Star Trek

[LordSpleach]

That's what I think about Enterprise's NX class ship.

[*Kenji Murakami]

Yeah; the NX never appealed to me at all. It looked like a lopsided pancake with nacelles sticking out of it.

[Hyper_Guyvantic]

You forgot the Enterprise J Dr.DekaRed, lol. But in my opinion out of the 3 Enterprises I grew up with, 1701, Refit/1701-A, and 1701-D, the Enterprise A is the sexiest. The Enterprise D was to big, to bulky for me, and the Galaxy Class Starships just dont look like a proper evolved Constitution/Enterprise Class starship. But thats my opinion. The Enterprises B and C are nice, and can fit in the evolution of the Connie/Entie Class ships and have been proven to have followed the Conies/Enties.

[Guest Dr. DekaRed]

lol, i didn't forget it, there isn't a side on schematic of it as i believe the only time it has ever been seen was a glimpse on a monitor screen.

like so

[*YoungGuyver]

Ryuki, I take it back. I'm disagreeing with you. The alternate time line Enterprise hull doesn't look too far forward. Seeing them together in profile, the outline of the original matches the new version, and the new version is using the design style of the A. What looks odd about it is the bottom of the hull. It slopes up Way too fast, and throws the sense of balance off. The alternate time line engineering is just as forward as the original, from those pics.

What's interesting is the Enterprise C was a concept for the D before production on Next Gen began. They needed a ship design and decided to use it. A poetic precursor.

I'm not so fond of the NX Enterprise. That series as a whole seems so pointless. They forget about the Horizon class ships that StarFleet was supposed to start with (just like the original Enterprise, only a sphere instead of a saucer mostly), beat the name Enterprise to death, and start using modern trek tech so that the characters don't have to 'struggle' in a script to do anything. Weren't holograms everywhere enough in Voyager? I loved it though when they showed the rivalry between the Andorians and Vulcans; it's excellent to see how the federation could truly be built, and see what difficulties they had to work through. Instead it becomes a waste by making it a time war. Which is why I was so twitchy going in to watch this new Trek.

There are things I love and hate about every ship design. I'm not too much of a fan of the original, as its angle jarr at me, and its colors are so full you could be driven to commit suicide on that ship after a year. The refit/A was great! Don't like the warp pylons, but its still pretty good. And the A bridge tops the list as my favorite. On the whole though, it's still very angular and scrawny, but it makes it look good. The B is big and sleek in EVERY way. The only problem with the bridge is that they ripped off the helm consoles from next gen (how cheap); but hey, even the A borrowed next gens warp core to save cash. The C is a bubble ship for me. Not really interested in it. The D is big and sleek, but from some angles it looks awkward. It's interior has some great intersecting angles, but then has some square angle right next to them which makes it look unfinished in design. The E is sleek and looks like its either fast or powerful at will. But the consoles on the bridge are rainbow colored, and in both exterior and interior the angles intersect oddly, breaking symmetry, and resulting in a horrid look for me. It would be great, but needs some refining. And some color on the bottom of the warp engines!

[*Jess♥]

Ryuki, I take it back. I'm disagreeing with you. The alternate time line Enterprise hull doesn't look too far forward. Seeing them together in profile, the outline of the original matches the new version, and the new version is using the design style of the A.

are you absolutely sure?

come on, you should know i don't say many things without first investigating appropriately.

i didn't post this earlier because i thought it unnecessary and perhaps overkill. but now i think it is appropriate.

[*YoungGuyver]

The bottom of the neck to the front of the deflector dish is the reference point I was using. The point for me that makes noticeable space, Or rather, seems to fit. But it's weird, the neck connection on the back end is the same, and aligns with the connections on the old saucer, but the new saucer is bigger

[*Jess♥]

this is true, if you are looking at the engineering compared to just the neck.

