Poll: Warrior Guyver vs. Warrior Guyver

[WarriorZoalord]

Yes and no, the Praetorian Units are all based on the WG2 with the GWOTG Mark II tech upgrade.

The net result is more powerful units but the abilities are mutated every time the unit is activated because of the unpredictable nature of the MKII on the WG2.

Like Guardian's tendril whips are hardly part of the original WG2 design. :apt:

So in otherwords, each praetorian unit would be in essence random like WGC's meteor attack? since thats something no other normal WG can do... ooooh, i bet if he got upgraded to a praetorian all hge'd get is the bio-energy doubler, which in essence would be like a CPM to him. >>

[Juggernought]

So then there is a set upper limit to the extent of the mutation? Is the unit trying to find an equilibrium between the foreign tech and itself?

[*zeo]

A balance between the tech and the host, MKII is inherently random for most units it is applied to.

It's also part of the Unit's nature to adapt to the host and the MKII gives more options to embody that nature.

[guyverfanatic]

So in otherwords, each praetorian unit would be in essence random like WGC's meteor attack? since thats something no other normal WG can do... ooooh, i bet if he got upgraded to a praetorian all hge'd get is the bio-energy doubler, which in essence would be like a CPM to him. >>

Well his CPM's already power his meteor attack. I'd love to see him get a Mark II upgrade.

[WarriorZoalord]

So in otherwords, each praetorian unit would be in essence random like WGC's meteor attack? since thats something no other normal WG can do... ooooh, i bet if he got upgraded to a praetorian all hge'd get is the bio-energy doubler, which in essence would be like a CPM to him. >>

Well his CPM's already power his meteor attack. I'd love to see him get a Mark II upgrade.

yes, I know that. I'm just saying that the BED would pretty much give him access to the CPM abilities that WG2 has, as in he would be able to boost himself and still have access to his meteor attack..... unless the units really evil and just has the BED power his meteor attack more >>

[*zeo]

It's more complicated than that!

[guyverfanatic]

It's more complicated than that!

How complicated exactly?

[*zeo]

You know better than to ask, "exactly"!

No Comment! on exact questions on things that deal with stuff not yet revealed in the fic.

But the answer is there if you just think about it...

[guyverfanatic]

You know better than to ask, "exactly"!

No Comment! on exact questions on things that deal with stuff not yet revealed in the fic.

But the answer is there if you just think about it...

Shoot. I guess I have to think over it a bit...

[WarriorZoalord]

well, the only difference i can think of between the CPM's and the BED is the fact that the BED boosts all aspects at the same time i think, and the fact that it drains the users energy reserves, even guardian was weakened for a while when she tried to use both at the same time.... thus even HSL's arent able to compensate for BED usage.... maybe dready could, considering he has like 3 HSL's while in his gigantic armor.

[W'Kar]

Actually it would just use all three at double. Dready would still be drained, but for far far less time. Any longer than a second and I'd be surprised.

[OnyxPhoenix]

I think W'Kar's got it right. Besides, old Dready does have a triple HSL power system set up for him, and that really does not get drained unless he really is going all out to kick the bleep out of the ones trying to hurt him and the ones he cares for.

[*zeo]

Actually Dreadnought has to hold back because he has too much power, since the HSL system uses the host to regulate it can literally burn him out going full out.

So the reason he has to power down is not because he's straining his reserves but rather because his unit needs time to keep him stable and regenerate any disintegration from using too much power at one time.

The BED has a similar problem in that it makes the unit go beyond its normal limits and thus risks destroying the host body from the raw power being channeled through it.

The CPM power boost has a similar problem but it is a limited boost and so can be withstood for prolonged periods of time, additionally it can be used externally to avoid the problem, but try stacking CPM's, as some have suggested in the past, and you just stack the strain put on the host till they are burnt out and the unit has to wait till the host is regenerated before it can re-activate the HSL system.

Guardian achieves her 10x power level through a combination of the HSL and CPM that thanks to the MKII upgrade have been integrated and given a secondary regulation system that allows her to achieve that level of power continuously without burning out the host. The BED system though still goes beyond her unit's ability to handle and thus her unit has to power down after using the BED or risk burning the host out.

