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All of them as it helps show at least some of the ways nanites can effect certain characters.

A possible vulnerability but that depends on the level of technology and its ability to adapt.

Electricity and EMP is only a problem if

1) It directly affects the frequency used by the nanites and

2) The nanites are electronic based instead of optical or other alternative technology.

A good example of advance nanites that are electronic based would be Star Trek Borg. Highly advance but still vulnerable to high frequency energy discharges and certain forms of radiation. Though in large numbers they can adapt to nearly anything.

Nanites also have the advantage over viruses because they can work together so millions or more can easily act as one.

So FOG3 you better have a random frequency generator attached to that Van de Graaff generator or you're going to have one ticked off Cyber Guyver on your hands

Speaking of which, there are still at least two other Guyver fan fic characters that use Nanites. Can anyone name them?

This is all true but we are born with the ability to produce every sound pattern of every language. It is only as we learn to speak our parents' language that we become specialized. Language is something we have developed as a species so areas of our brain are set aside for it. Only in how we use language do we really specialize our brains through memory and link the language part of our brains to the rest.

Language then becomes for each of us a mix of words, concepts, memories, and emotions. So even if two people are raised under the same conditions, the way they process language would not be the same. This is simply how our brains work and is one of the many things that makes each of us unique.

Now for telepathy, this is a concept many misunderstand. It is not like speach or any other known form of communication. Telepathy by definition is a linking of minds. So it doesn't really matter what language someone speaks. In true telepathy, and in simpliest terms, the two minds work off each other so as far they are concerned both are speaking in each others language. So there would be no barrier of language. Unless one or both have a word or concept the other does not, as one can not understand something one has never experienced. Depending on how the other's mind processes the information the unknown word or concept can come out as gibberish, or nothing at all, or even in the other person's language.

However, this entirely depends on whether the form of telepathy is true telepathy.

Science for example can allow us to implant perminent cellphones into our skulls, they are actually working on that btw, and we can communicate with each other at will. Combined with advances in neuro computer interfaces we would not even need to speak to communicate but this would not be true telepathy though it would be hard to tell it apart from the real thing to an outside observer.

Even a basic neuro link between two people who speak the same language may not let them be able to understand each other with a simple mental link unless something also allows the user to actually access the other's mind as an extension of their own. For many sci-fi writers this was explained by having the person have a special brain organ/section that both allowed the link and processed the information into something useful.

The Guyver unit however can use true telepathy because the Guyver is linked not only to the host nervous system but is also hardwired to the host brain throught the CM. Since we know the unit can fully restore the host mind if damaged we can then conclude the unit completely maps out the host brain. So true telepathy is possible with the Guyver.

The example of the Relic is a good one, another being the Gigantic which physically links with the host unit CM, but that level of linking is only required for the Guyver and Relic/Gigantic to act as one. Simple communication does not require that level of linking so a light show would not be required.

Needless to say this is hardly a simple topic. There are many levels of telepathy and alternate means of communication that blur the lines of what is telepathy. There are even alternate methods for establishing a telepathic link. So it all depends how in depth you want to get with the concept. Frankly, most sci-fi writers rarely get more detailed than having people talk with their mouths closed because lets face it this is literally a very cerebral topic

Since science has yet to truly prove to the world, let alone understand how it works, that telepathy is reality. We are left to our own imaginations and can only give our own opinions on the subject.

Personally, I think it is fully possible for a Guyver to communicate to any other Guyver, no matter the language or even species barrier.

Ok, to everyone who doesn't know what YoungGuyver is refereing to.

Cowpox is one of the orthopox viruses, one of which is the more lethal Smallpox.

The milkmaid story is of how vaccination came into play when people realized that those that had been infected with relatively harmless cowpox effectively became immune to smallpox.

You can look it up in more detail here

http://www.myhero.com/myhero/hero.asp?hero=jenner

http://www.s-books.com/wbmedical/30491/30823/3.htm

As for the Nanites they are in their own way even more dangerous than any conceivable virus, depending on the level of technology and what the nanites are designed to do.

Hint: We even have a fan fic character based on that premise.

