Theories of female optimization

[Zoa-Supreme]

if you guys remember there was a girl zoanoid, in "guyver 2: dark hero"

[Guest Tokusoudeka]

if you guys remember there was a girl zoanoid, in "guyver 2: dark hero"

I'd use the term "girl" loosely here...

[Zoa-Supreme]

I'd use the term "girl" loosely here...

"woman, lady, Ma'am, person" what ever its the same darned thing

[Larz Zahn]

i think toku (i hope you dont mind ur whole name is a mouth full, well... finger full... whatever)

i think toku meant the term loosely thing cause the girl zoanoid was just so hideous. like it was seriously ugly.

ya know she kinda reminded me of the movies species... only uglier.

and there was one in the first movie too... that biker girl who turned into the pink ramotiths wanna be.

and i'd go with "it" myself. i like "it".

[*Kenji Murakami]

Not that it's actually technically correct, or anythng.

[Larz Zahn]

haha! i think it applys great for the zoahalf!!! who knows! they may be nongender in the zoaform. as far we know there arent any gender related organs on zoaforms.

[Enzyme-eternal]

I think the only real physiological issue with zoaforming women is pregnancy. As far as I know, when someone is zoaformed their human form is essentially the same as before they were zoaformed (maybe they’re healthier) and when they transform their entire physiology changes. So I don’t think that the subject’s gender would have a baring on the Zoanoid as all Zoanoids of the same type are depicted as almost identical in both appearance and ability.

Logically speaking I would say a zoaformed pregnant women simply wouldn't be able to transform…though now that I think about it, that might not be true for the early stages as human thetas are tiny.

Women can be zoaformed into Zoalords, as Griselda proves! As for why there are no female Zoalords in the twelve is probably down to bias, not some problem with the actual process of zoaforming women into Zoalords. However, that can’t really be taken as absolute proof that women can be zoaformed into regular Zoanoids, as Zoalords are very different to Zoanoids. Zoalords have zoacrystals, altered human forms (Guyot was as strong as a Guyver and the older ones have exposed zoacrystals) and don’t age. Another thing to consider is that Zoalord designs are made for specific individuals instead of the general mass production designs of Zoanoids.

There is one thing to consider, way back in the first volumes, an entire town was shown to have been secretly zoaformed and though we never see any women transforming about half the population would have been female. My point is that we never see any women after everyone transforms. I think it’s unrealistic to assume they all fled, even if the entire male population did turn into monsters, that’s their sons and husbands we’re talking about. I for one would expect to see Zoanoids being questioned, however nerves and/or franticly, by loved ones what was happening or if “it was them…” (you know what I mean) but instead the entire female population disappears. Not concrete proof but something to think about.

When you consider the wide diversity of tastes in the world it isn’t unreasonably to believe that there are women that would want to be power type Zoanoids like Gregole or bio-blasters like Vamore. The more mainstream women would probably find scout types more appealing as they aren’t that far off from the female frame. I really doesn’t take much, alter the hips, curve the back slightly, add a bust and soften the features and thinner framed Zoanoids start to take on a more feminine quality.

One last thing, before X day all Zoanoid where sleeper agents or soldiers in Cronos. Given the attitude toward women in the armed forces has barely changed even today (bare in mind Guyver started nearly thirty years ago) that might account for the fact that there is no mention of female Zoanoids. As a man I have to say that women would look pretty good in the combatant uniform but imagine after X day Cronos would have some difficulty recruiting women with such a revealing uniform.

[*Kenji Murakami]

And then there's the inevitable underwear issue. I'm telling you, when we're given glimpses of the Zoalords under those capes and robes of theirs, I start to wonder 'are any of these guys wearing underwear?'

[*Jess♥]

didn't you know? that's the best part of being a zoalord.

you get to appreciate the 'breeze'.

this is how Balcus sells it to them.

they get told all about it and they are standing there tinking "hmm, I dunno about all this..."

balcus smoothly crouches down and grabbing the bottom of his robe, he slowly raises up showing his sandals over his brown woolen socks, then his bare ankles, slowly raising higher and higher...

"hmm.. so if i become a zoalord... I get an added bonus? Balcus you can give me such a gift, then I will be glad to be a zoalord. then i can swing freely in hte wind with added weight!! "

Purgstal is so pleased he is crying and he can just imagine the parties he could go to. he could impress the ladies by dancing on the bar gyrating his hips about..

[*Kenji Murakami]

I'd imagine those suits would chafe quite a bit, though. I read in one of the datafiles - I think it was one of Imakarum's - that the Zoalords' battle uniforms were made out of special polymers to be resistent to damage. Call me crazy, but the phrase 'resistent to damage' doesn't really call to mind anything like comfort.

...And now I've got a mental image of Purg'stall, in the middle of his fight with Sho, yelling "Stop the battle, I have to adjust myself!" It's... disturbingly amusing.

[*Jess♥]

actually, I think they look quite confortable.

that suit looks like it has quite good support.

[Toku Warrior]

You two just put wierd images in my mind about Purgstahl. Now I can't get them out.

I was thinking....does anyone think it's almost about time for Balcus to start recruiting People to see if he can find some that are highly qualified to become Zoalords. Hell, sme women wouldn't hurt cuz then Shin and the other remaining lords would have some time to love while not working and not have to worry abour breaking their partner in half while doing the love dance.

[*Kenji Murakami]

actually, I think they look quite confortable.

that suit looks like it has quite good support.

Sure, they might have good support, but I'm fairly sure they chafe in places man was not meant to be chafed. Also, with the way some of them move, I imagine there would be a fair amount of riding-up.

