Marvel Characters vs. the Guyvers

[McAvoy]

Most of Marvel and DC comic book characters cannot be measured against any Guyver really. Only Guyver Zoalord and Anubis can approach some of the powers these guys have. Alot of them have God-like powers to begin with like Superman or Thor, not to mention actual gods.

Honestly the only person that can take on some of these characters is Q from Star Trek. That's if he wanted to of course...

[Warbyrd13]

I would say Dark Pheonix saga power level before the whole she is now a cosmic being/watcher deal.

Be kinda intersting to see her and Alk go at it becuase I do believe the way they have protrayed Alk in the new series and what they hinted at in the Manga it would be a intersting fight.

[Kamui de' Tempest]

I asked which one you was talking about because the prior versions of Jean was still getting used to and acclimated to the whole host thing and thusly not fully aware of their combind ablities. The powerlevel is still the same but much like Dreadnaught when he first appeared versus him now the knowledge of what he can do is vastly different. The Pheonix Force by its very nature is a cosmic entity. but it took awhile for Jean to learn the extent of her new found abilities. Remember, the Dark Pheonix ate a star for grins and giggles. It takes a vast amount of power (I'm sure McAvoy or Zeo can better elaborate on the mechanics and math) to snuff out a star and contain the resulting energy without breaking a sweat and to just do it.

[McAvoy]

I don't know of any physics or math that can calculate someone eating a star... especially if it was for ****s and giggles.

I came up with 5.91 x ^33 Gigatons or 5,910,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Gigatons to destroy a star, but not eat it.

Can anyone say overkill against Dreadnought?

[Warbyrd13]

It really seems to be the writers who say how powerful Jean is with the Pheonix and not really her knowldge with the power she has. It has been said she was going to be more powerful than Xavier given time as her powers devolp then she gets a cosmic power upgrade on top of that.

I would say what she was able to do when she had the Dark Pheonix personality vrs Alk cuase he had have some skill and power cosidering he came back after being sucked in a black hole.

I look more of the Comic charecters on what era they were written in and not how myself or this group would apply thier ablities. Some of you guys needto be writiing for DC or Marvel and that would make some intersting stories considering what you have came up with on this forum.

[McAvoy]

That was a fake black hole that didn't really have the true power of a black hole. If that was a true Black Hole of even similar size the whole room would have had collapsed very early, including the Relic.

Alkanphel is nowhere near Dark Pheonix's power level.

By the way, the only other characters that can possibly take on any of the powerful Marvel and DC characters are the DBZ characters.

[Warbyrd13]

How powerful is Alk?

If memory serves me right I rember reading somehwhere that the moon was a planet destroying asteriod dropped out of a worm hole to destroy earth and he stopped. I can't rember where I read that event at. I know he saved humanity from the creators and was punished for by removing his unlimited energy source and that is the reason he hibernates to recharge his energy reserves. Or maybe I just know that from all the fictions I have read from ya guys. It might have been in the GWOTG or maybe the Warrior fiction. I have too much info in my head out here in the desert anyway.

Honestly it has been awhile since I read up on his ablities and I believe everyone tries to fill in the blanks about his powers and his full potential. I don't think his full power has been revealed yet in the magna exept that in the new series he escapes the "Black hole" attack by Gryo. Even if the attack wasn't a real black hole, it would take a verypowerful being to surrive something like that and return in one piece.

DBZ charecters are overated anything past a super sayian would destroy the Earth considering the physical blows between Friezar at 100 % and Goku was the same power of 10 nukes. When Vegata was introduced he had the power to destroy earth when he first arrived in the Sayian saga.

In the end its all about what facts we can bring to the table and how we can figure out how the powers would interact between the charecters.

[xtro guyver]

How powerful is Alk?

If memory serves me right I rember reading somehwhere that the moon was a planet destroying asteriod dropped out of a worm hole to destroy earth and he stopped. I can't rember where I read that event at. I know he saved humanity from the creators and was punished for by removing his unlimited energy source and that is the reason he hibernates to recharge his energy reserves. Or maybe I just know that from all the fictions I have read from ya guys. It might have been in the GWOTG or maybe the Warrior fiction. I have too much info in my head out here in the desert anyway.

