The Warrior Guyver

[Juggernought]

These future "plans" for the guyvers sure grab attention, can't wait for it....i also recall one of the main reasons the warrior guyvers were created was for total domination. The Creators wanted a being more than capable of handling any challenge thrown at it and to defeat all who stood against total Creator control. Whether it be strategy(the ability for warrior units to work together as one) or having abilities that would put them on top of their opponents. In all Creators' desire for a superior warrior should be reflected i think. But i suppose yal thought of that already.

[McAvoy]

It's going to be interesting also, to see the new stats for the other Warrior Guyvers besides WG and WG2. I'm curious in how WGC will turn out.

[largo]

I wonder what the creator forces will be like? An enforcer kavzar is about the same power range of Zues so I can only fathum the power one would have if you went with the revised stats.

[Vengeance]

an enforcer is closer to dreadnought then zeus. They are certainly nothing to sneeze at. I am interested in seeing when/if the creators attack earth having Dreadnought face off against multiple 25x (or whatever the revised stat is).

[McAvoy]

I'm willing to bet that aside from the Gigantic, everyone will remain the same, save a few changes to reflect the Gigantic.

The Enforcer Kavzar is a 25x. Zues may appear to be a 12x to 16x character, but he's really a 8x character. It's only his two CPMs that boosts his strength to that level. But he's nothing to sneeze at, remember that Zues was able to fight to stand still to a Warrior Kavzar and Kron.

[Juggernought]

Also he's a very calculating and rutheless fighter, even if his opponent is much stronger zeus constantly searches for a weakness he can exploit...If he can't match up to the power no matter what he does himself, there's no reservation to call in some back-up power. An all brawn no brain fighter can potentially be a great weakness

[McAvoy]

What also will be interesting in how the prototypes for the Warrior unit will turn out. Battle Guyver will obviously reflect any changes to the shields. Obviously Life Force Guver will be exactly like Warrior Guyver w/out the HSL.

[Weltall2]

Here is a thought. How will they handle some of the characters that are supposed top be gigantic power level like guyver 4.

Also how will the Kavzars be handled.

[McAvoy]

Probably the same. If they keep the 4x level, then there is no good reason to make everyone who was supposebly a Gigantic level or higher, exactly that.

[Lost Soul]

A little question on Warrior Guyver C: according to his old datafile his smashers work like the hypersmashers of a Gigantic Guyver. Will this also be changed or will they stay equal to the Gigantic's smashers since they work the same way?

[McAvoy]

probably whatever they do to warrior guyver's wn mega smashers, they will do to warrior guyver c.who knows though, maybe warrior guyver c will be able to focus his comet attack through his mega smashers or something.

[Matt Bellamy]

A little question on Warrior Guyver C: according to his old datafile his smashers work like the hypersmashers of a Gigantic Guyver. Will this also be changed or will they stay equal to the Gigantic's smashers since they work the same way?

WGC's Hyper Smashers will still work the same way as normal, like the Gigantics.

The biggest difference is that WGC doesn't have the same type of gravity controller that a normal WG has. Instead, like a Gigantic, he has 3 normal ones, instead of the uber powerful single pyramid style.

In theory, because of the HSL that he also does have, the Hyper Smashers wouldn't drain him physically, but charging of the Hyper Smashers would require more time, and the firing time is less that a WG, but slightly more than a Gigantic.

It's kinda like running a high reasource program on a computer that doesn't have the processing power to make it run 100% smoothly. The 3 "Gravity Orbs" cannot process the energy as efficient as the true WG's. There isn't too much of a difference overall, but if used side by side in comparison, there would be.

[Tyranthrax]

Well, it sounds like you guys have already planned out how you're going to set things up, and I'm sure they'll be good, but still, I would like to give the go ahead about how I think things would have worked out.

The Guyver isn't a weapon, but as humans were created to be, it capitalizes on those attributes and makes them into warriors. But as it's not an actual weapon, it can only enhance a human so much.

The Warrior Guyver, as was stated before, is supposed to be a Guyver's peak. An actual weapon designed to enhance the weapon known as man. So of course the Warrior Guyver is going to be stronger than a standard, as that was it's purpose.

The Gigantic though, should have more power, overall, than the Warrior Guyver, and my reasoning is this. While the Warrior Guyver is a Guyver at its peak, a super-human brought to their max, the Gigantic would be like taking a human and turning them into an Ogre. Such a beast is of course going to be stronger than a normal man and be able to tear him apart, but with his larger size, is slower than the other. Someone stated that before.

