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Basically the Giant unit was given the CM ring only so it could interface with a Warrior Guyver in order to activate its specialized weapon systems. Remember the Guy who had the unit before Max never activated those hidden features. Unlike Hyper (btw very good Juggernaut) it was never intended to bond in any way. It was only ever called a Guyver because the people who found it didn't know what else it could be. The CM ring was intentionally meant to be confusing because we didn't want to reveal that it was made to work with a Warrior Unit until Max did it. But that's over and done with.

Aaaaahhh, Allen wants my job, Aaaaaaah!!! (Secretly booby traps the data files to auto erase if over ride not entered every day and only I knows the code) (Tells psychologist that he is not paranoid) :apt:

Possibly, but Unit's are activated with a switch on the bottom of the unit. Which in turns releases the organism from stasis. Then the case opens up and dissolves and the organism with the CM in the center launches itself at the nearest host within line of the direction the dormant unit was facing when activated. The thing to remember is the organism doesn't care what it bonds to. It is a parasitic life form that literally absorbs other life forms and then mimics them. The only thing to keep it in check is the Control Medal. So it could be glowing in response to a potential host or it could be just preparing to stop the organism from completely devouring the host and manipulating it to instead bond with the host. I personally believe the later. In which case the unit will bond to any life form, with the possible exception that it has a brain to link to. But since this has never been tested in any version of the Guyver we are left to speculate.

That is essentially correct Juggernaut. The pilot doesn't move, the armor does. And Yup, a very good point Allen. The Giant is a Test Unit. What am I chop liver? I'm a co-writer of the WG fan fiction, on the main site page you will see my name listed as "James". In fact I do most of the final editing on the fics before they get posted except for Allen's. And I'm the Creator and writer of the Cyber Guyver. Not to mention I'm the one who does most of the Data Files. So it's basically my job to know what I'm talking about with the Guyver and the fan made creations. I'd be fired if I got details like that wrong

Good theory McAvoy A Matrix can re-create itself from just a small chunk/shard. So nope, something else is effecting it.

good one Allen. Anyway, he's not a full Warrior Unit. He's an approximation created by Krullnar that isn't quite as powerful. And he has his own set of abilities. Solom created the WG and WG2 Units.

Nope, the Matrix may not have a lot of power but like WG's they never really run out of energy. Something else is effecting it.

Nice to see you on this board Takara But yes, you are correct about how the Giant shape shifting works. As for the Torso, the shapeshifting allows leaway. Also if you note, we really only bend at the point of our stomach area, our torso isn't that flexible. Our ribcage is pretty set after all and the shoulders are further out. So WGC's body's hips would allow him to bend since they would be near were the chest and stomach area meet. Really, he doesn't have to move any more than our internal organs need to. And for the most part the Giant unit can just flow around him. And like stated before the Giant has special components that were specifically designed to work with WG's.

Please don't take this the wrong way but... What part of shape shifting armor do you guys not understand? A human pilot doesn't have to do anything. The Giant Unit is not a Gigantic!!! In fact it's over 50% bigger than a Gigantic. Even Dreadnought only comes up to 12 feet tall, with the regular Gigantic coming out to under 10. The Giant Unit is 15 feet tall minimum and with WGC grew to 16.4 feet tall. It's huge!!! And the Mega Smashers can be channeled McAvoy, Neo-Zektole proved that when he shielded himself from the smashers using an EM field. Even Aptom used that trick using an electrical arc to redirect smashers beams around himself. And the Giant unit was made to work with Warrior Units. So works better with them than normal Aceaers do. For example the Shoulder pod weapons shows the unit was designed with special equipment that only activated when linked to a Warrior Unit. Similarly there are other systems that allow the Giant to work with the Warrior Unit without getting in the way.

Uh, McAvoy, 15 feet means the torso is already nearly as high as the person inside. I think you're assuming the pilot has to be center mass. But remember the unit doesn't bond to the host so the host still has to be near the audio/visual sensors of the head for optimum efficiency. So the head is the starting point. From the head to the legs there is about 7 feet of space. So unless the pilot is a basketball player they can fit in there. Besides which the Aceaer is as I said a shape shifting armor so a larger pilot will of course cause the Giant to adapt and get bigger as well. And with a neuro link they don't have to move so that's more than enough space. On a normal human the Giant Unit is 15 feet tall. On WGC Ultimus is 16.4 feet tall. WGC is 7 feet tall after all, which is about a foot taller than the average person. So the Giant adapted accordingly.

