Most skilled Warrior Guyver Host?

[McAvoy]

Here's a list, some of them assumed:

1. Jason O'Conner: FBI Training and presumable some pre-Warrior Guyver training for the armors.

2. Stephen Cain: Marine training and ACTF armor training. Might even be special ops. Personal Opinion.

3. Agito Makishima: Chronos training. Hihgly experienced as a Guyver.

4. Amuro Rei: Military training. You just don't become a mercenary for the fun of it.

5. Lorcan Lebedeva: Military training. You just don't become a mercenary for the fun of it.

6. Max Steiner: None, experience from being a Guyver only.

7. Fiona O'Conner: None, very little experience from being a Guyver.\

8. Faye: Some combat experience from her original time. Experienced as a Guyver.

9. Vamore: Chronos zoaform training.

So who do you think it is? Keep in mind I did not include half Warrior types or prototypes. So beings like the Warrior Kavzar, Tonnin or Life Force Guyver are not included here.

[*zeo]

Since I have insider knowledge I'll wait till everyone else posts before revealing my vote.

[Juggernought]

I believe it would be Agito...he's got high class chronos level training not to mention he's an highly intelligent strategist when it comes to fighting and planning out a battle plan. He has no problem manipulating people to his advantage or killing them. He does what it takes to win. But my other choice would be Faye. She's got creator combat training and she has none of the moral issues humans have today about fighting or killing.

[Spartan Warlord]

i would also say agito due to his chronus training and well rounded knowledge plus that at the core hes out for him self...i was goin to say jason but as far as raw skill goes he doesnt have as much as agito as the matrix provides all the combat information he needs so doesnt need to rely so much on himself....

[Kamui de' Tempest]

I would have to say Faye. My reasoning behind this is that Creator combative hand to hand techniques may be the progenitor of current martial arts. Plus since she was back in the hunter gather times, her skills are more instinctive (intuitive??) and ingrained in her since it was paramount to her survival. Faye all day. Granted Agito is slick and highly proficient in modern day martial arts....but we're talking about CREATOR FIGHTING TECHNIQUES. Who knows the full extent of her battle prowess.

[Spartan Warlord]

i would have to disagree with faye...indeed she may have been a hunter but those skills would have little use on that battle field unless she was hunting a pre historic animal that knew martial arts.

when you say skill i presume u mean how well they are without their guyver armour?...and if thats the case i would still say agito as he was more prepared to bond with the guyver unit not to mention the fact that out of all the warrior guyvers hes been bonded longer than anyone.

[Juggernought]

Even though i voted Agito....one more thing i forgot to mention about Faye being a very close second is that she is totally unpredictable and out of control. Even General Carter would have wished for her to remain human rather than Steven giving her the Praetorian Unit.

Btw...will there be any insight as to what Jason's matrix did with her damaged guyver unit?

[guyverfanatic]

I vote Jason as the most skilled host.

[WarriorZoalord]

I said jason, mainly for the fact that hes like guyver 1 in a way, hes always discovering new abilities and such before anyone else, even if it is with the help of the matrix. I bet he could beat any of the other WG's while letting them borrow his dreadnought unit.

[Juggernought]

The only reason Jason is even dangerous is because the Dreadnought armor and the matrix makes him that way and gives him the capabilities of killing nearly any known guyvers. It's his power that gains him that respect in my opinion. If he was just a base WG he wouldn't be that significant..But give someone like Agito or even Faye his power and you'll have much much more to worry about.

[Thunder Demon1472669266]

See, that's tough. There's many different levels of skill.

I agree with WarriorZoalord. I agree with Kamui. I agree with Juggernought and Spartan Warlord. That's three people I agree with. That's a scary thought. See, if you take all of those parts of skill and role it into one, then you possibly have a three way tie between Faye, Jason, and Agito. Which, by the way is how I vote. I can't vote that way, so I haven't voted.

By the way, it's not always skill or power that wins either. Even the smallest, weakest mouse can out smart a fox.

[McAvoy]

I'm suprised no one voted for the two mercenarys. The only reason whay I say that is on average a mercenary is a person of military training to begin with either got out went there for better pay (Black Water), or they washed out, or they were too unstable for the military.

I voted for Stephen Cain purely for the fact that on average a Marine is better trained then any of the other military forces.

Agito Makashima is a close second if not tied with WG2 because of his training with Chronos. Though I am curious on what kind of training it was since zoaform training can vary upon which form he is given of course.

[largo]

Agito for the simple fact that he is by far the most skilled guyver.

[Juggernought]

Agito Makashima is a close second if not tied with WG2 because of his training with Chronos. Though I am curious on what kind of training it was since zoaform training can vary upon which form he is given of course.

I would bet he's more than likely had Hyper Zoanoid training due to his status within Chronos as being a brilliant mind and tactician, also due to the fact his "father" was also the CEO of Chronos Japan. As far as the WG universe goes, he could have been considered for Proto-zoalord or even overlord status.

[*zeo]

Well, let's consider the characters in a little more detail...

