W'Kar Fic Preview 2

[*zeo]

No, the Kregen are not gods. They aren't aware of everything happening in all realities at the same time. In fact the paradox makes it hard for them to even look into the WG universe.

If you ever watched the movie, or read the book it was based on, "The Sound of Thunder" you'd see even the tiniest of things can cause major changes to the time stream.

What Jason did was like the Butterfly effect times infinity!

Speaking of which the "Butterfly Effect" is another good movie example, but that movie only involved the years and events of a single person. This compared to the Time War event which at minimum effected Earth and all the worlds of the Creators.

Also once a Time Paradox is created it is almost impossible to undo. So once the Kregen became aware of the event it was already too late for them to do anything about it.

So they do in fact want the Time War Paradox undone. They just can't do it while Jason still exists.

It'll basically be like trying to repair the damage from a hurricane while the hurricane is still there.

Anyway, why do you all think Jason is going to die just because the Kregen want him gone?

Like I said the Kregen aren't gods, they're just multi-dimensional beings. They didn't even predict Anubis and they already said he wasn't suppose to happen.

And though he too threatens other realities they haven't done anything to him either.

This is in part because they believe they have to deal with the source before they can deal with the symptoms.

But it doesn't mean it is the only way to fix the situation.

[W'Kar]

Kregen aren't gods by any sense of a word. The Guyver is closer to a god than they are. The Kregen are multidimensional beings exactly as Zeo is saying. They are highly aware, but not omniscent. One things start going awry they can't do much at all from what little they could do in the first place.

And now that the 'Multiversal Hurricane' as it has been penned is seriously degrading their ability to even see what is going on, much less do anything about it.

What they want exactly is for it to end, and Jason has to be stopped before they can do anything. How he will be stopped is open to speculation. Killing him is a direct solution, but is it the best solution? Who knows.

[WarriorZoalord]

but is it the best solution? Who knows.

Tell him to stop dimensional hopping with his damn matrix XD

[exscaped_pyscho]

Exactly! The one aproach they havn't tried is simple comunication. I do not understand why they didn't even atempt some form of comunication with Jason prior to sending W'kar there. Although they might have sent W'kar there just to keep him busy. Otherwise he probably would have continuied trying to regain access to his home demension. Leading to a battle he isn't yet prepared for.

Now as far as the Kregen I never thought of them as any type of all powerful beings. Otherwise why would they need W'kar to help them? They themselves have mentioned that they cannot effect anything within the physical demensions (or lower planes). But if time is fluid and they exist in all times simialtaniously (as they claim) why couldn't they stop Dreadnought from becoming what he is or even stop the first Paradox from being created.

Ultimately I think the two universe must be seperated and the contaminations and crossovers (Guardian, Shendal's Matrix, Zagam,etch) must be removed, or countered. My opionion is that W'kar is a counter move to prevent future contamination, by preventing the need for future demensional or temperal crossing by Dreadnought. The ultimate question is what do they intend to do about Anubis and Zagam? After all Zagam poses nearly as great of a threat as Dreadnought as far as demensional contaminations. Ultimatly I look at the Kregen as beings like the Ascended in Stargate SG-1. Powerful but unable to effect anything on the material world. Obviously there are some differnces. But the comparisen is vallid.

[*zeo]

Exactly! The one aproach they havn't tried is simple comunication. I do not understand why they didn't even atempt some form of comunication with Jason prior to sending W'kar there.

Because it would have done no good.

Just imagine the conversation, "Mr. O'Conner, can you please cease to exist, or just off yourself, so we can repair the damage you've done to the Multi-verse. Oh, btw everyone you know will also cease to exist when we restore the original time line."

Really, Jason is the Nexus of the Time Paradox and that's something they simply can't talk him out of.

That's like asking someone if they could make it so they were never born to begin with.

Not to mention being the Nexus of the Time Paradox means wherever he is the Paradox follows so they couldn't talk to him even if they wanted to.

But if time is fluid and they exist in all times simialtaniously (as they claim) why couldn't they stop Dreadnought from becoming what he is or even stop the first Paradox from being created.

Because once a paradox is created it is impossible for the Kregen to do anything to that reality until the source has been removed.

The Kregen aren't just blocked from the WG Earth, they are blocked from the WG universe.

And the ripples of that disruption is even spreading to other realities.

My opionion is that W'kar is a counter move to prevent future contamination, by preventing the need for future demensional or temperal crossing by Dreadnought.

The multiverse is all connected, all that would do is slow the spread of the contamination.

