson while disguised as Team 5. He'd be a literal one man army lol

I'm pretty sure there's nothing to suggest he can in any way communicate with his doppelgangers.

it seems to me that first thing he needs is a sufficient biomass to create a doppelganger.

after that, I don't know but he seems to want to reconstitute. perhaps he doesn't trust himself.

[durendal]

I think the clones are something similar to the biomissle. Could it be possible that once the clone gets out of range from Aptom's main brain control wave radius, that the clone would become independent? Then once they get back in range, they would simply consolidate data from each other and then merge back? Just like how Multiple Man does it from the x-men.

Wouldn't it be a kicker if Aptom can actually manage to do a Taijuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu? But with such many clones, do you think he still have the mental capacity to control that many clones?

[Salkafar]

I fiddled with the title page to make it look nice and glued the pages together

Nice. I was too lazy this time.

I just realized something: People are waking up and getting out of their house because they heard an explosion?

While a 165-foot Guyver has been stomping around in the ruins of Shinjuku, stopping a Gigasmasher-blast? You think that might have made some noise... caused some earth tremors maybe? How come nobody has gone "Hey, Marge! Look at that, hon! You ever seen anything like that?"

[Salkafar]

I think the clones are something similar to the biomissle. Could it be possible that once the clone gets out of range from Aptom's main brain control wave radius, that the clone would become independent? Then once they get back in range, they would simply consolidate data from each other and then merge back? Just like how Multiple Man does it from the x-men. Wouldn't it be a kicker if Aptom can actually manage to do a Taijuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu? But with such many clones, do you think he still have the mental capacity to control that many clones?

I don't agree. The very first time he used this technique, he stated that each "clone" is Aptom. When two of them reunited, they talked to each other like seperate individuals... then merged again. No mind control. Just Aptom.

[jerrygoodman]

One thing I would like to find out -- how the heck Guyot even survived his encounter with Archanfel, especially since he was seen falling into the mouth of an active volcano after Archy pulled out his zoacrystal. Think that'll ever be elaborated?

[Zoaknight]

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I fiddled with the title page to make it look nice and glued the pages together

Nice. I was too lazy this time. I just realized something: People are waking up and getting out of their house because they heard an explosion? While a 165-foot Guyver has been stomping around in the ruins of Shinjuku, stopping a Gigasmasher-blast? You think that might have made some noise... caused some earth tremors maybe? How come nobody has gone Hey, Marge! Look at that, hon! You ever seen anything like that?

Hey man, they come from Japan, you see one Dai Kaiju battle, you've seen them all! LOL XD

Salkafar wrote: I don't agree. The very first time he used this technique, he stated that each clone is Aptom. When two of them reunited, they talked to each other like seperate individuals... then merged again. No mind control. Just Aptom.

I remember that too, Aptom said that he and his copies acted like a collective, multiple bodies but only one consciousness guiding each of them. So basically, each copy is just an extension of himself, one mind, multiple bodies. Which again raises the question as to why he doesn't just spread himself across the planet and attack as many Chronos bases as possible, if he absorbed enough bio matter he could easily make as many bodies as he'd need for something like that right? He'd be like an bug infestation, the Zoalords could blow one Aptom away only for another to come crawling out of the woodwork sooner or later. Though Chronos could counter this by making as many Enzyme 3's as possible and making them a standard defense for every Chronos base.

Edited December 29, 2011 by Zoaknight

[*Jess♥]

I remember that too, Aptom said that he and his copies acted like a collective, multiple bodies but only one consciousness guiding each of them.

I don't recall this, can you confirm please?

I only remember him saying that he is only aptom, and both of them are only aptom.

I don't recall any mention of shared consciousness or any suggestion that they can share experiences as a collective would.

[Super Existence]

Yes this is not the case.