McAvoy, Mecha armor aren't directly linked to the pilot's body. The pilot doesn't have to directly control the limbs. It's either linked to controls or the pilot's nervous system or just their mind. You know like Robotech, Gundam, etc. And Mecha category starts at around 15 feet tall. So the Giant Unit qualifies.

The host is not altered with the Giant Unit, it's just a big Aceaer Unit that goes on the host. Really no different from say an advance Mecha type armor. Rather the Giant Unit itself alters itself to the person using it. Really Aceaer Unit's are basically shapeshifting unit's that configure themselves as power armors for the user. The only thing it does to the host is provide life support, including enhanced regeneration, and a neuro link to control the Aceaer with. As an Aceaer though the Giant Unit provides a set power increase to the user, but it was designed to work with Warrior Units to a degree, which is why it gained some additional abilities when it linked with WGC. Basically the CM ring allowed it to support a more complex form with higher than normal Aceaer Power levels. But it doesn't really have a CM like a Guyver does, it's just an augmentation. So the power increase percentage was similar to a normal Aceaer and Warrior pairing. But since the Giant Aceaer is more powerful the resulting combined form resulted in Ultimus. For Dreadnought it would provide the same increase in power but Jason could always potentially use the Matrix to enhance it further if he wanted. But Dreadnought is extremely powerful so there is the chance he could overload the Giant Unit and destroy it accidently. It would be like if Superman put on a power armor, even though it can add its power to his if he uses too much of his own power he could just tear through the armor like it was tissue paper. So remember, Aceaer Units may be useful but they have their limits as well. They were never intended to replace actual Units and even among the Kavzar it is only a stepping stone in their development as they are trained to become Kavzar. Incidently the Kavzar are those who perminently bonded with their Aceaer Units and had been given control crystals. Only then does the Aceaer Bond.

Essentially think of Aceaer Unit's like biological exo-armors. Aside from the biological factor they aren't that different from say Ironman. So no pain, they just go onto the user. But without bonding not even the Giant Unit would be able to regenerate the host if the host died.

Do they have to eat?. . . Eventually but the regenerative quality of the Aceaer can keep the user going for a long time. The Giant Unit is still just an Aceaer, though it has some special modifications that let's it work with a Warrior Unit better than normal. It was its huge size that gave it its high power level. Just think of it as the Hulk Buster of Aceaer Unit's

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Yes, it's forever. Basically, according to the translations, Chronos discovered the enzyme the Guyver Organism used on itself to break itself down like during deactivation and part of its metabolism and just isolated and mass produced it in the Enzyme Zoanoid. It also clarified that they got it from examining G2. This is why it is so effective on a Guyver. Though we can't be sure if the later Enzymes use the same Enzyme or developed something similar since the Japan Branch, along with all its data, was lost when it was destroyed. Anyway. . . The Warrior Guyver body shield however can be manipulated to prevent this chemical reaction and thus make the Warrior Guyver immune. And since Warrior Guyver CM's share combat data it would also share adaptations. So yes, other Warrior Guyvers that came in contact with Jason would automatically gain immunity to Enzyme Acid if they had not already been exposed to it.