I did consider it. one part of me is saying I should give teh guys a break and try and appreciate what they did, another part of me is saying, why the hell should i make excuses for them?

well even when i looked at that proportion and thought that part looked the same, I still thought it looked wrong. it felt wrong.

i looked at the balance of the enterprise as i feel it should be. it looks like a graceful swan in some ways. but more important, it looks like it is leaning forwards.

this is due to hte balance being thrown forwards, the engineering is mostly outside the dish. but with the new one, the engineering is mostly underneath the dish. it doesn't look like it leaning. this is why it feels wrong to me. I felt like the enterprise always looked graceful, but now it doesn't look gracefrul.

actually i have thought about the artistic merits of this design and i disagree with it because it does something that reall irks me.

something that has really bothered me about this new star trek. sex.

they seem to focus on it in a way star trek never has. it's hard to explain.. but when i looked at it, this new enteprise i realised what the designer had done.

the designer had changed teh engineering section into the enterprises 'gear'.

it's supposed to be the body, but now it is it's 'tackle'.

it takes away the innocense and purity of star trek for me. i am not a very sex focused individual, I keep that part of me to places and times where it is appropriate, so that is something i love about the star trek universe. it has always been appropriate. but this new one is not appropriate in that sense.

[Guest IC Ominae]

i was half expecting them to say, this is a initial design they were trying out. i half expected at the end, the force of the singularity to strip away that stupid body moulding and reveal the proper shape underneath.

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It's more severe then that, this one is 3,000 feet long ie several times larger then the original.

[*Jess♥]

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It's more severe then that, this one is 3,000 feet long ie several times larger then the original.

what is that site based on?

and how accurate do you think it can truly be?

ex-astris-scientia has it at 295m.

which, when looking at the windows, makes perfect sense.

[durendal]

Well, I just saw the movie tonight. I didn't expect anything, and I kinda enjoyed it. It's just the alternate reality thing that still bugs me.

[LordSpleach]

Q can fix that.

[*Jess♥]

yeah, just watch the whole series' of star trek from TOS to ENT and we will somply say that Q set everything back to normal. by some miracle everything is exactly the same as it was. you could swear you had seen it before. that Q is magnificent.

[LordSpleach]

And funny too.

[*YoungGuyver]

It would be fun and weird if 'this' Kirk met the original Kirk. If Spock got hit on from nurse Chapel, and 'this' Uhura got offended. That would be fun. I like that even this Kirk got to do the Kobiashi Maru in the same way. The Apple was priceless (funny, someone mentioned that in Trek 2, Kirk was eating an apple while talking about the test, and this Kirk was eating an apple while doing the test)

What is weird, is that this Trek movie made more in its second weekend than it did in its first. 77 million compared to 75, for a total of 152. Not bad. Looks like they might makes the other two movies in the trilogy after all. What voyage, what portion of the universe will the Enterprise explore next?

[durendal]

What voyage, what portion of the universe will the Enterprise explore next?

Probably to someplace where no man has gone before?

We saw how Picard and Janeway dealt with the borg. But wouldn't it be interesting to see how Kirk would deal with the borg?

Also, comparing the series ships of Kirk, Picard and Janeway, I personally feel that the Voyager is definitely the strongest with a lot of borg enhancement. You'd have to wonder how the federation would be able to fend off the borg without Janeway's help.

[*YoungGuyver]

Wouldn't the borg be immune to their own weapons? Shouldn't they already know how to adapt to them?

[durendal]

What Janeway brought back to starfleet not only consists of borg technology but also the experience and knowhow of how to handle the borg. Being able to encounter the borg collective a number of times surely gave the crew of the voyager knowledge on how to handle them.

[LordSpleach]

Not to mention new star charts, first contact with many races, new scientific research, and new technology besides Borg. That's why she an Admiral now.

[Salkafar]

For all who thought this was disrespectful...

"Here's what Gene [Roddenberry] said in an interview just before he died in August 1991; somebody had asked him, 'What's going to become of Star Trek in the future?' And he said that he hoped that some day some bright young thing would come along and do it again, bigger and better than he had ever done it. And he wished them well."

— Richard Arnold, Roddenberry's assistant

[*Jess♥]

only problem with that is that you need a good definition of the word 'better'.

[Salkafar]

Well, Ryuki, I think it was better than the average episode of TOS.

And they´ve only just begun.

[*Jess♥]

in some respect it's true, but i am unsure if it fits in with gene roddenberry's vision. i.e. different cultures coming together and living in harmony.

[The Luna Diviner]

i just saw it yesterday and i love id. ive never seen an episode of star treck in my life, but i seriously loved this movie. i got out of the theater and wanted to hop to another one just to go see it again. its one of the best movies ive seen so far this year.