The ultimate question is what do they intend to do about Anubis and Zagam? After all Zagam poses nearly as great of a threat as Dreadnought as far as demensional contaminations. Ultimatly I look at the Kregen as beings like the Ascended in Stargate SG-1. Powerful but unable to effect anything on the material world. Obviously there are some differnces. But the comparisen is vallid.

You just answered your own question.

Btw, dimensional contamination is nowhere near as bad as a Time Paradox.

The difference being a Time Paradox is the equivalent of a black hole for the multi-verse. You have multiple realities collapsing into each other to form a new amalgamated reality. But each reality is still its own but intermingled as they co-exist.

Basically a distorted mess.

While dimension hoping is like little earthquakes. Things get shaken up but life goes on for the multiverse.

And the Kregen would only be concerned about things that effect the Multi-verse.

Whether we live or die means nothing to the Kregen, we're like ants to them anyway. So unless we do something that bothers them they will ignore us just like we ignore ants.

So they really aren't that worried about Anubis or even Zagam but they are worried about Jason.

[McAvoy]

Because it would have done no good.

Just imagine the conversation, "Mr. O'Conner, can you please cease to exist, or just off yourself, so we can repair the damage you've done to the Multi-verse. Oh, btw everyone you know will also cease to exist when we restore the original time line."

Really, Jason is the Nexus of the Time Paradox and that's something they simply can't talk him out of.

That's like asking someone if they could make it so they were never born to begin with.

Not to mention being the Nexus of the Time Paradox means wherever he is the Paradox follows so they couldn't talk to him even if they wanted to.

Also doesn't help that if they restore the original timeline, Guyver zoalord would still be alive.

Actually, wouldn't there be billions of varying WG realities where Warrior Guyver did stop the Guyver Zoalord in some form or fashion? i find it hard to believe that the realities are that diverse from each other.

[W'Kar]

For the sake of preventing absolute insanity in our writing crew and readers we choose to only deal with universes that have major differences.

[McAvoy]

So nobody will write about that universe about the ant that decided to take a left as opposed to the ant in another took a right?

Well, in your fanfic you have the universe's marked by number...

[W'Kar]

Mostly because of the Kregen trying to relate information to W'Kar in a dumbed down way. Kregen communication is vastly beyond what he is capable of understanding.

Anubis, for example, simply knows which dimension. More will be expressed on that point in later chapters of GWOTG.

But on a side note, yes, I do write fics about ant like universes. And giant feet. And a shaved gorilla. But those were very confusing times for me and I prefer to spare what little is left of mortal sanity within me from delving into worlds so non-euclidian.

[McAvoy]

Well giving a dimension a number makes alot of sense though at least for cataloging. I wonder what Dimension 1 is... probably something about ants, giant feet and a shaved gorilla.

[W'Kar]

Yep. The guyvers of that universe are very odd. Bonded with halflings you see.

It is also for the reader as well. I just wasn't about to go 1...2...3...5...1838...4, or anything like that.

[exscaped_pyscho]

Ok Zeo, My previous post was working under the assumption that it was future Paradoxes and demensional hoping that they were trying to prevent. They themselves said that was W'kar's mission. I don't understand why they can't simpley open a rift and talk to him. The medium the use to commincate with us 'ants' is always hyper space, which is still accessibly to us so thusly I'm assuming it is still accessibly to them as well. Now they could explain that Jason cannot use his abilities to create any other temperal paradoxes because it will cause the destruction of everything he is seaking to preserve. That would be more than enough to give Jason pause, in my opinion. The impression I got from reading that fic was that they did not want the time paradox undone because it woud destroy the time line all together. If all timelines and demensions exist simultaniously within the multiverse wouldn't it be a much larger destructive force to destroy an entire timeline?

If Jason is the hurricane and all that is needed is for it's coarse to be changed to preserve the multiverse then it can be done. If the storm has to be undone altogether well then Jason's in it deep. And the entire fanfic will become moot if the Kregen achieve this end. No Jason, No fanfic (or Earth for that matter). Now I've always seen the Kregen as a good force in the fanfics but if they become the enemy of the main 'good guy' then there possition as 'good guys' is obviously reversed and they are as bad as Anubis.

One question....I've always assumed that it was krullnar's visit and then Dready and the gang's visit to W'kar's universe that created the unexpected ripple called Anubis. Now is this correct is or it a result of contamintaion from the Paradox created by the Time War?

[*zeo]

Actually, wouldn't there be billions of varying WG realities where Warrior Guyver did stop the Guyver Zoalord in some form or fashion? i find it hard to believe that the realities are that diverse from each other.