The problem is the results are conclusive Tyranthrax. And there is nothing quick about my conclusions, I've examined every detail of the Manga and I've been debating the subject for over decade. Even this topic has come up before. We are in fact shown how it works but you want to assume it can do things far beyond what we are shown. You aren't really asking a reasonable possibility when you are asking that something far beyond what is shown should be possible. I wouldn't be disagreeing with you if that was the case. I've not only been debating the Guyver for over a decade, I've been debating science and technology for over two decades. The fact is the Relic, in order to be controlled, has to establish a link. It does this by the light/energy that all CM's are seen emitting. Even the Rogue Clone Monster responded to that light when it ran away from G1 when it saw that light. But this light doesn't travel hundreds of miles. The Guyver doesn't control the Relic by simple telepathy, it's a full neuro link established through the CM. And we've seen the Relic use it's scanners when Sho used the Relic to see around the mountain and saw everything around them. But he didn't see for hundreds of miles. He only saw the area around the mountain base. Which is impressive by itself since that is clearly further than the Guyver Hyper Sensors could reach but also shows there is still limitation. If the link was purely telepathic then I wouldn't be arguing with you but it's not. And anything that requires a pilot to use the ship as an extension of his body requires a lot of bandwidth which is simply impossible to maintain over hundreds of miles. The CM light shows that it uses the EM spectrum to establish the link and science already shows the limitations of EM spectrum methods of communication. Telepresense would require virtually the entire spectrum. The further away an object is the more energy you need but also lag time increases with distance. If the Relic ships could just be remote controlled then the Creators wouldn't have left any behind. But they did which shows they could not be remote controlled, they needed to be piloted. Just to show one of the possibilities you may not have considered. Even opening the Relic was shown done by the light of the CM glowing. Never mind the fact that commanding the Relic to teleport something is CONTROLLING IT!!! The Relic doesn't think for itself! It's not just simple manipulation or like making a phone call and asking it to do something. So you're not just overestimating Tyranthrax, you're asking that we ignore physics and logical reasoning. You already made the erroneous assumption that I'm arguing for something I like when anyone who has read the Warrior Guyver fan fiction would tell you that you are clearly wrong on that regard. I use teleporting like crazy in the fan fiction. Really you blew my mind with that one. So you assumed bias where there is none. I'm arguing for what is facts and what is reasonable given the facts. Just because something hasn't been spelled out doesn't mean you can't figure out what is possible given what has been shown. And you've already admitted you haven't read or even seen the entire manga. Yet you want to argue like you're an expert on the subject and even tried to tell me what I have and have not read. Though you have edited part of your statements the gist of your argument is still trying to say nothing conflicts with your theory when there are in fact many things that goes against it. Yet you are resolute in your belief that this idea should be possible. For example, going by your own logic, if a Guyver Unit can send itself into hyper space when it deactivated then it should be possible to send the host as well. But that reasoning is clearly wrong since Guyvers can't hyper jump without a Gigantic. Even then it is obviously not a precise process. The Gigantic Cocoon fly into the air all the way up to the clouds before it hyper jumped to Mizuki's location. And once it reached her location it didn't appear right behind her, it appeared in midair and then landed behind her. And I really think if the Gigantic had any real control over hyper jumping that Agito would have used that ability when he attacked Chronos with the Gigantic. But instead he flew away even though he risked being followed. But never mind logical reasoning, for you to believe the Guyver can control the Relic from any great distance you would have to ignore how the Guyver links with the Relic and assume it can do it by just telepathy. But if that was the case then the Zoalords would have been able to control the Relic too but they can't. So it's not just telepathy!!! The Telepathy would only allow the Guyver to call for the Relic to come to it but it wouldn't let that Guyver command it to do anything complex like teleport. Even the teleport as you want to call it is something you are completely underestimating in its complexity. We're talking about manipulating space time and doing so at not only one location but two simultaneously. Never mind a hyper jump tends to be one way so the portal would have to be opened from the Guyver's position to the Relic's. Scanning alone happens through the EM spectrum, the fact a zoanoid can cloak from even the Hyper Sensors proves this, and the further away it is the harder it is to be precise, let alone real time. A Relic in Orbit would also be constantly moving so the jump point location will constantly be shifting. The Guyver themselves would have to be able to know their location from the Relic to even tell the Relic where to grab them from and where to send them. Add the requirement for the CM light to be able to reach the Relic. And the Relic to understand what the Guyver wants it to do. And for the Guyver to have command level access to the Relic... Just to highlight the basics of what you are asking to be possible. Really, you don't even want to have someone on board the Relic to properly command the Relic during the whole process. So come on, if you are going to overestimate at least be reasonable in your overestimation.

Partially, the unit CM is constantly enhancing the host situational awareness and augments the host combat instincts. The CM also helps process information from the Hyper Sensors and prioritizes threat assessments for him. This ability is enhanced when multiple Warrior Units are fighting together as then the CM's all link up and synchronize so all Warrior Units can fight as one coordinated team no matter how chaotic the battle becomes. For Dreadnought the Matrix enhances this to the point that he can predict his opponents actions before they make them and can handle massive chaotic battle scenarios without the need to team up with other Warrior Guyvers. Though these abilities are effected by host personality and fighting style.

For the Warrior Guyvers the adaptability is limited to developing resistance to biological attacks like Enzyme Acid and Borg like energy shield adaptation to energy attacks. Basically optimizing shields to be more effective at blocking a particular type of attack. The WG's also have a more advance AI system that allows them to be far more effective fighters, especially in groups. Dreadnought however is bonded to a Matrix so his adaptability goes further but his limits haven't yet been described. As to the bonding the Warrior Units bond to their host on a genetic level. Which is why the host are put into peak condition and never need to eat and never tire except for sleep, even with the units deactivated. So like the normal Guyvers which leave the organisms on the host back the Warrior Unit's leave a little bit of unit bonded to the host DNA.