1. Jason O'Conner: FBI Training and presumable some pre-Warrior Guyver training for the armors.

More like Punisher like training, remember two things he lost his entire family on X-Day and he was not only slated to be the host of the Warrior Guyver but also was the protector and liason for Guyver US before he became WG.

2. Stephen Cain: Marine training and ACTF armor training. Might even be special ops. Personal Opinion.

Special Ops is a good guess, though after X-Day only special ops would do for a normal soldier to stand a chance against zoanoids. However, aside from proving himself and patriotism he never had as strong motivation as Jason and Agito had.

And we do have examples of WG2 fighting other characters like Nova Blaze for comparison.

3. Agito Makishima: Chronos training. Hihgly experienced as a Guyver.

Definitely a bad ass fighter but most of that comes from his cold hearted ruthlessness. He's more a tactician than a fighter for example. Even though he is highly trained and his motivation is driven by revenge similar to Jason.

Agito however has never shown the heart that Jason and Sho have shown in battle. Also remember he was still a teenager when he became Guyver 3 so most of his training wasn't yet for preparation for some Chronos position but rather because of the resources his elite position granted him access to.

Chronos wasn't really considering him yet until after he betrayed his adopted father for any real position. But shortly after that he was revealed to be G3.

4. Amuro Rei: Military training. You just don't become a mercenary for the fun of it.

Yes, though skill levels may vary mercs, especially those still operating after X-Day had to be damn good or extremely lucky.

5. Lorcan Lebedeva: Military training. You just don't become a mercenary for the fun of it.

This is an interesting case because Lorcan, as WG5, also has access to Jason's memories and thus also Jason's training on top of his own. Though inversely this could also be against him, in terms of how it could also confuse him.

6. Max Steiner: None, experience from being a Guyver only.

Well, aside from any training he has received since becoming a Guyver.

7. Fiona O'Conner: None, very little experience from being a Guyver.

She's a fighter though and it's not like Jason hasn't taught her any moves.

8. Faye: Some combat experience from her original time. Experienced as a Guyver.

Actually trained from birth to be a warrior and is in better physical conditioning than any other character in the story. Think a cross between Tarzan and the Punisher.

9. Vamore: Chronos zoaform training.

Still just a basic zoanoid type, which chronos considers expendable and is a firepower type so never really considered for hand to hand.

This means it is little more than a weapon and would only have basic training in combat. In otherwords a grunt foot soldier with a really big gun to play with.

[OnyxPhoenix]

As posted, I voted for Jason (#1), and for Stephen (#2.) Would've voted for Agito because of his training & ruthlessness, which allows him to make full use of a Guyver / Warrior Unit's abilities w/o remorse, but seeing how he joined w/ a Warrior Unit after Jason and Stephen, he comes up #3, but still, a very close heat. Jason was the first one to merge w/ and begin using the Warrior Unit, not to mention he's been through the most vaporizations (I think?) and the most intensive battles since he became active. Stephen, on the other hand, also had the same military training levels as Jason, just more basis on fighting and tactics maybe, and also, his Unit has a few unique features (CPMs, extra laser orbs, etc.) that make him such a bad a**. All of the others in this voting poll have their strengths as well, but their lack of experience in battle & w/ their powers leaves Jason and Stephen on top of the heap.

P.S. Kinda sorry the Novas weren't mentioned, but hey, it's for Warrior Guyvers. Too bad; they'd do well w/ their Shaolin training (Kung Fu, anyone?)

[Juggernought]

P.S. Kinda sorry the Novas weren't mentioned, but hey, it's for Warrior Guyvers. Too bad; they'd do well w/ their Shaolin training (Kung Fu, anyone?)

I actually agree with that statement....above all if Sai hadn't bonded with the Nova unit and had bonded with a Warrior instead, he would have been the most deadly host and unit combination. He was beating Steven until his energy ran out.

[McAvoy]

If I were to include all Guyvers then hands down it would be Primitive Guyver. You cannot beat millions of years of combat experience and mastery of all known martial arts.

As far as Jason is concerned, I have long suspected that he recieved some sort of special training. He was the first choice to get the Warrior Guyver unit. I would surmise that the selection process is similar to how the military promotes it's people, but more like the promotion from E-1 (Recruit) to O-10 (Four or Five Star General). Incredibly hard to get through.

Stephen Cain also was selected twice as well. WG's Stephen Cain was selected to became Aceaer Marine and WG2 became WG2. You don't just randomly select someone to get their most powerful weapon.

The exception to this rule is of course Cori which from a military standpoint makes no sense.

[*zeo]

He was beating Steven until his energy ran out.

Indeed, despite the fact WG2 was both faster and stronger than Nova Blaze as well. Not to mention the WG natural combat enhancement as it augments host combat skills and reaction time practically gave Stephen a 2 to 1 advantage and Sai still held his own until he got exhausted.

But that's part of why Stephen was impressed with Sai afterward and didn't take advantage of him at that point.

The exception to this rule is of course Cori which from a military standpoint makes no sense.

Well no sense aside from eliminating her as one of Sean's vulnerabilities, so he can concentrate on fighting for the ACTF, and ensuring the safely of the one person on Earth who knew more about the Creators than anyone else outside of Chronos.

