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Like I said, her CM in not normal and has to deal with strain of containing singularity so only would become 80x, not 100x.

HSL is part of reason her unit would become so much more powerful. Both the HSL and the Singularity would be set up to boost energy of host bio-boost process. Systems are not directly compatable so would have to work seperately. For example, if HSL feeds the singularity energy, it could easily grow and become too powerful to contain. So will work as two seperate power generating systems.

Nanites are equal, they just serve different purposes.

Needless to say Cyber Guyver is no longer a normal Guyver at his core, he was damaged, so fact is he's a cyborg and even his human form is more machine than flesh and blood. There's a reason for why he is the way he is but the answer falls under the "No Comment" rule.

Besides, Nano Guyver is Dead and CG is not likely to encounter those nanites.

For examples on how potent CG's nanites are, just look at how they effected Robo Guyver Ken and Guyver 2.

is zeus ever geting another upgrade, i know he quite stronge now but is he going to have upgrade to make him be in league with dreadnought, alk, kavaz enforcer, etc.

Ooh, I would really like to answer that but unfortunately that question falls under the "No Comment" rule, sorry.

So then thats why WGC can channel cmp through his blast field, I take it with WGC the matrix decided to experiment with the cpm system into genrating a more powerful shield instead of being used as a weapon, While we are on WGC how come his unit mega smashers work like a gigantics instead of how the other warrior units work.

Remember he was upgraded from a standard unit. So much of the standard unit tech was reworked to give him his enhanced powers. So additional gravity orbs were put into his chest plates, just like design of a Gigantic, to boost both his gravity powers and the power of his smashers. This is also part of reason he is still green instead of standard WG Blue. His unit was upgraded, not replaced. Though I would argue that his meteor blast field is as much a weapon as it is a shield, but yes it is another example of CPM technology.

Think you meant 100x, or 10,000 men. But fact is Dark Nova doesn't have a standard CM to begin with. So adding Full Warrior Tech to her Unit will only push her to 80x. It would have been 100x if she was only using a normal Unit but her CM is enhanced by a Zoa-Crystal that contains the singularity that is the source of her power. Also, just like the Apothecary Unit, any enhancement of the CM would also have to deal with controlling the resulting increase in power.

On stability, yes the WG factor would make CM more stable and could take some damage but any damage approaching what WG experienced after his fight with GZ would result in loss of containment and then nothing but a black hole would be left. Remember also that before her upgrade to Dark Nova, she nearly lost control over her singularity without any damage to her CM. Really, using a black hole to power a unit is just as dangerous as using Anti-Matter or a W'Kar element.

Nano Xetel was a Zoalord, made Zoagod(that part didn't work out too well), who got enhanced by Nanites. It made him powerful but he still had limitations like he can only teleport once a day.

Cyber Guyver is already a Nanite enhanced Guyver. For reasons I can't yet reveal, the Nanites took over a bit and turned him into a Cyborg Guyver. Since there is no chance of him becoming a Zoalord, and fact he already has nanites, a similar upgrade will not happen.

As to what will happen to him in the future, sorry "No Comment"

Yes, the WG2 units where designed for offensive warfare where many would fight together. So defenses where not a high priority of the design and WG's are hard to kill anyway so ideal for quickly overwhelming enemy forces.

In terms of raw power, Gravity Shield aside, both the Prototype WG unit and WG2 unit are basically equal. Only the design difference makes one appear superior to other. BTW, the use of CPM's for power boosting is a feature unique to human hosted units because of the Guyver factor, Creators and Warrior Kavzars can't use CPM's that way. Both unit types are designed for fighting.

The main difference is WG2 unit channels most of its power into firepower. Ex: CPM's are derived from same mechanism that grants WG units the ability to use the Blast Field as a shield. This leaves WG2 Units without the ability to call on Blast Field as a shield but more than compesates in focusing that power for firepower. The CPM devices can also shape shift and usually take the form of forearm laser orbs, primary reason WG2 units have 5 when WG units only have 1, but can also form into an extra pair of swords if needed.

Generally though only extemely advance beings, like W'Kar and Dreadnought, or beings capable of generating immense power, like Dark Nova, have well balanced power levels. All others needs some form of speciallization to extend their power beyond the norm for their level of technology and power.

For Zeus, I really don't know where some of you are getting the impression he is under powered. I've already stated his superior specs to other characters near his power. For examples in fic, he fought and won against a team of Jy-taki and Warrior Kavzars in Meetings fic and has given as well as he gotten in his battles, there's been more than 1 btw, with Kron. The only thing Prometheus has gone up against with that level of power was Hunter and he needed Ultimus help to even do that. Guardian has only been shown fighting in 7 Days of Hell fic so far and has yet to do anything on the scale of power that Zeus has shown.