Wrong, Sho was never shown how to fire the Mega Smashers, and he was never shown how to use the Gravity Ram attack. The Guyver responds to the will and desires of its host. It's as simple as that. The only thing the host had to learn to use was the Hyper Sensors. All others was only discovering that he could do those things. But how to do them was something he only had to will or desire to activate. Hello, the CM doesn't talk. It doesn't tell Sho a damn thing. The CM is integrated with the host brain, it uses the host brain to decide what to do. Like in the anime, Sho wanted to protect Tetsuro so the unit protected Tetsuro. The CM is basically part of the host brain, even when the host is unconscious the CM is accessing the host brain for commands. When G1 was fighting Powered Zerebubuth in the new anime it clearly showed the CM accessing his brain during the battle. So the CM always responds to the host will. Hello, if they try and it doesn't work then it means they can't. Sorry but you're just in denial. The Guyvers have never communicated over a long range, even when Agito was ripping the Gigantic off of Sho. Sho cursed him but all Agito knew was the fact the Gigantic was low on power and that Sho had tried to resist. Which are useless without a pilot to tell the Relic what to do. Do you have a single thing to back up your theory? No, then do you have the slightest clue how the link works? No, then how the hell can you make this claim? Not for the Guyver, it's living technology. All of it was designed to respond to the host will and desire. Like the flying bit, all Agito really had to do was tell Sho he could do it and which part of the unit to focus on and the next G1 was flying like an expert. And you better not think for a second that Agito wasn't trying since the moment he learned about the Gigantic. Hello, there was no ecology when the Creators came to Earth, it was primordial ooze, just the building blocks of life. And what are you talking about no prior data, the Creators had explored many life sustaining worlds. That's how they got the Guyver Organism in the first place. The Earth was not the first planet they had gone to and experimented on. Never mind what ever world(s) the Creators themselves came from. And showing a planet's composition is exactly what spectrum analysis can show. Yes but like I said they have a RANGE LIMIT. Not even the Gigantic can scan miles around itself. When G1 broke into the Chronos building with Bio-Freezer, Bio-Freezer had to tell him where to break in since where they started to dig underground was too far away for G1 to scan. So just like normal RADAR the Guyver Hyper Sense has it's limits. Chronos even managed to create a Zoanoid that could cloak itself from the Hyper Sensors. G1 only realized something was there when the zoanoid was virtually on top of him and even then he lashed out of suspicion rather than certainty. And despite scanning the building G1 was still surprised by a group of Enzyme III's. So there are definite limits to the Hyper Sensors. Ever tried to do the math on that wise guy? The size of the portal has to cover both ends of the hyper jump for this so called teleport so you're extending an energy field over hundreds of miles. Never mind the difficulty of focusing that power to produce the hyper jump points over that distance. The energy requirements grow exponentially over distance like that and all the while it still has to be pin point accurate so as to not destroy the Guyver in the process. Glad you thought it through. . . And the surface area of over 200 miles is? Let alone 100,000 miles? Sorry but it's a lot easier to send stuff than it is to bring it to you. Not when you take into account the distance the energy field has to be extended over. Actually it can, warp bubbles can even create pocket realities as was shown a few times on STTNG. And the principle is the same as the Hyper Space jump. The only difference is you can still see the normal universe but traveling at warp means you enter subspace. In fact Warp Travel isn't possible unless you are in a part of space that shares with subspace. Besides haven't you heard of Transwarp Conduits? Possibly but the fact is the Ark was designed by the Creators so would have all the technology they possessed short of the Relic CM's. It was in fact designed as a generational war ship, unlike the Relics which were science ships, so if it was possible they would have given it that ability. Again, not true teleporation. You aren't dematerializing and rematerializing somewhere else. You are traveling from point A to point B just as you are now. Just like the difference between walking through a maze versus flying over it to your distination. It's just a short cut but you are still traveling as you would normally. Just like Warp Drive is a short cut, etc. You're using the word teleport way too loosely and in a debate that requires you to be precise because we are debating the feasability of this idea. Again you're not paying attention, the blast field only shows up during activation. When the Guyver deactivates there is no blast field. The Blast Field is a result of something coming into normal space from Hyper Space. So if the Cocoon called the Gigantic back to it then it would not produce a blast field either. Wrong, what do you think is inside the Cocoon? And as long as the CM's are in proximity they can work off each other. Not to mention the Gigantic is pretty small when it is deactivated so using your own argument it would take very little to pull it to the Cocoon. There was never a how, there is no manual to the Gigantic. All it's abilities are activated by the