Honestly it has been awhile since I read up on his ablities and I believe everyone tries to fill in the blanks about his powers and his full potential. I don't think his full power has been revealed yet in the magna exept that in the new series he escapes the "Black hole" attack by Gryo. Even if the attack wasn't a real black hole, it would take a verypowerful being to surrive something like that and return in one piece.

DBZ charecters are overated anything past a super sayian would destroy the Earth considering the physical blows between Friezar at 100 % and Goku was the same power of 10 nukes. When Vegata was introduced he had the power to destroy earth when he first arrived in the Sayian saga.

In the end its all about what facts we can bring to the table and how we can figure out how the powers would interact between the charecters.

As far as we know the attack Alk used to destroy the small moon is the most powerful thing hes got at his disposal, though the manga datafile does hint that he is capable of using most if not all of the other zoalords weapons as well and that he gravity ablties are equal if not greater then guyots were.

Though what did the damage to him that causes him to go into the sleep periods was the fact he did the attack after overiding a comand the creators gave him to stop moving and watch as the moon hit earth. The fact is his sleep period is getting longer each time he enters it and theres a danger that one day he may not wake up at all from it

[McAvoy]

Remember that Alkanphel was basically against his free will, told to stay where he was at and let the moon sized asteriod hit Earth. He saved Earth by using his most powerful attack which used up most of his energy by doing so. Even this was not enough since a fairly large piece of it got past him and caused a nuclear winter. This easily rates in the hundreds of teratons or a thousand times more powerful than the Matrix Bomb.

It is no suprise he didn't get brain damaged. But I would imagine that his hibernation is a result of him breaking the Creators commands while at the same time using his most powerful attack. Basically he is damaged and probably dying. The hibernation is just a way for him to slow it down.

[Tyranthrax]

But I would imagine that his hibernation is a result of him breaking the Creators commands while at the same time using his most powerful attack. Basically he is damaged and probably dying. The hibernation is just a way for him to slow it down.

I'm not sure that Alkanphel is damaged and dying, but believe it's more a lingering drain from defying Uranus. They commanded him to stop but he managed to will himself to action.

I'm betting their last command still affects him, thus he must put effort into simply moving his body. Bit by bit that ever-lasting drain must be sapping at his will and would eventually reach the point where he could no longer resist and would simply, 'stop'.

But yeah, both Dark and non-Dark Phoenix are pretty retarded in ability. There's like, powerful characters that are cool because of their strength, then there are characters that are just stupid, because they're too powerful.

[*zeo]

I believe that as well Tyranthrax, though there is debate as to what exactly the Creators did to him.

The scene in which they commanded him to stop shows an electrical like shower hitting Alkanphel.

Judging from the previous scene with the Creators, CM's being displayed in a virtual chamber, this took place on the telepathic mental field as he was in contact with the Creators when this happened and it does match up with whenever telepathy or a strong mental reaction is shown in the Manga.

But some argue this was a physical attack and point to apparent scorch marks over his body just before he realizes the meteor is headed towards the Earth. But Takaya uses that effect for everything including stress so I don't think it is conclusive.

Also, considering his distance from the Creator ships and that an electrical attack powerful enough to harm Alkanphel would easily have dealt with Guyver Zero, not to mention electricity doesn't arc in the vaccuum of space, that I believe it was a mental attack.

In either case it is pretty clear that Alkanphel has to continuously fight against the paralysis and this is what causes his hybernation periods.

Apparently the strain of creating Chronos has made this condition steadily worse and even prompted him to groom Imakirum to take over for him.

[Juggernought]

So basically it would take a counter-order from a creator in order to reverse this paralysis effect on his mind and allow him to fully recover? By the way Jason has many of the mental capabilities of a creator now and since it has been enhanced by the matrix could put him on par with the creators to some degree....if worse comes to worse (and if alkanphel knows what has been done to him) he has the potential to heal him of this, course this may not even happen as jason holds an intense hatred for the latter..

But you never know whats possible when the enemy of your enemy becomes your friend.

[*zeo]

True, it's within Jason's power to restore Alkanphel.

But Alkanphel was the one who killed all of his family and friends on X-Day.

He had thought Jenny was dead as well until she turned up as an Overlord.

And though he has Fiona back, the fact still remains the one he originally knew is still dead and it is Alkanphel who was responsible.

Hate like that won't ever go away completely.

So Jason might work with him to save the Earth but he won't go out of his way to help him.