Final note on shields, you're not taking into account energy density and efficiency. Same reason WG unit Mega Smashers are only 2x when total unit power is 4x. Power alone does not mean something has to be as powerful as you think it should be. You're also forgetting a lot of Zeus's power goes to giving him a wider range of powers than his base unit has, like weather control, etc. Not to mention I already said he is really a 8x character. 12x comes from boost from CPM built into Zeus armor to boost HSL system. Remaining boost comes from host unit's CPM, who's limitations have already been discussed. The armor itself is an artificially created Gigantic prototype left over from original Warrior Project. It's just like trying to balance a budget, not everything can get full funding. Agito wants to destroy his enemies so he gave himself the proverbial big stick. Until he either upgrades his armor with more advance tech, remember he still has that lab, or changes his priorities, his unit will stay the way it is.

I'm curious why you think his shields should be more powerful?

His shields are over twice the strength of say Prometheus shields and close to six times the power of his base WG2 unit. Considering Zeus armor only increases his power by three times that that is quite an improvement.

Point of fact, aside from CPM's and basic body shield, a WG2 unit has NO shields.

You think Guardian seems way stronger than Zeus

Let's see her durability, firepower, and reflex speed all weaker. Firepower and Reflex are still weaker even with the Bio-Doubler boosted max.

Comparison is not even valid, she's a Mark II enhanced Warrior Guyver. Zeus is a Gigantic enhanced type 2 Warrior Guyver.

You're all missing the point, this isn't DBZ where everything is judged by power level alone. We go by fighting ability, unit technology, and host characteristics. Zeus is a powerful being but he is based off a WG2 Unit, which is speciallized for FIREPOWER, not defense.

Besides any Guyver that can go one on one with Kron can hardly be called weak. His abilities are completely consistant with the technology of his Unit.

Other 10x beings, lets see Prometheus can only withstand 2-3 kilotons, Ultimas can withstand 6 kilotons but only with his Meteor blast field and full shields, Guardian only beats Zeus durability when boosted to 20x, and the only 10x character besides MWG to have durability higher than Zeus is Black Nova (Pre-Dark Nova) and that's because her shield system is similar to WG's Gravity Shield weapon.

W'Kar's Control Medal was not split.

But you are perfectly free to post that fic McAvoy.

Zeus is Technically a 8x character. 12x is achieved by the Gigantic Unit's CPM, which is designed to boost HSL system. Remaining power boost comes from his base Unit's CPM's but can only provide short bursts of 16x, otherwise it can only be applied to one ability at a time over longer periods of time.

That aside, you must realize the Type 2 Warrior Unit is primarily an offensive type. Aside from CPM and body shield it has no shielding system. So Zeus's omni-directional shields are only produced by the Gigantic unit. His offensive capabilities on the other hand are on a parr with his power level.

Just come up with another cyber guyver question, back in revenge CGG was able to build a new control metal, so could scot build a new metal and make a double of him self icon_question.gif

Hmm, yes but remember Scott has not mastered control over his new body yet. Like learning to walk again, he has to train his mind to fully control his new body. Nearly all of its advance functions are still limited to automatic responses. Technically he still has so little control over his body that if not for the upgrades it has undergone that he would be dead now. Only fact he is a trained scientist has allowed him to control the units ability to interface with technology. Though that and other abilities may be within his reach in the future.

Matt already answered the Gigantic question, so as to the remaining questions, sorry

"No Comment"

Greg in WG universe has not experienced the same events that led to his other becoming Anubis so he has yet to evolve and only time will tell into what exactly he will evolve into.

wow, someone who stays awake in history class.

Gee, since you liked that

Kahn is also known as the inventor of the blitzkrieg. The hit and run tactic made famous in WWII when Germany used it to defeat the French. Hmm, come to think of it Anubis isn't too shabby in the tactician department either.

But really, both me and Allen know our history. So does anyone else want to comment on Anubis before this topic gets locked?

How about Dark Nova Warrior class unit?

That would be about equal to Deus. Down side, if CM ever gets cracked then nothing will be left but a black hole.

Too bad no existing hybrid unit.

Sorry, Warrior Project and Nova Project where competitors.

But you never know, in a universe full of parallel worlds. An alternate reality may exist where that unit was made. Though not in any of the worlds Dreadnought has visited so far.

Because it is the most technologically advance ship in the WG universe, even if it is a wreck. Jason would never get any sleep as he would have to constantly fend off those who would want a piece of that tech. Besides, we already have a plan

True, Anubis is a bit similar to Kahn. But Anubis is a lot more evil than Kahn ever was.