Marvel used specific figures in their character list books and trading cards but stopped being specific the last couple of years.

I.E.> Strength scale of 2 = peak human, can lift own weight on up to 800 LBS. Someone with enhanced strength was rated 3 for 800lbs to 2 ton range, then someone like Spiderman got level 4 for 2-10 ton range, level 5 for someone like Venom for 10-50 ton range, level 6 for someone like the Think for 50-100 ton range, and level 7 was for 100 ton to infinite for someone like the Hulk.

I've always used the 800 lbs limit for the WG fic. Reason for 60 tons strain is realism. Even if you can lift 160 tons, doesn't mean you can do it instantaneously and especially not if in bad leverage position.

I.E.> You may be able to bench 300 lbs but you will not be able to just grab 120 lbs and shove it out of the way without some effort, especially if you are not in the best position to push against it with your full strength.

800 Pounds is the standard for measuring multiples of human strength as it is the rated maximum theoretical potential for the average human to obtain.

I.E.> Everything from "The Six Million Dollar Man" 5 men strength ability to lift up to 2 tons, all the way to Marvel Comics back when they gave more specific strength estimates for their characters.

But like I said, the most 450 men can be rated for is to lift 180 Tons.

Not everyone assumes the 100x is for human energy generating potential or even of their physical potential but rather a multiplication of the host natural unenhanced strength. If going by the later then your 67.5 Ton rating would be correct for someone such as yourself. If going be the former then it would be 180 Tons. But in either case jedi-guyver would be off with his ten times comment.

As for real word examples

http://www.mcshane-enterprises.com/ASL/anderson.html

This guy came pretty close to the ideal limit of human potential.

And that is not even going into maniac strength or people with above normal bone strength and muscle power through some genetic mutation.

I.E.>They got people who can hold 8 liters of air in their lungs instead of the normal limit of 5-7 and can hold their breath for over 5 minutes, etc.

If it says 450 men then the most it can be is 180 Tons jedi-guyver.

You miss the point, Black Holes are not a simple subject. They can use the word to describe an action, not just what it is.

I've talked with Japanese/English teachers. Simple fact it is not an exact science and leaves a lot up to interpretation. Which is why I mentioned word games. Even with an accurate translation you have to consider the meaning of what is said. Also that it might be over simplified to save writing space and/or to cover a lack of understanding on the writer's part.

As for Black Holes, simplified explaination is if Hawking is correct they come in all sizes. The smaller they are the shorter they live due to hawking radiation. I.E.> Those first created in our universe that have a mass of say a mountain would be dying about now and would explode with about as much destructive power as Dreadnought's Matrix Bomb.

Those really tiny, like atoms in outer atmosphere created when high energy particles slam into them from space account in part for some near earth gamma radiation and possibly some of the aurora borialis.

So something small enough to fit between a Guyver's palms and with enough gravity to super compress air would explode like a baby nuke. Not to mention the singularity would covert the air into energy so we should get much more of a light show from the pressure cannon if that theory was correct. But as you say that may indeed be what the Manga describes, however that doesn't mean it is scientifically accurate.

(Your welcome, I thought you'd find those news clips interesting)

Well, I never really expected the manga to be fully scientificially accurate YoungGuyver, but this is the science zone. We're not really debating the Manga, just the science behind it.

Like I said with my first post I fully believe what you say is how the manga explains it. It just doesn't work with real science as we know it. Sorry if I didn't make that clearer before.

Besides, Kanji is not a language you can easily translate word for word. Just look at how Viz messed up some of the translation in their attempt at it. The term black hole or singlarity can simply be an over simplified description of what is really going on. Such concepts are not easily expressed in Kanji after all and a manga/comic is hardly the place that a publisher would allow a science lessen to be given so things often get abbreviated.

It's easy enough to play word games in English, add translation complexity from a very complex language such as Kanji and I'm sure everyone can see that even taking into account Takaya's self admitted lack of scientific training that we can be misreading what he is trying to describe to us.

The word artificial for example can have hidden meaning and alternative explainations.

I.E.> It can mean simply man made or/and something that is similar to the real thing but is not the same.