will and desire of the host. G3 simply had no access until he was given a chance to bond to the Gigantic to establish the link. Yes it does when it shows the light of the CM is what is linking the Unit to the Relic CM. And this was all done automatically so that is how the Creators designed it. I am on topic, the Gigantic is still the Relic. The back thrusters, the power amps, the shield, are all from the Relic. And the CM did the same thing inside the Relic Control Room. Simple fact is you are arguing without knowing all the facts and I am arguing with all the facts. It has nothing to do with who is superior. The simple fact is you are arguing without knowing all the facts first and assuming you're right versus someone who does know everything that has happened in the Manga. No wise guy his commands came after, nothing happened until the Relic CM's brought his CM within their command linking field (the same field you see G1 engulfed in when he was piloting the Relic). The CM keeps a record of all his thoughts, that's how the Guyver can regenerate completely and restore even the host mind down to the last memory. His last thought before his body disintegrated was for becoming stronger and protecting his friends. So when the Relic CM's interfaced with his CM they carried out that last command. But this was done while right by the Relic CM's and within the field of light they use to link with the piloting Guyver. Scanning doesn't translate into pin point accuracy automatically. And like I said before the scanners don't have unlimited range. Even Star Trek requires communicators, transponders, etc methods for piinpointing someone before they can transport them. And ship to ship transportation is done a lot closer than ship to planet. Never mind the Guyver would also have to know where the Relic is to command it properly anyway. Actually a Zoalord can control anybody, zoanoids are just easier because they are hardwired to obey. Balcus was using the Amplifier because he wanted to control the Libertus who are lost units, which basically means their brains are just like a humans. So he was amplifying his telepathy to the point he could control both humans and lost numbers as well as regular zoanoids. If the telepathy was as advance as you are trying to suggest then it would have. Remember Sho didn't have his brain ripped out instantly, he had time to scream. Never mind when Sho was facing the first Enzyme he was most definitely trying to call for G3's help but back then he didn't know he was Agito and despite communicating with him before he had no idea where he was even though Agito was nearby watching the battle. Or even the live action movie, the Relic was calling out to Sean but he didn't know where to look until he saw that news program with the cave drawings. And even when he got close he didn't get anything concrete until he went into the Relic and came face to face with the Relic CM. Really, the closest possible example of what you are talking about is when the Gigantic was first activated. Mizuki called for Sho's help and the Gigantic Cocoon came to her from halfway around the planet. But for that example it was obviously homing in on her and even then it flew part of the way. Similarly with Alkanphel, when Imakirum was defeated by GG3 he sensed it and came looking for him but he still had to split the ocean open to find Imakirum. It can't maintain it over distances. The light/energy from the CM needs to be able to reach the other CM's for any advance control. His CM was fully exposed and was right next to the Relic CM's. Ergo it was done at Zero range. I read it from the translated Manga, they are available you know. Oh, and you have no problems with Starships making evasive maneuvers? Size only matter if the ship doesn't have the power to move quickly but the Relic can move quickly, it's a space ship!!! The Gigantic's back thrusters are based on the same propulsion system the Relic uses. And that still doesn't change the fact the Relic has shields and just like the Gigantic it could hyper jump. Problem is that goes against your argument for saying he could just tell the Relic to beam him aboard. Never mind that if that was even possible don't you think he would have tried to do that to save Murikami. While linked to the Ship it was like an extension of his body. He was aware of all of it. His control was such that he even tried to use the hull of the Relic to kill Guyot but Guyot threatend Murikami so Sho backed off. And the shield was raised when the Relic smashed it's way through the mountain base so Sho was definitely aware of it. And both G1 and G3 had time to think, they saw the Mega Smashers being redirected and they weren't instantly vaporized. Yet nothing happened until the Relic CM's came to G1's CM. Hello, you're the one who hasn't read the whole series. You're the one trying to impose your opinion over all examples showing otherwise. So please refrain from stating nothing official when you don't have all the facts. Actually zoalords can communicate just fine with the Relic CM. That's how they got all their Creator based technology, they accessed the Relic CM for it. But yeah they need a CM to command the Relic. That is why it's called a CONTROL MEDAL. It's just too bad the CM's have to be in range of each other to establish a control link. Oh I'm on topic, I'm just trying to give you examples you might actually be familiar with since you haven't read the Manga. Still requires dematerialization and rematerialization. Only if you had no idea what a hyper space jump was. It's only paranormal if it's unexplained. And quantum teleporation is the duplication