[*Jess♥]

to be completely honest, I'm not sure exactly where you're coming from..

but good support prevents chafing. and a suit that is skintight and designed to stretch well.. would completely prevent it.

only if a material was thick and with heavy seams, would a problem arise.

[CustodianGuyver]

Sure, they might have good support, but I'm fairly sure they chafe in places man was not meant to be chafed. Also, with the way some of them move, I imagine there would be a fair amount of riding-up.

HAHAHA the funniest thread so far.

I will give you my reason why all males are only getting processed into zoarlord and zoanoids. Simple because Balkas is too old and can not get it up anymore.

Him looking at female zoarlords and zoanoids and knowing he can not bump em. That why he decided all male to be zorlords and zoanoids from now on. :lol:

Even zorlord viagra would not be able to save his main mega smasher :lol:

[*V Guyver]

lol the riding up thing killed me. Though I don't think it's the armor that would be uncofortable. I leave that to the tentacles squirming in your anus.

[Toku Warrior]

CustodianGuyver, that's very funny. It could turn out that Balcus created Viagra for himself but it only worked on normal people so he quit trying it.

V Guyver, uhhhh........how'd you come up with the tentacle part? If you refer to the Guyver unit combining with a host body then that's one way but how with a Zoalord and his battle pajama's?

[Salkafar]

Secuction Zoanoids would not be such a bad idea for an organization that operates mainly through subterfuge.

You take an intelligent, ruthless, loyal and capable but plain-looking woman, and process her into a 24-carat bombshell.

She seduces a senator, who is then blackmailed into complying. Maybe into being processed himself.

And so on, and so forth.

[*V Guyver]

you never noticed Toku? The tentacles are still there, it's basically merged with your skin and still moves every so often. I'm pretty sure those things are in each and every centimeter of your body. If you can't accept that, then remember the transformation, that's a hell of a lot of stuff "forcing" itself into all your pores.

[Toku Warrior]

I can accept it but that kinda reminds me more of the Amercian Guyver than the original Japanese Guyvers.

Japanese Guyvers (0-4...ok, 0,2, & 4 are different nationalities but I'm going Manga and Anime based)

After the bonding between the Guyver unit and it's host the armor (symbiotic creature) stores itself in a boost-type dimension always following its host and appearing when the host needs it most or when the host calls it forth with a verbal or mental command. The initial bonding for the first time is like a full body probe then all further transformations are just like the first but not as painful. I don't remember anywhere in the manga, anime, or the VDF saying that the Guyver lies dormant in the host body and moving ever so slightly once in awhile.

American Guyver and Guyver Zoanoid

Like in the Manga and Anime the first initial bonding is like a full body probe and is very painful; but unlike the Manga and Anime the American Guyver and Guyver Zoanoid (live-action movies) units do not follow their host around via a boost-like dimension waiting to be summond or coming into our dimension through its own will to help its host. The unit/armor (symbiotic creature) lies dormant within the host so it's like wearing the armor on the inside just with skin protrusions (that'd be kinda cool actually). I'm sure that the user can feel the armor inside him/her.

[Salkafar]

"It's going inside of me!"

[Toku Warrior]

Ok, it seems we've gone off topic a bit. Let's get back to discussing Female optimization please.

[*V Guyver]

Okay, enough about the crotch related talk.

Let's review something about the differences in men and Women.

Men physically are usually bigger, more durable, and biological they naturally have about 40% of their mass in muscle, while a woman normally has about 35%. Even if a woman worked out, chanced are that 99% of the men out there will always outproduce her in the strength department. Men also have major short bursts over power and will typically throw all they have into the start of the fight. Men also biologically have lots of testosterone when compared to women, and testosterone can a big difference in how a person operates in physical conditions. Men also seem to be tougher as they often can ignore pain or not even notice injuries thanks to Adrenalin.

Women tend to be much smaller and as I pointed out naturally less muscle mass. But unlike men, they aren't as prone into using up all of their strength up within the first few minutes, they tend to spread out their use of power and can last a bit longer at the expense of the energy they use up. Women are always underestimate, especially in boxing, but women actually tend to be equally powerful boxers to men despite the difference in mass and muscle. A man in a similar size and build to a woman might find himself beaten by an equally good female boxer thanks to the low center point of gravity. This low center point of gravity often generates much more of a build in power in the legs that travel to an arm to create an effective punch (The science of boxing), this low center of gravity also helps women with acrobatics as it often helps then land in their feet better (Though a man can probably liften himself up faster and easier) and are much more flexible then men who's build and less wider hips usualy prevent more flexible movements in certian arts.

I got a lot of this info from a college teacher in how human bodies function, and the boxing from some of the science beyond it that was explained to me a while back. I(we) could be worng, but I think it's accurate.

[Enzyme-eternal]

All of that is absolutely true (as far as my understanding of human physiology tells me) but I have to point out that when a human is optimized thy are altered on the genetic level and I can’t help but wonder if we aren’t getting confused with a Guyver. What I mean is that, as we all now, a Guyver takes its host and enhances its existing abilities (yes I now it also gives the host weapons) but Zoanoids have set abilities.

To clarify, I don’t think that the gender of the host effects the Zoaform as each mass produced modal of Zoanoid is the same. However the characteristics (including gender) would probably effect a Guyver but that’s a thread for another day.

[Toku Warrior]

Enzyme-eternal, I think a thread about the differences between the a male and female Guyver, the theories based around the physiology and genetic setup, and how the unit reacts when enhancing the opposite gender would be a great idea.