Then consider for a moment that they could call the pressure cannon a black hole simply because it has enough gravitational energy to suck matter(air) into itself but the fact it releases the air, albiet highly pressurized, clearly shows it is not a black hole as a singularity would destroy the matter(convert it into energy) and only spit out energy when the singularity dies.

Scientifically, the fact the pressure cannon doesn't explode in all directions is another indicator that it is not a true black hole. Also consider that even a small palm size black hole when made to explode would be more likely to nuke its target rather than just punch a hole in it.

But these are just my thoughts on the subject and as YoungGuyver has stated the Manga may not interpret it the same way.

I took that to into account when I said, "Even taking into account that the pressure cannon focus the gravitational energy to maximize pressurization into a relatively small space." Using the earth as an example to get a value for how much gravity you need to compress air to a given amount then you would need extremely strong gravity to compress a small bubble of air to explosive level needed to punch a hole through a zoanoid.

However, I didn't mention how the weapon is fired. I only pointed out the fact it exerts momentum so acts like a physical object on both the Guyver and the target.

Simply changing the focal point of the gravity field is probably what is used to fire the pressure cannon IMO. But your idea of making the pressure cannon basically become attracted to the target is also a good possibility.

As for a collapsing singularity. An interesting idea but I do not believe the pressure cannon is a black hole weapon. If it was then the Gigantic version would be like a Zoalord black hole attack, which it is not. Besides you don't really need to create a singularity to manipulate gravity energy, at least with tech as advance as the Guyver.

Remember the Guyver can manipulate gravity energy without resorting to mass/energy manipulation. So it is directly working with gravity energy, allowing the pressure cannon to contain pressurized air the same way the Earth holds on to its atmosphere, just is a very compact scale.

A collapsing singularity is what we would use if we wanted to create a weapon similar to the Pressure Cannon, which btw we can only do with a really powerful super collider and if the extra dimensions theory is correct and that hawking radiation theory is also correct.

Besides, a collapsing singularity would require precise timing so the pressure cannon would be a time bomb then and would explode whether or not it actually impacts with target. So that wouldn't work given how the pressure cannon is shown to act. Another inhibitor is the fact singularities explode when they die, even a very tiny one would produce light and detectable radiation.

jedi-guyver, Grendel-HyperZoanoid was refering to recreating the effect of the blast field that Guyvers generate when they activate. The pressure cannon shield does not produce the same exact effect.

Okay, I'm bored so I'll take a crack at this topic.

The explosive pressurized air explaination is probably what is used in the Manga but would not work well in real world practice. For one thing, pressurized air would produce a steam like effect when released into normal pressure air since the act of pressurization increases the temperature of the material being pressurized. Anyone who has ever used a high pressure air cannon would know this and the Pressure Cannon would presumeably have incredibly pressurized air so would be extremely hot. Second the pressurized air would want to spread out in all directions, not just into the target so the pressure cannon would also have to act like a shape charge to get all the air to go into one direction and so so efficiently that even on the scale of the Gigantic Dark blasting a hole into a massive skyscraper would still leave you with perfectly smooth blast radius from point of impact to exit. Unless the Guyver maintains control of the attack after it is fired then this would be quite amazing for the gavity field to pull off. Third, the pressure required to produce the effect of a pressure cannon would exceed 20 atmosphere's, especially considering the instantaneous effect of this attack.

Incidently using this literal interpretation of the Pressure Cannon, it would mean the weapon can only be used within an atmosphere. Not too much a big deal since it is unlikely any Guyver would spend much time in vacuum of space but is a limitation. But the same can be said for the sonic busters as well.

This explaination though does not knock out the popular gravity ball theory since it would still take an enormous concentration of gravity energy to pressurize air. So much so that it kind of discounts the pressure explaination.

As a value for the Guyver's ability to generate gravitational energy is the limited speed a unit can fly. If the Guyver actually had the power to pressurize air into a bomb, and was the only damaging factor, then it would also be able to fly a lot faster than it can. Even taking into account that the pressure cannon focus the gravitational energy to maximize pressurization into a relatively small space.