of an object at a different location with the original either still existing or destroyed. So doesn't fit that. And it fails the dematerializing and rematerializing part. Objects hyper jumped aren't turned into energy and back again. They simply move just like they normally would. So the correct interpretation would be that it appears to be teleported but is actually just traveling in a different manner from normal. Shows how much you know, entering warp means entering a layer of subspace. A ship in warp is no longer in normal space. This is why Phasers are pretty much useless at warp and they have to use torpedoes. The torpedoes themselves have their own warp coils. So sorry, again you are wrong. It should have been really obvious too since you can't travel faster than light through normal space. It's the part he's staring at Vamore's laser pods and thinking how he could counter them. It could have just lasered the Vamore, it's a low level zoanoids, the head beam could have taken it out easily. But instead it went for overkill. So no, it was definitely the host will/desire that caused that to happen. Sho wanted maximum destructive firepower and he got it. At no time during the entire series has the CM ever told Sho anything. Like when the head beam was first fired in the anime, Sho asked what had happened. He didn't know, he just instinctive used it. For the Guyver host it's just like getting super powers. You may not know you can jump 100 feet into the air but as soon as you try it works. The same with all the other weapons and abilities. A Guyver feels what they are capable of, the unit never just tells them. No, you are the one being dense by confusing will with knowing how something needs to be done. You can command a robot to do something but that doesn't mean you know how to do that something yourself, only how to give the command to do it. It never showed him, he just felt it and went through the motions. The CM is linked not only with his brain but also his nervous sytem. This is no different than how we walk. Our brain isn't controlling every aspect of the process of walking. The signals for walking actually come from nerve clusters in our spine. Our brain just tells our body where to go. It's the same things with the Guyver. The CM already knows what it is capable of. After all it was the CM that designed the Guyver. The host just has to guide it and make decisions for it. Remember the human brain doesn't have the built in ability to control weapon systems. So the only control the host can use is their will and imagination which does not require the host to know how everything works. It's like you pulling the trigger of a gun, you don't need to know how the gun works, just point and pull the trigger. There is a difference. And why would the CM need to call the Relic CM's if it could command it over a distance? Never mind the Relic CM's were what were doing all the work. Actually just you, Shenzon knows he doesn't know everything about the Manga which is why he asked the question. And McAvoy knows a lot more than you do but he hasn't read all of the Manga. Which is why I've been only really been arguing with you. While I have read the entire manga series up to the latest issue and have been debating every aspect of the series for over a decade. No, you can't. And there is a pattern to what has OFFICIALLY bean shown. Ignoring that and assuming something is possible is like saying something like... If a man can barely lift his own weight then you can assume he can lift twice his weight. When that makes no sense. No it shows I accept what is being shown and I'm not trying to dream up an outlandish scenario and argue for it to be possible just because I like that possibility. I follow things to their logical conclusion. I think through every possibility and compare every possible result with the pattern of evidense shown in the Manga. If they don't match up then I will flat out tell you that just like I have here. That's the problem, I'm not arguing for what I like. Have you read the Warrior Guyver Fan Fiction? I'm the one who makes the Data Files and I'm the one who gave Dreadnought all his abilities. So there is a big difference from what I like versus what is possible in the Manga. So it's not just my opinion, no matter how many times you say that it doesn't change the fact everything I have stated is either based on the official source or taken directly from it. And I have given you example after example, which should not only be considered individually but as a whole since together they show a pattern and thus tell us what is possible and what is not. Like even though you noted G1 was on top of the Relic when it was hit! But you did not note he was blasted into the Relic and that his CM was within the control sphere of the Relic CM's and his body had already been destroyed. So his CM was already exposed and in direct link with the Relic CM's. He wasn't controlling the Relic when he was standing on top of it. The Relic did nothing but float there until it was destroyed. And here's one more thing for you to consider, if the Relics could teleport then why didn't the Creators just teleport Guyver Zero into the sun or something similar? Back then the Relics were clearly at full power since they all pretty much left in a hurry after the Guyver Zero incident. And it wasn't like they didn't have other units to replace his with. Clearly the Creators would have known about it if their ships could do something like that don't you think? But instead they slap a unit remover on Alkanphel and send him in instead. So clearly there are limitations to what the Relics can do.