For the Gigantics on the Warrior units, I don't think the power increase should be as significant as it is from Guyver to Gigantic. The large increase in ability from Guyver to Gigantic is that need for power, the need to be stronger so they can fight their stronger enemies. As the Warrior units are already powerful, they of course wouldn't have such a dire need for strength, and upon obtaining their Gigantics would receive a gracious, but not totally exceptional increase.

To explain it differently, I'll use some figures others have thrown up.

If a standard Guyver is labeled as 1x power, and a Gigantic is placed at a 5x, make the Warrior at a 4x level. For a Warrior Gigantic, rather than increasing the power by 5, make a smaller jump, such as bringing it up to a mere 8-10x power. So while Guyver to Gigantic would get a 5x bonus(At least strength-wise), the Warriors would only receive a 2-2.5x boost.

Looking at Matrix Warrior Guyver and his Dreadnought form, you can of course say he is only receiving a 2.5x boost in strength, but when comparing MWG to a standard Guyver, that's a rather incredible boost.

As for him, I believe after bonding with the Matrix, he should of course receive a boost in power, but it shouldn't be so dramatic. Instead of a 250% increase in strength, he should only receive a 25-50% increase, which would still be quite noticeable.

By working this this way, everyone can still receive their powers and boosts from the changes in the stories, but they won't become god-awfully powerful.

Following it this way, since the later Guyvers tend to be placed so they can keep up with Dreadnought, as he'd of course be weaker by using this method, they would be down-toned as well. All these insane figures would be brought down to more manageable levels that could help put things at ease. For, not only would the various Guyvers be lessened, but so would the higher Chronos units and the like. I mean, it eventually reaches the point were low level Zoanoids and standard Guyvers need to just go into hiding so they aren't killed. If smaller boosts in power were put into effect, they wouldn't be so easily discarded and could still make a difference, even if it's only as distractions or with mass numbers.

So, those my thoughts on all of this.

[Twilight-Guyver]

Tyranthrax, I must applaud you. I like hte way you think. Keep it simple and not over due to create more chaos than need be. Let me ask you, have you ever written any guyver fan fics?

[Tyranthrax]

I must say that I haven't, actually, but now that you mention it I might just try and work something out. But, I just figure, if you're worried about things getting to DBZ, then don't make the characters weaker, just make their power boosts weaker.

Like, if you follow the highest increases I listed for Jason, then even when in his power boosted Dreadnought form his strength would only be at 2490x a human's. Which is quite a lot, of course, but is still less than what he currently has in Dread form WITHOUT power boosting.

Anyways..... Yep.

[TheGuyversWill]

I must say that I haven't, actually, but now that you mention it I might just try and work something out. But, I just figure, if you're worried about things getting to DBZ, then don't make the characters weaker, just make their power boosts weaker.

Takaya himself goes through this same process. I mean you have overwhelming odds for your hero and ever more powerful villains to face him against.

For instance, we start with Zoanoids, go to hyper zoanoids, go with an entire team of hyper zoanoids. Bring in Zoalords, and so on and so on. Each Zoalord has had something new to offer, and they've even started grouping up on one another. I'm sure after the Guyvers finish with the current batch of Zoalords, the series will either end, or we'll see the introduction of something even more powerful.

Guyver may have been around for 20 years, but to tell you the truth it really hasn’t covered much plot or progression of said plot in those last 20 years. The Warrior Guyver Fan Fiction progresses by leaps and bounds. The entire thing combined would make War and Peace seem like light reading. It only stands to reason that the characters would have risen past their previous crescendo to progress to something that could take the ever increasing array of villains.

It's a major theme in most progressive stories involving character with extra ordinary powers. In your classic fantasy books character get upgrades along the way to deal with said overwhelming evil.

[Twilight-Guyver]

Yeah Takaya is taking his time, but the yway things are going can you really complain. It's like the bad guys have already won and now it's just time for the goods guys to take everything back. Never an easy thing to do when you're entire world pretty much beleives it's already pretty safe.

I enjoy the way Takayas going because even with things as they are, you still only have one type of guyver and one upgrade. Nothing new has been added but with what is happening with Khan we will soon see if there will be a major change coming into effect for the guyver itself. It's good to make things happen a little slow sometimes to help keep things in perspective and not lose people with too much pace.. Just my two cents.

[TheGuyversWill]

Well the warrior guyver fan fiction has slowed down in the last couple of years.