Personally I think it's a combination, the gravity ball creates a field strong enough to create a high pressure charge that then acts with the gravity field and smashes into a target like a cannon ball. Since matter effects gravity, impact with the target destabilized the gravity ball so only the target gets hit and it goes no further. But the ball last long enough to cause the damage. This is also why it would leave a circular impact in objects capable of stopping it before penetration such as Zektole's armor.

Incidently since matter and energy are interchangeable and nothing is more linked to mass than gravity so it should be no surprise the pressure cannon exerts momentum on both the Guyver and the target. I.E.> The previous example of Zektole being pushed back shows impact momentum and the scene where Gigantic Dark fires a really big Pressure Cannon and gets pushed back when he fires it shows the Guyver feels the power as well.

An exact value is not known, especially since no two Zoalords are exactly alike. Each has their own battle form and special abilities. But predominantly they seem dependant on energy shields for defense. Though even in human form they can generate a field strong enough to block a Gigantic Guyver's head beams.

Guyot, for example, was able to shield himself from anything sort of a mega smash, though he could survive a single attack from one but it would take him about a day to recover from the strain. A full double would have killed him. Armor wise though he couldn't have been more durable than a typical hyper zoanoid since at least once in the Manga he was significantly damaged when he was caught without his shield by Murikami, who was only a proto zoalord at the time.

As to how much damage, that would vary for each but unless one of them has hyper regenerative ability, which to this date only Aptom and the Enzyme 3's have demonstrated, then they can withstand no more damage than any other zoaform.

Now this reminds me of the FLCL discussion and the debate over the correct spelling of the pronounciation.

FOG3, overall your scientific analysis is fine but as far as the term goes you are being too literal and you are limiting your analysis to just the commonly used acid types.

The word Acid is a term to describe a reaction that results in the break down of a target material. Anything that accomplishes that is classified as an acid. Besides which Bio-Chemical reactions can be a lot more complex than simple chemical reactions.

Even going with the technical definition there are 3 accepted theories of what is an acid. The Lewis Theory and The Br?nsted-Lowry Theory, for example, have a wider parameter for what can be call an acid. Only The Arrhenius Theory specifically limits an acid as a substance that must dissolve in water to produce the necessary reaction. Not to mention amphoterism, also functional groups, which is the property of certain substances of acting either as acids or as bases depending on the reaction in which they are involved, to which even H20 itself can be considered an acid.

Besides which you are not even bothering to analyze how Enzyme 1's blood worked. You stick to the word enzyme and think that's all there is to it, which is wrong. Enzymes are a type of protein which in turn are made of amino-acids. The key component that makes an Enzyme a catalyst is its molecular shape, allowing it to act upon a substance without necessarily exchanging ions. The enzymes used to create recombanant DNA, which happens all the time in our bodies btw, actually rearrange the DNA sequences by pulling segments apart(analysis indicate some can exert as much as 20 times the kinetic force as an equivalent size muscle tissue), moving the segment, and then re-attaching the segment at a different point in the chain.

Enzymes can even be used as powerful disinfectants such as against prions/vCJD's.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993999

Additionally, many acids are named after either their combined component element combination, like hydrocloric acid, or after a key component, such as in functional groups (I.E.>For example, methanol, etc. are all classified as alcohols since they contain a functional hydroxyl group) that makes it possible for a combination of substances to become an acid.

Now there are many different types of acids and they can be neutrallized differently. Some can be neutrallized by something as simple as vinger while others actually become acid in stuff like liquid ammonia instead of in water.

As for why air neutrallizes Enzyme's blood, for one thing let's remember we're dealing with blood so its partly to do with oxidation with the iron in the blood. An important factor considering even the later Enzymes had the same limitations, aside from the vomit acid, of how they could deliver the acid to the target. Then there's the fact air is composed of more than just Oxygen.

As to the taste, I seriously doubt anyone in the Manga would ever even entertain the idea of tasting Enzyme's blood. So yes there is no evidence of sour taste but then again there is no evidence that there isn't one either.