There isn't a psychic link between the bodies at least one that has been mentioned. It seems more Aptom makes a total independent copy of himself, each one capable of becoming an all new Aptom. I assume given enough time this other Aptom would become quite different to the original as it's life experiences varied over time.

I have also wondered why Aptom doesn't just make an army of himself but there are a few things to consider.

1. Aptom may be afraid he could be usurped by this other Aptom, the clone could go rogue.

2. The manga would be over very shortly to have a thousand fold army of Aptom's power (it would be like the multiple Agent Smith clones in the Matrix). Although this could be something which is intended for the endgame.

[Zoaknight]

I remember that too, Aptom said that he and his copies acted like a collective, multiple bodies but only one consciousness guiding each of them.

I don't recall this, can you confirm please?

I only remember him saying that he is only aptom, and both of them are only aptom.

I don't recall any mention of shared consciousness or any suggestion that they can share experiences as a collective would.

Well, I'll double check and try to hunt down the original manga chpt when I get the chance to do so (going to see Sherlocke Holmes: Game of Shadows at the theatre at the moment, gotta jet!). Though I think thats how they explained it in the 2005 anime, which Takaya helped on I think, and if each Aptom were independent rather than the same creature or linked somehow, why would any of the clones willingly merge back together with the original Aptom?

But as I said, I'll try to track down the original manga chpt and if I'm wrong, I'll let ya know. But if Aptom said that he is only Aptom and so are his clones, doesn't that imply they're all the same creature/individual just with extra bodies?

Edited December 29, 2011 by Zoaknight

[*Jess♥]

i think if he is clear in his mind and focuses on the mission, a short term mission then each doppelganger would have this clear goal in mind and the intention of re-merging when the mission is over.

as time goes on, each doppelganger has potential to become a different individual. but in the sort term, it may be possible that memories from one can be merged with the other memories.

this months chapter scanlated. - http://www.mediafire.com/?s77i8a2qobtx4n8

[Zoaknight]

i think if he is clear in his mind and focuses on the mission, a short term mission then each doppelganger would have this clear goal in mind and the intention of re-merging when the mission is over. as time goes on, each doppelganger has potential to become a different individual. but in the sort term, it may be possible that memories from one can be merged with the other memories. this months chapter scanlated. - http://www.mediafire.com/?s77i8a2qobtx4n8

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I'm having trouble locating the volume where Aptom fights Zektole and absorbs the remaining Team 5 members, sorry about that guys >_<

I suppose that could work as well, the whole "mind on the mission" thing, though I still suspect each Aptom is as much Aptom as any other, i.e. they all consider themselves part of the same battle creature so they have no reason to turn on eachother. As long as a piece of Aptom remains, he can regenerate and start anew, so i guess its a non-issue either way...Maybe he fears unleashing copies of himself worldwide would be too dangerous (he's much more reserved and far less psychotic than he was back when he first began absorbing other zoanoids).

thanks for the scanlation Ryuki

[Guest RCL6]

i Reckon Shizu is on her way ou, Guyver 2 F still requires character development, i mean a female guyver i pretty big deal, especially seeing as her control metal was manufactured by chronos somehow. She may use the mega smasher

[Zoaknight]

i Reckon Shizu is on her way ou, Guyver 2 F still requires character development, i mean a female guyver i pretty big deal, especially seeing as her control metal was manufactured by chronos somehow. She may use the mega smasher

i suspect you're probably right, and I do want to learn more about Val and see more of her in action, I just think it stinks that we may end up losing our only female Zoalord, heck, only female zoanoid of any type period.

[Lindsay]

I'm not of the 'Aptom clone' or 'doppelganger' frame of mind. Just because when Aptom absorbed a load of biomass and split into multiples, one of those multiples was the one round whom the story revolved, is not to say that this is the 'original' Aptom and the others are duplicates. I'm not sure as if any of the Aptom bodies would desire to be independent; I think they are all Aptom, and remerging with other bodies of the Aptom entity does not mean they cease to exist.