Actually no, like I said the paradox acts like a black hole to the multiverse with realities collapsing into each other forming an amalgamated mess. It's one of the reasons the Kregen really don't like it.

To them the WG universe is like a dead zone.

I don't understand why they can't simpley open a rift and talk to him.

It's really, really, really, really, really, simple since I already said why.

Here's an analogy, imagine you wanted to talk to someone in the middle of a class 5 twister (that's the finger of god type), the person inside the twister is blissfully unaware of the damage going on around them since they are at the heart of the storm, but any attempt to even approach the twister will most likely result in your death and the destruction of anything else you try to send in.

Also remember that both me and Allen have already really, really, really emphasized the fact the Kregen are not gods.

Now imagine the Kregen even considering trying and I'll show you an insane and suicidal Kregen.

So I repeat Jason is the Nexus of the Time Paradox, there is no way for the Kregen to communicate with him and no point since only the end of his existence will stop the Time Paradox.

The medium the use to commincate with us 'ants' is always hyper space, which is still accessibly to us so thusly I'm assuming it is still accessibly to them as well.

Back to the analogy... Air is also a medium and the twister doesn't cut you off from that medium, it just makes certain interactions with it dangerous. It doesn't mean air is unsafe or untranversable. Similarly hyper space continues to function as before.

But like getting hit by a Tsunami those effected by the paradox are not the same as before.

Really, Jason and the rest of the WG universe is pretty much already effected by the time paradox so they don't notice anything. Only those like the Kregen are really aware of the damage being done.

Now they could explain that Jason cannot use his abilities to create any other temperal paradoxes because it will cause the destruction of everything he is seaking to preserve.

That would be a lie, the Paradox created the world he knows. It's dangerous only to other realities and the multi-verse beings like the Kregen.

The impression I got from reading that fic was that they did not want the time paradox undone because it woud destroy the time line all together. If all timelines and demensions exist simultaniously within the multiverse wouldn't it be a much larger destructive force to destroy an entire timeline?

Incorrect impression, they want the time paradox undone. And yes, they also want future disasters adverted as well. If the problem was static then they wouldn't worry as much but just like a black hole you just can't ignore it and also just like a black hole just because it already has done damage doesn't mean it's done doing damage.

While the elimination of a single time line would only cause another to take its place but a time paradox causes different realities to overlap and collapse into each other.

Now I've always seen the Kregen as a good force in the fanfics but if they become the enemy of the main 'good guy' then there possition as 'good guys' is obviously reversed and they are as bad as Anubis.

Sometimes goodguy or badguy are separated only by the perception of the observer.

Anubis wants to create order, he's just absolutely ruthless about how he will achieve that goal.

While the Kregen have always acted in their own best interest, their concern is themselves and the multiverse.

Jason on the other hand is only concerned about his one corner of the multiverse.

In some respects they each consider themselves the good guy and if they ever meet then they will consider the other the bad guy.

One question....I've always assumed that it was krullnar's visit and then Dready and the gang's visit to W'kar's universe that created the unexpected ripple called Anubis. Now is this correct is or it a result of contamintaion from the Paradox created by the Time War?

That's one of the problems with a paradox, hard to know where it begins and where it ends.

The thing to remember is there had always been a link between the WG2 and WG universes. After all it was the WG2 Creators that created the Barrier to prevent the Guyver Zoalord of the WG universe from escaping into other realities. But that was a response to the original time line.

So since the purpose of the barrier is linked to the original time line the paradox which eliminated that threat would in turn have effected and thus corrupted the WG2 universe.

Which brings up whether we should consider WG2 bringing the Matrix to Jason as coincidents or not.

[W'Kar]

This much I can say.

Perspective is extremely important to my stories. The Creators are the good guys to themselves, the Kregen are good guys to themselves. The ACTF are good guys to themselves, and W'Kar and Dreadnought and everyone else sees themselves as the good guys. However, everyones agenda is vastly different.

For example, if six innocent people die in crossfire W'Kar won't even blink short of 'Dang'. He will not mourn the loss or even stop his attack if someone is dumb enough to step between him and his target. Dreadnought is very likely to stop his attack possibly allowing the enemy to escape, or if he does kill them feel really bad about it. W'Kar would see Dreadnought as being a crybaby about something he can't do anything about, Dreadnought would see W'Kar as a psychopath who doesn't care who gets in his way. But they still can be looked at as good guys in their own ways.