How this pertains to the topic, simple, we may not know exactly how the unit would react to a Enzyme host but we can be pretty sure it can't get around anything that would directly damage it. Seeing the unit bond to a none human host would not resolve this debate as unless it bonds to something with a similar problem then we have no way of knowing if the unit could survive long enough to adapt or if it is even capable of that. At least for the first Enzyme since the component the Enzyme reacts with could be something the unit can't do without and/or is too much part of its makeup to shield or isolate from such a host.

Btw, the gravity discussion was not completely irrevelant since it pertained to the possible adaptability of the host unit combination by attempting to show how the unit adapted the host. It was just not a great example, since the examples given never really pushed the limits of human endurance of G forces, and as noted Brolly's calculations were off. But it did help bring up the points YoungGuyver made about organ replacement and such. Revelent since this discussion basically boild down to the limits of a Unit-G's adaptability and capabilities.

But like Will said, until further revelant evidence is gathered we can only assume for now that a unit bonding to an Enzyme host is not a likely possibility.

An acid works very differently from a enzyme. I can't find any dictionary definition that would allow you the wiggle room to even imply that they're the same thing.

Acid:....2 a : of, relating to, or being an acid; also : having the reactions or characteristics of an acid *acid soil* *an acid solution*...

I would have to side with YoungGuyver's opinion on this matter. The Unit-G is definitely capable of amazing adaptability but I see no indications that it could alter its makeup enough to make itself immune to Enzyme acid. Essentially the bonding process leans more towards the host being assimulated into the unit rather than the unit being assimulated into the host so it is unlikely the unit could gain host immunity to acid. Especially considering the host probably doesn't need protection from the acid since it's specifically designed to only dissolve Guyver armor, at least for Enzyme 1. Enzyem 2 and 3 have a remote possibility but also unlikely. It is more likely the unit would simply neutralize the host ability to produce the acid.

Oh and humans don't collapse under a mere 13g.

Actually 13 G's can cause structural collapse as well. The human body can only take high G's for very short periods of time. Even trained fighter pilots struggle to stay conscious at the 7-9 G range. Think about it, 13 G's means a normally 160 pound person would weigh about a TON! That's like dropping a small car on top of someone. A normal human would be lucky as hell to survive 3 second of that without a stroke. I don't think anyone really wants to see what happens to a human after prolonged exposure to 13 G's, yuck. A human may not get crushed right away but after a few minutes the body will definitely not be in its original shape.

As for Enzyme 1, since acid is a term to describe a chemical reaction, it's valid to call Enzyme 1's blood an acid. It doesn't matter if it only affects a particular component of the Guyver, it acted like an acid and thus can be called an acid.

Well if you want me to spell it out, its a little thing called capacity!

Even with three Gravity Control Orbs you're still working with one simple human host body. Adding additional gravity orbs mainly makes the whole thing more efficient, not necessarily more powerful.

As to durability, most Zoanoids are about as durable as small tanks. In the Manga it takes a lot more than bullets to even hurt one while the normal Guyver Pressure Cannon can punch right through even the impact absorbing armor of Zerebubuse chest and leave a hole big enough that most of us can just dive through.

For anyone who has seen that level of firepower used on a building, such as a tank shell fired into a building, knows a skyscraper might as well be made of cardboard. Remember for zoanoids to be even bullet proof their skin/armor would have to be about 20 times stronger than steel and the strongest material used in skyscrapers are steel.

True it takes a significant amount of power to blast a gaping ten story hole through a skyscraper but is not enormously greater than the power of normal Guyver pressure cannon. Considering the blast given off by Agito expanded significantly before impact so the hole matched the diameter of the pressure cannon upon impact, similar to the impact damage of a normal Guyver's Pressure Cannon.

Besides which the power of the Pressure Cannon comes from gravity and thus is external to the power from the host Bio-Boost. So is not an accurate indicator of the Guyver's power other than its ability to control power. Which is what I indicated before.

The Mega Smasher is a much better indicator and even a normal Guyver's single blast is capable of doing more damage than a Gigantic's Pressure Cannon.

You must look at the whole picture to keep perspective before deciding on a character's power level.