Does this make you happy?

[Twilight-Guyver]

Nope, it depresses me. I remember when fics and datafiles were almost coming out like every month. Seeing it this slow hurts me a lot. I guess creation can't be rushed now with so much going on in everyones lives and writers block can be a b****. So it's understandable.

[Matt Bellamy]

The WG fic, for the most part, has fallen to the level of what I will call "DBZ Syndrome"

Don't get me wrong, I know other series have done it in the past, but DBZ is the most well known to have done it.

" When you get too powerful for your enemies, your enemies will get more powerful than you."

Thus, you can see the vicious circle of doom, that leads to a 25x Guyver by the name of Dreadnought.

IMO the Guyver story is supposed to have an ending. And one possibly coming soon. The Gigantic is the most powerful character we are probably going to see ( save for maybe Alkanphel). Once the Zoalords ect... are all dead, they aren't going to be replaced, or revived.

This is of course where the Fan Fiction starts to really turn away from it's roots. Something, that when more Chronicles comes out, should hopfully be fixed.

[Twilight-Guyver]

See I told all yall. I wasn't the only on ethat thought so. Mat has agreed to the "DBZ Syndrome". It does exist. So hah!!!

[TheGuyversWill]

This is of course where the Fan Fiction starts to really turn away from it's roots. Something, that when more Chronicles comes out, should hopefully be fixed.

I fell in love with the Warrior Guyver Fan Fictions for what they are, not what they will become. Personally I enjoy the WGFF story far more than the actual Takaya story arc. I mean I know it builds off of the same premise, but it's no where near as long or as intense.

If Takaya does end the Guyver series with the downfall of Alkanphel, then so be it, but in most cases where super heroes are involved the stories can continue for 60 years!

I wouldn't say the Warrior Guyver Fan Fiction has embraced the DBZ mentality, more so it’s embraced its own continuance. 25x may seem a bit brash, but it took a couple of novel length books to get there. IMHO that's enough.

I mean what was the initial appeal of the WGFF? Was it the idea that we would get to see an explore things not yet revealed in the actual Guyver stories? Or was it the fact that we progressed from a normal Guyver to 4x one within two stories. The fact that the characters do evolve and get more powerful is one of the main draws for me. Mind you, I wouldn't want to see Dreadnought jump to 120x in the next fiction, but if he does say, 20 fictions down the road, I wouldn't mind it. It's just where the stories go.

Personally, while I love the concept of a re-write to clean up those fundamental angst we've observed over the years (continuity errors and poor writing), it's just part of the process. It's a fan fiction. It doesn't have to be perfect. But to stall the story and concentrate on the past just creates a stagnant portion of the overall flow. It ends the progression and makes things a whole lot less interesting.

I mean, Marvel and DC both tried it. They found out that people weren’t too interested in the retelling of past stories, even with the best artist and writers of the day on board.

We've been there, we've done that. We want to see what comes next.

At least IMHO.

[McAvoy]

Well if you think about it, the standard Guyvers will get a bigger boost than they ever had in the original fanfic. Gigantics are about equal to a Warrior Guyver than there will be eventually two of them.

Remember in 7 Days of Hell when CFT Guyver 1 was told to help out with ACTF? The officer said that she was more powerful than a Partical Weapon. It seems by that point normal Guyvers and the like are given second class status in the order of things. They're oldest Guyver who probably singled handedly prevented the ACF going to an early grave is a standard Guyver.

I think in Chronicles, I would like to see more of the standard Guyvers using the Gigantic where needed. Me, personally, I want to see Guyver US use the Gigantic seeing that Guyver 1 and Guyver US become good friends.

[Shenzon]

Unfortunately no, we still have no official translation to give us an idea how fast the Gigantic actually is. Though aside from speed boosts from the back thrusters we have never seen the Gigantic break the sound barrier. This however does not mean it is not capable of going that fast and with three gravity control orbs it is likely that it should be at least capable of mach 1.

If anyone knows how long it took GG3 to get back to base after stealing that crate of supplies from Chronos then maybe we can do an estimate on its average flight speed since we can look up the general distance between those two locations?

Good question, but why didn't he teleport? Or maybe that ability hasn't been discovered yet by him or Gigantic Guyver. Also in the translations, it looked like Gigantic Guyver used a power wave attack at one point. Did anyone else notice this?

[Destroyer Guyver]

That was the Power Punch. The Gigantic does not need to make contact with a target to discharge the energy.