[Warbyrd13]

Well with they way the story is going wouldn't Jason try and work with Alk to get rid of the creators? If people would know how and why Alk was created and how he saved us then he wouldnt seem so much as a villian.

The way Alk has been potrayed in some of these fanfics he really isnt that much of a villian but more of a extreme protector of earth but his morales and sense of winning the war is what is putting the guyvers against him.

Its almost like he has the "Magneto" syndrome. He has good intentions but he handles how he protects with iron grip. I dont know its early in the morning and I just got finished watching Transformers... my head hurts a little after watching that movie. Not bad but could have been better is all I will say.

[Juggernought]

In my opinion many of the guyvers on the ACTF are narrow-minded and selfish...Think on it, they all have this intense hatred towards Chronos because of some experience that has happened to them and despite the fact that they know Chronos' real motive is to stop the creators. Still when outside enemies fight they still resist Chronos like its nobody's business, and only now some are beginning to realise that they actually need them.

Transformers was an awesome film...great graphics and a great introduction into the scene, sure if you want to get nit-picky there are a few things here and there but overall i enjoyed it....

***SPOILER***

one of the best action scenes i really liked was when Barricade was chasing Bumblebee and he ran then transformed into the police version of the mustang, really put together well.

[xtro guyver]

Transformers was an awesome film...great graphics and a great introduction into the scene, sure if you want to get nit-picky there are a few things here and there but overall i enjoyed it....

***SPOILER***

one of the best action scenes i really liked was when Barricade was chasing Bumblebee and he ran then transformed into the police version of the mustang, really put together well.

Please keep discusion of the transformers movie to its own topic as its not out in the UK yet so don't want any spoilers about it till I get the chance to see it on the big screen

[Spartan Warlord]

ditto...

[*zeo]

In my opinion many of the guyvers on the ACTF are narrow-minded and selfish...

Here's the problem though, you are all confusing how Chronos has been portrayed in the fan fics with what their real intentions are.

Chronos wasn't made to protect Earth from the Creators. It was created so Alkanphel could prove to the Creators that he and the project were not failures.

Alkanphel didn't save the world for the sake of the people, he saved the world for his own selfish reasons.

1) He didn't want to die and

2) He needed to justify his existence.

Like he demanded of the Creators when they were leaving, "Why was I created then?"

Alkanphel is like an abandoned child wondering why he exists, what his purpose is, etc.

And as far as the Creators are concerned in the Manga Earth is long gone.

So Chronos would actually endanger the Earth by going after the Creators.

[W'Kar]

In the end, beyond all the power and units and crystals and matrixes, what still drives the persona is the will of the characters.

Could Jason protect earth by joining with Chronos, absolutely. But Chronos version of a protected earth is not something most people are willing to accept. Much less Alkanphel wants complete destruction of the creators (fan fic Alkie, remember that), that's a helluva war brewing, one Alk is currently no where near ready for!

[*zeo]

Also, everyone remember it is the Grakken attacking Earth right now in 7DOH.

The Creators aren't the one's threatening the Earth right now!

Not to mention all the times the Creators have helped Jason and the other Guyvers.

So aside from the argument about strength in numbers, there really isn't a reason for Jason to become buddies with Chronos.

He may distrust the Creators and have his suspicions but he's less suspicious of them than he is of Chronos, who he has really good reasons not to trust.

Really, with the Grakken threat Carter and others may actually consider an alliance with the Creators instead of with Chronos.

Not to mention most would think Alkanphel's plan for revenge is frankly a mad dream anyway.

The only one who would be really against that would be WG2 but he's of course biased in that regard.

[McAvoy]

Well, if you think about it, aside from local fights in the system and possibly covert tactics, the ACTF wouldn't be much of use to the Creators. Dreadnought would be of some greater use, but again they can control Enforcer Kavzars for the most part. They have no control over Dreadnought,so they'll have to trust him.

Chronos on the otehr hand, even if they manage to succeed and process every single human into a zoalord or Bio Titan, that still pales in comparison to the trillions of Kavzars.

[*zeo]

The Creators would have an invested interest to keep the Earth safe from the Grakken to prevent any advance tech from getting into their hands.

There is also the fact that Jason saved them from the Guyver Zoalord hanging over them and the Earth is still valuable as a testing ground.

And really, all Carter needs is to ensure the Grakken never come back in force.