Yes, this is not a Data File but there appear to be some misconceptions.

It is a bit erroneous to assume that because some abilities of a character may be above their rated power level that their power level should be stated as higher. As I said many times before the 2x is an average rating accounting for a characters overall power.

A Gigantic may seem much more powerful than a normal Guyver but that power is balanced by how much energy the Gigantic can use before it falls off.

I.E.> A Gigantic can only fire its Hyper Smashers once and doing so would force the Gigantic to fall off very shortly after that. A Normal Guyver doesn't have that strict limitation with its Mega Smashers.

So overall power must be about the same. The Gigantic is just more efficient in using that power.

A Gigantic also only uses the thrusters when facing their target and delivering either a power punch or chest blade/spear attack.

I.E.> The positioning of the thrusters do not allow there use when flying backwards, head first(Which Gigantic G1 has done a lot), or either up or down unless at an angle.

So when saying a Zoalord can keep up with a Gigantic, it should be noted this only refers to the Gigantic's normal speed and not its thruster enhanced speed. Those who have read the Manga will note the only Zoalords to ever intercept a Gigantic while the thrusters were in use was when the Zoalord teleported.

Since a normal Guyver doesn't just float, they can fly up to 300 MPH, and Gigantics have not been shown going supersonic without thruster assist that their gravity powered flight must be limited to below the speed of sound. 300 MPH is close to half the speed of sound at a subsonic limit it means the Giganitc can only be about 2x as fast as a normal Guyver.

The thrusters are a seperate factor that appears to be mainly for quick bursts of speed, as when GG1 used it so he could power punch a fake Zoanoid Gigantic(made up of three zoanoids) that had proven too quick to otherwise catch.

As to the power of the Gravity orbs, in the pressure cannon example, when comparing the Kronos tower to a zoanoid it should be noted zoanoids are a bit more durable than the materials that make of a skyscraper. Also remember that Zektole is the only unshielded zoaform that can withstand a normal Guyver's Pressure Cannon without either having rapid regeneration or hard to kill like Enzymes.

So of the Giganic's abilities the Pressure Cannon may seem the most enhanced but remember the power of the Pressure Cannon does not come from the host. GG3 was also on the ground when he fired that massive pressure cannon and put as much effort into the attack as a normal Guyver would to fire a triple attack. Remember he was a bit angry at the time. A Gigantic would also have a greater ability to focus gravity energy, in addition to its greater power, accounting for the power of the attack.

In fact that was my point with the Guyot example. He did not literally have the power to destroy a planet. He only had the ability to create a true black hole if he, at full strength, channeled all his power into creating one. The nature of the black hole would then do the rest.

Simply because a character is capable of doing something beyond their classified power level does not mean they are actually more powerful than their indicated power level.

I.E.> As a fan fic example, Dreadnought's Matrix Bomb is argueably his most powerful weapon but the power of the attack does not come from him. He only triggers the effect by taking advantage of the natural energy contained even in the vacuum of space. It doesn't really make him more powerful than the power level indicated for him.

um, 2x a guyver? That's an rpg stat? Very interesting power scale, considering a guyver's black hole is fist sized, and can only suck up air, while a zoalord's black hole can take out an entire city, even a planet if it charges up. Very interesting power scale.

Zoalords of the Manga are very specialized except for Alkanphel and Imakarum. The average Zoalord is only 2x but each has a special elemental power.

I.E.> Guyot was the only one of the regular supreme zoalords capable of generating a black hole attack.

The thing to remember is that it was for him a specialized attack that focused the totality of his power into a single attack and is thus directly comparable to the Guyver's Mega Smashers.

It was only capable of destroying a planet if he managed to give it enough energy to become a true black hole, in which case it is the nature of that weapon that then gives it the power to destroy a planet since all surrounding matter then contributes to fueling the black hole.

I.E.> It basically a chain reaction.

Any other form of energy would not have that level of destructive power.

I.E.> Prug'Stall could focus an entire lightning storm energy on a single target but the resulting blast would not destroy more than a couple city blocks. Even though he puts about as much energy into his attack as Guyot does.