You also have to remember, though the Kregen are not gods they certainly have a very unique perspective on this situation. They can see multiple universes and look at them as a whole. Like looking at a basket of fruit, seeing which ones are bruised and damaged or good and healthy. And right now, the apple of the WG universe is spreading rot through the rest of the basket, but it itself is pretty stable.

There are tons of perspectives and ways to look at this situation. Fact is none of them are wrong, but none of them are 100% right either. My suggestion to the readers always is to try and look through the characters eyes at the situation.

[exscaped_pyscho]

I think I understand your perspective now. I was working under the assumption the damage from the Time Paradox was finished. It never crossed my mind that Jason's very existence was continuing to cause damage. So if the multiverse is a ocean into which all timelines and demensions flow into. The Time War was a massive earthquake that has spawned a tsuinami and it's going to continue up every stream causing them to change coarse and destination right? Because of what Jason did to save his world all timelines are eventually going to be altered or destroyed. And the only thing that the Kregen can see fixing this is Jason's death? Sucks to be Jason.

[W'Kar]

Kain from the Legacy of Kain said it best...

"History abhors a paradox."

[Frost]

oky.. By the way how can a Guyver Zoalord travel into alternate realities without a Matrix? are their any other mediums? also end of the day the Kregens will be targeting all dimension hoppers?

[McAvoy]

Guyver Zoalords cannot travel to other dimensions without any device or equipment.

[*zeo]

Actually, enhanced by the Unit the Guyver Zoalord could just rip a vortex into hyper space and travel to any other reality.

Remember Hyper Space is part of the multiverse and with enough energy portals into hyper space can be created. Not to mention the use of wormholes which like the Jet Li movie, "The One", can also be used to cross into other realities. And with his gravitational powers the Guyver Zoalord could have created his own wormholes.

As for Zoalords, some have shown to specifically have dimension warping abilities and Alkanphel has demonstrated he can create spatial rifts and even escaped a black hole. So the potential is already there.

[largo]

Who'd have thought that W'kar would have a matrix let alone be able to hide it from Jason? W'kar with a matrix gives me chills just thinking about it not a good thing.

[Frost]

Well dont get chills as the moment he stows it away in his "pants" the Matrix goes offline or hibernates as it can not function so near to W'kar's element..

[Aranor]

Curious question. If Dreadnaughtis the nexus of the paradox, who is the one that allowed the world to exist when there should not have been a world from which dreadnaught was born?

Possibly a Kregen degenarate throwing a wrench into things for some fun? Perhaps total destruction of the world is not what happens? Simply what we are led to believe would have happened.

Just some thoughts, guyver zoaloard destroys the creators not realising all life was not destroyed. Human eventually form a civilization on the world and thrive. Without Alkanphel to meddle things someone stumbles onto the ancient warship and activates the warrior unit. Fleeing creators stumble upon the life on Earth finding what they hope could stop the Guyver zoalord possibly during a time when it was weaker and with a prototype Matrix allows for this warrior guyver to go back in time to battle the guyver zoalord. Now the civilization that allowed this warrior guyver never formed and a new host will find the unit. For the creators to live on it must happen. Thus upon activation of the warrior guyver unit the host is sent back in time to fight and defeat the guyver zoalord. Now for this mess, since the original host was never born, Jason is to blame.

Or not.

To better understand time paradoxes I suggest working your way through the legacy of Kain series. It will really help to confuse the hell out of your.

[W'Kar]

LOK was great in that respect.

One thing I can assure you of.

1. No thing and no one can truly be called benevolent. One mans hero is anothers villian.

[Aranor]

I can agree with that.

What I am trying to figure out is, a world in which life is supposed to have not existed. A being of great power came from its future. This can't be as something can not come from nothing. So who set the paradox in motion. While we all are seeing the fingers pointed at Jason because he is the one whom we see as the one who performed the act. However he would not have done so if not instructed. And no signs of time dissipating as he asked how they could be sure it was him.

I'm thinking that perhaps initially it was another warrior guyver whom interveined. Then when Solom sent Jason back the original could witness his intervention was no longer needed. Hence we also see that Solom is dead and the possibility of relaying that it may not have been Jason who was the one to intervein is left to the cosmos.

[*zeo]

Sorry Aranor, since I plan to eventually write the story that will explain the origin of the Time Paradox I can't really go into detail until the story has been posted.

I can tell you though that you seem to have a remarkably good grasp on the dynamics of a time paradox but you're making certain assumptions on the details that is distorting certain revelant aspects.

Part of it being what happened to the original time line and who started the paradox.