Kahn was ruthless but like Alexander the Great, there was always a reason for his actions and he often gave his victims the chance to surrender. He was a lot less the barbarian than most people now think of him. It's just most never accepted the offer. Once conquered though, the people lived better under his rule than they had before. In that way he was similar to Roman Empire. One of the reasons he was so well documented, dispite a lot of his stuff being destroyed by communist China, since they thought he was too popular among the people, was because he had nearly everything he did written down so his descendants could benefit from his wisdom. Even the Japanese took a strong liking to him because many of his actions where in accord with their mind set of being a master race and appealed to them even though they have no relations to mongolians.

Also battles in Meetings fic helped push W'Kar closer to his next evolution. It's one of the dangers of triggering the Warrior Rage. If not for that, he might not have evolved at the critical point needed to Create Anubis.

So WG2 universe Krullnar is pretty much responsible for the creation of Anubis. The redemption value of W'Kar in WG universe has yet to play out. The future is not written.

And yet WG2 Krullnar deadly obession may have indirectly saved the universe from anubis by setting in motioin the chain of events that led to two gregs being made, one who ended up as anubis and the one who ended up in the wg universe and is due for a new evaluition probly round the 30-40 times figure at least, and may yet end up as the only being with the potential to stop anubis

True but in a way Krullnar also helped set the stage for W'Kar to become Anubis.

W'Kar's has already gone through a new evolution but I can't comment more until his new Data File is posted, but you can tell something is different about him from his new poster pic, which is already up.

He's not the only being with the potential to stop Anubis but he is the one with best chance of succeeding.

I'm also guessing that WG5 couldn't handle as high a gravity shield charge as WG and his CM would have likely blown up if he had tried to build the gravity sheild to the level WG had to kill the Guyver Zoalord

True but he can still handle quite a bit and the Control Medal is capable of self repair like the original, though doing so might make him switch sides again till he regains his senses. Can almost feel sorry for the guy, not.

I bet Krullnar would love to get his hands on detailed scan of the WG CM now that it's merged with the matrix, shame that jason would have have to be willing to allow it as I doubt krullnar has anything that can out smart a matix

Yes he would but then so did the Krullnar from WG2 Universe, which shows it can be a deadly obsession.

Also explains why krulnar is happy that WG5 is now considred a failure, since it had the same power level as the orginal but has the problem that damage the the control metal may make regenerate a jason clone instead of the host, so although his warrior unit is weaker than the clone it hasn't malfuctioned, all he needs is look at something like LFG and he has all he needs to make a warrior unit equal to his fathers.

Main thing Krullnar has to recreate is the Warrior Unit Control Medal. It is the main reason why the WG5 failed and why WG4 is less powerful than the other WG's. Though similar in appearance and function, the CM's of those two units are not as powerful as the Original WG CM.

Ex: Though WG5 appears to be identical to WG, WG's CM has withstood a lot more powerful attacks than a CPM blast without taking damage.

krullnar made wg4 years after his farther dissapered and created it using what he must have remembered on how to create a warrior unit (solum must have done most of the work)

Actually, the the Creators lost all hard data on the Warrior Project when they lost Solom. Even Krullnar did not have much knowledge on how the Warrior Unit worked, so he made the WG4 after he backwards engineered the technology from the arm WG lost during his fight with Guyver Zoalord. So WG4 basically shows where they are now in recreating the Warrior technology. It's been very slow for them up till now because they needed the Earth to recreate the more important experiments and could not go to Earth till now. It's their primary purpose for returning after all this time so they can fill in the holes in their research.

True, WG2 unit has some distinct advantages over the 5th prototype WG unit. But it's mainly firepower though. Without Barrier Shield and CPM's, both units are virtually the same. The WG2 unit augmentation are just more practical for most battle conditions, while the prototype has an advantage only when gravity plays a major role in battle or if battle is long enough to give it time to charge up the Barrier shield.

Also note: The ability to use the CPM to boost speed and strength is unique to human hosted units, readers might remember WG2 Solom surprise when WG2 first used his CPM's to boost himself, it's the Guyver factor. But other advatages of unit are universal.

Answer can easily be found in a good physics book.

Simply a matter of power generation.

Fusion allows a significant percentage of matter to be converted into energy but not all of it. Using a singularity at the heart of a black hole allows 100% of matter to be converted into energy, nothing except matter/anti-matter annihilation can come even close to producing that much energy from matter.

So WG project had HSL while Nova project developed a controllable singularity. A bit of a desperate move if you think about it. HSL can be shut down if it malfunctions, but if BN lost containment then goodbye everyone within range of the black hole. Something to consider if you compare the WG unit with the BN unit.

As for history for Strange World universe, you'll have to wait for that answer.