A Mega Smasher's energy comes only from the Guyvers but in terms of what energy was put into the attack they are about equal.

You really have to look at the whole picture when considering these things and try to keep things in perspective.

Also consider the fact that the Guyver Mega Smashers are powerful enough to kill a Zoalord if hit by both.

I.E.> It took Guyot days to fully recover after getting hit by one. If he was trully many times more powerful than a Guyver then even the Mega Smasher should not have hurt him as the power to destroy planets would have easily have shielded the attack or even allowed him to warp it back like Alkanphel showed was possible.

If it was that simple to develop a cure for a Virus we would already have cured the common cold.

It is much easier to develop a virus than it is to develop a cure. Once it mutates an entirely new cure would have to developed, each time. Considering how much it would take for a virus to keep up with a Guyver immune system I don't see them coming up with a biological cure.

Problems is viruses mutate and anything that can effect a Guyver will have to mutate rapidly to keep ahead of the Guyver immune system so making a cure would be next to impossible unless it is something simple like a low level electricution to rupture the virus and cause them to die enmass and something the Guyver itself can't do to itself.

Brian is correct, please stick to the subject FOG3, other anime's have their own rules and believability levels and make for bad examples.

I.E.> Tekkaman may be able to go mach 3 (~2,250 MPH) in atmosphere but the Guyver can only go 300 MPH in atmosphere. Besides the 12,000 km/s is just plain wrong. You're talking about accelerating to 4% of the speed of light in very short time for something that can only go mach 3 in atmosphere. Completely violating conservation of energy even taking the moons lesser gravity and acceleration towards Earth's higher gravity into account.

But not to totally dismiss your arguments.

Data 3 kinda seems to prove your point but when you realize how far out they had to have gone and that he carried Mizuki all the way home despite being "exhausted" in his fight with Zerebubuse. This would seem to indicate he regained his strength with the armor on as there is no logical way for him to have regained it without it. Data 4, also seems to prove your point but there are flaws in that. For one thing Sho didn't pass out or really show signs of getting ready to pass out until he consciously disengaged the armor.

Walking home requires very little energy compared to running and carrying Mizuki would only required a tiny fraction of his Guyver strength so even if he was near exhausted, note he wasn't totally exhausted by that battle, does not mean he necessarily needed to recover to get them back home. A Guyver can push his or her limits if needed after all. As for your second example, aside from his breathing and body language there isn't a reliable way to tell how exhausted a Guyver is until they disengage their armor so you're assuming a lot from that one example.

I don't recall any instances where the armor has had to sleep for ages or for that matter disengaged itself from fatigue. As a matter of fact the second Aptom fight seems to disprove that. Sho is fataly injured (if he was just human it would have been fatal) with a giant hole in his lower torso lying in a pool of his own blood. He boosts and proceed to fight Aptom with no indication of any handicap despite being very close to death a few minutes ago. Sho gets somewhat beaten up before mostly vaporizing Aptom and from the last page of that manga volume disengages the armor at least when he reenters the cave Mizuki's in. Next volume, apparently the same day as all those zoanoids were looking for them, we seem Sho in armor running full tilt with Mizuki on his back for a undetermined time with zoanoids in pursuit. Still at full fighting potential which would indicate he can recharge in armor. Then of course there's the Gigantes being able to be used by one host after the other "depletes" its energy.

As Brian said it has happened, don't go by the truncated anime for proof. As for the Aptom fight it was the first battle Sho had been in in quite awhile so he was at full strength and was not exhausted by the battle which was relatively short. If you remember the interesting figures topic you remember that a Guyver regeneration is enormously potent so injury alone will not exhaust a Guyver and the injuries he sustained before bio-boosted would have been instantly healed by the unit, remember also the unit replaces host organs when activated with its own so in Guyver form the host injuries would have been instantly rectified. Then there is your Gigantic example, its invalid to the discussion because different host means new energy source so does not tell us anything about a Guyver's individual limits other than that it fall off when the Guyver host gets low on energy.