Besides which the Battle Unit is primarily a defensive type, so fits VIP Cori

So militarily it was a tactical choice, especially with the new Grakken threat revealing itself, that not only protected an asset but also made it possible to bring her skills to the forefront whenever the ACTF would be faced with something alien.

[OnyxPhoenix]

Hey, don't forget, zeo, that Stephan was being a bit of a jerk before during their testing, saying that they just Warrior wannabes, although I think that was from some subconscious nudging that he was getting by Lorcan (WG5), who probably didn't even know he was doing it, but was enjoying the strife it was causing anyway. Any way, in the end, Stephan came back to his senses, saving Starfire (?) or Psi-Guyver (?), and then, settling his rivalry w/ Sai @ Area 51 for insulting his sister. Loved that fight, especially how Sai refused to give up against the greater power of the Warrior Unit.

Also, if memory serves, Sai may be getting together w/ one of the other Novas (Dark Nova), while Keilynn might be getting close to Ninja. Aw, isn't that special?

[Juggernought]

Plus he is changing and becoming stronger, as is his sister..they may yet become equal or rival the Warrior Unit's powers.

[Kamui de' Tempest]

And what Zeo said about Faye pretty fully articulated what I could not...apparently. Will always be the most skilled fighter to me. Trained since birth in the art of war and survival, not because she was trying to attain some high position in a global company, but because the very lively hood of her and her tribe depended on her ability to hunt, kill, and protect them efficiently...proficiently and without remorse ( like the rest of her tribe). And who knows what kind of environment she trained and lived in. It's proven that high altitude training yields far better results then training at lets say....the Gym. Born and raised to be a warrior...a protector getting trumped by SpecOps training? where do you think they model some of the training regiment from? Older tried a true methods adapted from far and wide i would think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SERE SERE trianing didn't just pop in a persons head prefabricated. they took someone who went through a situation like that and asked him how they made it.

[Aranor]

Krav Maga would be another great example. A fighting style designed around modern day needs.

Anyway, I have a couple things to point out against Faye.

1) the era in which she was raised. The things she would have had to fight against were simple minded (simpler than she) and quite predictable. Dig a hole, chase a boar into it, run it through with spears.

2) she would have fought in a pack. One on one against a wild boar and a human has little chance. (weaponless)

While she is a great character I think anyone that has a couple of moments to study her would find her actions to be predictable. Remember, her fighting style is of the oldest and most primitive.

And because of that, for best host, my vote goes to Agito.

[Juggernought]

1) She was trained by the creators...i'd hardly think their battle methods are primitive. Granted a bit outdated but she could always improvise. I think the creators would be constantly testing them to see who was worthy of becoming a zoalord or any kind of zoanoid. So she would be ready for anything.

2) When jason met her she was eating a kill by herself which would account that she had the skills to hunt alone and more than take care of herself in that kind of environment.

3) And your right, she is predictable. We can expect her to attack with extreme prejudice and have no moral restraints on the battle field, therefore one shouldn't take her lightly.

Ha, i find it strange i would defend her so much when i voted the other way, but she does deserve a good standing.

[*zeo]

You basically got it right Juggernought ...

1) the era in which she was raised. The things she would have had to fight against were simple minded (simpler than she) and quite predictable. Dig a hole, chase a boar into it, run it through with spears.

Misconception, humans were not just kept in captivity by the Creators. They had to prove themselves as being warriors and suited to being the weapons the Creators needed, which mean they fought everything from Dinosaurs, to fellow humans on through to zoanoids.

And the one human trait that sets us apart from all other life on Earth is our brains. The Creators didn't zoaform humans until after they had already chosen us to be their weapons of choice.

Zoaforming was just their way of giving us the physical tools to go along with our brains. Like giving a soldier a gun, doesn't do much good unless you train them first.

2) she would have fought in a pack. One on one against a wild boar and a human has little chance. (weaponless)

Correction, a modern human would have little chance, most of us don't even run a mile or lift more than our own weight. But ancient humans would have all been like Tarzan, able to run for miles even while carrying their own weight in supplies, etc. In fact it has been shown early hunters basically ran down their prey with marathon running that the other animals simply couldn't handle.

Also Faye was an outcast from the other humans (reasons will be better explained in Chronicles), which is why Jason found her by herself and why she has been so loyal to him.

So she had to prove herself all on her own back then, which means she had to be deadly.

While she is a great character I think anyone that has a couple of moments to study her would find her actions to be predictable. Remember, her fighting style is of the oldest and most primitive.

And because of that, for best host, my vote goes to Agito.

Violent yes, but predictable not so much. Aside from consistently choosing a violent method of solving a situation that is.

Even Jason doesn't know what she will do all the time.

Agito is a tactician but once you take into account his ruthless nature then he becomes quite predictable.

Faye on the other hand follows instincts and a mind set we're not use to so she isn't always predictable.

And lets remember there is a difference between fighting and war.

Faye is better at fighting while Agito is better at war.

Basically put, putting Faye and Agito in the same room without their Units would be like putting a modern man in a room with a lioness.