[OnyxPhoenix]

Thanks for that clarification, zeo.

[McAvoy]

Let's also remember that the Guardian is a little bit more durable than a standard Warrior Guyver unit. I highly doubt a regular Warrior Guyver unit can actually withstand the stress of the BED without burning out the unit.

If WGC had a BED, he would seriously burn out his unit like I said. But I think if he were to be upgraded to MK. II then considering the power of the Comet Attack, then the unit might go into Powered Down mode.

Dreadnought already has a version of BED of a sort anyway. It's just the Matrix regulating the power to last longer as well.

[WarriorZoalord]

the BED Is a Mk II tech only I think, so any unit who gets one, has to be upgraded to Mk II, thus WGC would become a Praetorian Variant if he was upgraded with Mk II.

[McAvoy]

It is and you are correct.

I thought the original question how would the Bio Doubler work on WGC. Interestingly I think since all Mk. II enhancements are uinque maybe, a WGC II would have a mutation that would enhance his Comet Attack? Maybe some sort Gravity Crusher combo Comet Attack perhaps? Or his armor would morph for better impact damage for Comet attack. But who knows maybe he'll just grow a tail or a third eye... or his eyes would become seperate again...

[WarriorZoalord]

speaking of WGC and Mk II tech, I wonder how Mk II tech would affect the giant unit if it were applied to it, or even normal aceaers for that fact. though i dont know if any Aceaers are possible to have Mk II tech, aside from maybe hyper/crimson aceaer and the giant unit. the hyper since it has a kavzars control crystal in it, and the giant simply because it has the CM ring on it.

[McAvoy]

As far as the Giant unit is concerned I would hazard a guess it might be merged with the unit to become a single unit or it might end up being smaller or bigger. But as far as how powerful it would be, I would guess around the 15x to 16x range. The Power Punch may become even more powerful, probably rival even Dreadnought's Power Punch. May even be able to channel the Comet Attacke energies into the Power Punch instead for a truly powerful attack. Around the 15 to 20 kiloton range.

[largo]

Actually Dreadnought has to hold back because he has too much power, since the HSL system uses the host to regulate it can literally burn him out going full out.

So the reason he has to power down is not because he's straining his reserves but rather because his unit needs time to keep him stable and regenerate any disintegration from using too much power at one time.

The BED has a similar problem in that it makes the unit go beyond its normal limits and thus risks destroying the host body from the raw power being channeled through it.

The CPM power boost has a similar problem but it is a limited boost and so can be withstood for prolonged periods of time, additionally it can be used externally to avoid the problem, but try stacking CPM's, as some have suggested in the past, and you just stack the strain put on the host till they are burnt out and the unit has to wait till the host is regenerated before it can re-activate the HSL system.

Guardian achieves her 10x power level through a combination of the HSL and CPM that thanks to the MKII upgrade have been integrated and given a secondary regulation system that allows her to achieve that level of power continuously without burning out the host. The BED system though still goes beyond her unit's ability to handle and thus her unit has to power down after using the BED or risk burning the host out.

Umm... A Question if Dreadnought can't use his full power because he'd burn out then if he were to allow the matrix to alter his DNA would he be able to use more of his energy.

[*zeo]

Yes, it's one of the reason Zagam is more powerful.

[largo]

Thanks I thought so.

[exscaped_pyscho]

Imagine what Jason would acheive if he allowed himself to altered into a zoalord! I shudder to think.....and yet I am fasinated by the prospect.

[McAvoy]

He woud be powerful beyond imagination. Even as a proto zoalord he would be around the 3,750x range at the least. The Matrix probably would make his body even more efficient for use by the armor.

[Spartan Warlord]

im no scientist but if jason had the time/knowledge to increase his power through dna manipulation...he wouldnt have to make much of a change would he? im sure even the smallest change can have an effect...and even if he did change his dna couldnt the matrix just change it back...thats if jason knows he has this abilitly and the time to use it...but couldnt the matrix just change him on the spot and instaantly power him up?