Personally I don't exactly buy into the few cells being on the Control Medal and being significant to the regeneration. That explanation mostly comes from a scientists wild speculation.

Cell regeneration increases with the number of cells regenerating.

I.E.> 1 cell becomes 2 cells, then 2 becomes 4, then 4 becomes 8, etc.

So as the mass increases so does the rate of growth but from a visual perspective it would not become noticeable until the mass reaches a certain amount, thus it only seemed that the CM regenerated spontaneously after 11 hours when the regeneration could have been happening the entire time. Besides it would be even more amazing if the CM could regenerate without a few cells as it would take even more energy to generate matter from scratch so we can safely say the few cells theory is valid in of itself.

In space he'd be expending less energy I'd think as he doesn't need to fight gravity like he would to fly. Besides which unless he accelerate to some significant velocities he has plenty of time where he'd be just drifting as constant thrust isn't necessary. Plenty of time for the regeneration systems to do their job. Of course it'd be rather absurd to use it without hyperspace transport for interstellar travel. Of course the main question would be how it deals with a airless environment. Oh that brings up a question, is Gigantes labelled as having a air sac like organ in the Data Files?

Since the Guyver uses gravity to fly in the first place then a Guyver doesn't have to fight gravity at all. The only valid considerations are momentum and drag. A Guyver may have plenty of time to accelerate in space but besides being a probable impossibility for a Guyver to remain functional in the vacuum of space for any significant length of time. The Guyver host will have to know a lot about astronomy and be very good in math to navigate through space and not drift off course and get lost. Something hard enough to do for most people but without air, food, and water a Guyver host will most probably lose consciousness after say twenty minutes, maximum I think, and then be stuck in self defense mode until it returns to a breathable atmosphere and can resusitate the host. Remember the host can lose consciousness while Bio-Boosted.

As for the Gigantic, it is based off a Relic after all so the idea that it can sustain a host in space should come as no surprise. At the very least the cocoon can maintain an air pocket though it is very likely the Gigantic can provide full life support short of energy required for battle. Basically as long as the Hyper Smashers aren't used then the Gigantic can be maintained for a long time.

Course that brings up the subject of how a Guyver responds to lack of oxygen since we can all agree the host won't actually die but we don't know whether the host can continue to function consciously and/or whether the Unit's Self Defense mode is intelligent enough to get itself back to a breathable atmosphere.

Sith Guyver, the Guyver doesn't have to push against other gravitational bodies. Your concept of pushing off only applies when one resists gravity. The Gravity Control Orb controls gravity for propulsion so only needs to be within a gravitational field, which exists wherever positive energy/matter exists. It uses gravity itself for propulsion so it can only be effected by Gravity if it either lets it or if the gravitational field exceeds its ability to control. You only need enormous power to escape a gravitational field if you do it all at once. Overcoming the Sun's gravity only factors in if you want to leave the Solar System.

Yes a W'Kar is all about power but what makes you think 18x is low, even for a W'Kar unit?

Remember the WG power scale was different from the GWOTG scale back when it still used Bio-Levels. Those old DF's have yet to be updated.

Besides, the original unit's main claim to ultimate power is the W'Kar element. The reproduction units had no W'Kar element as well but were made at a later date so had superior technology to the original unit. Making them more powerful than the original unit if the original unit had not been merged with a W'Kar element. Gilgamesh unit is like the original but doesn't have the W'Kar element so it is in fact very powerful given its level of technology. There's nothing scaled back about it.

Besides, an 18x being is nothing to scoff at and it can disrupt the balance of power in the WG universe. It's only his lack of skills in using his unit that makes him seem less now. The Kregan, however, do not care about that. Their only concern with the WG universe is what they told Omni-W'Kar before he came to the WG universe.

NO way! I thought dreadnought was the most powerful guyver.Is it because zagam's red matrix is more superior than that of dreadnought 's or was his armour created to surpase dreadnought's abilities?

McAvoy is correct, please read the Data Files. It is fairly obvious Zagam is more powerful despite the loss of a few abilities.

Hmm, what makes you think it's a scaled down version of the original W'Kar prototype? Aside from it not having a W'Kar element?