Gasp! The host didn't need to know how to do it only want it to happen. And Gasp, how the hell do you think G3 learned how to do it? Aside from your statement being not based on a single shred of evidense. When has any of the Guyvers communicated that far? Never! Well what do you know there is a range limit. And it is a lot more complicated than just asking the Relic. The Relic has to be able to know where you are first. The Telepathy ain't going to tell it that! Never mind the Relic wouldn't respond unless the Guyver first was on board to establish a link in the first place. G3 had no control over either the Relic or the Gigantic until Sho gave him control. And G3 still had to bond to the Gigantic to establish that link. The same we do, spectrum analysis. It's not magic you know. Hyper Sensors and such have all shown to have limited range. Even if the Relic had longer range scanners it still will have to be in line of sight and have pin point accuracy. Simple physics, it's a lot harder to create a hyper jump point far away from the device creating it than it is creating that point near the device. Yes it would because Relic's don't violate conservation of energy. So the further away an object is the more energy it takes to establish a portal over that distance. It takes far less energy for the Relic to create just an event horizon, go through, travel through hyper space and then create another event horizon to return to normal space at the destination. Fact is they are not really teleportation anymore than Star Trek Warp Drive is teleportation. It's just another method of moving by taking a short cut. It is still based off a Relic, in fact it was grown from the same Relic that became the Gigantic, and Creator technology (They Ark was designed by the Creators) and despite having the power of up to 12 Zoalords backing it it still can't be used to teleport anyone. No, it's hyper jumping. And the fact remains the Cocoon still has to come to the Gigantic. The Gigantic can't be taken to the Cocoon. No you didn't answer it. Let me be Clear, I SAID DEACTIVATE. NOT ACTIVATE!!! The Gigantic is going back to the cocoon but never has it ever been teleported to the Cocoon. The Cocoon had to come and get it. This compared to the normal Guyver unit which can send itself into hyper space all by itself. Clearly the Relic technology DID NOT give that ability to the Gigantic, it has to use the Cocoon. First off your the one trying to one up when all you got is a belief. There is nothing to back your theory. Second the loss of mass would not remove function, as you yourself suggested the function comes from the Relic CM's which the Gigantic still has. Third the Cocoon spends virtually all its time in Hyper Space where it has limitless energy to draw from. If it could teleport then it would have already but it hasn't. Then you entirely missed the fact that Agito saw Sho doing it so he clearly knew it was possible. Hello, telepathy!!! It has nothing with knowing how, Agito already knew how. He just didn't have access until it was given to him. Many things have stated this, you just choose to ignore them or don't know about them and just made assumptions. Fact is the CM wouldn't need to be extended unless it needed high bandwidth to establish a signal and second this also means that this signal goes through normal space, which means range limit!!! Even for the Gigantic the CM has to extend before the Gigantic can go on the Guyver. Then let's take the Arizona Relic for example. It may have been fossilized but the CM's where still functional. In fact that is where Chronos got most of the knowledge on how to Zoaform, etc from. And we've seen Relic CM's fly as the ones that Became the Gigantic floated to G1's CM and created a protective field around him even as they generated the Cocoon from the remains of the Relic. Yet Agito could not command the Arizona Relic CM's to do anything. And before you suggest they had no power, CM's have their own power. When G1 regenerated from nothing but the CM it was the CM providing the power for the regeneration. You're arguing with me and you haven't even read the whole Manga? Just for your information I've read the entire Manga and gone over every single translations and those made for the Guyver Visual Data File. But to Clarify Here's the exact chain of events... 1) Alkanphel redirected the three Smasher beams from G1 and G3 (G3 only fired one because he had lost one arm so couldn't rip open the other chest plate) and the blast hit them and smashed them into the Relic. 2) The Relic starts to disintegrate and G1 also starts to disintegrate until just his CM is left. 3) The Relic CM's float, turn away from each other and then back into each other as they merge into one 4) G1's CM is drawn to the Relic merged CM and a protective field is thrown up as the Relic CM's emit a light (same light they shined on G1 when he first linked up and started piloting the Relic) 5) Fragments of the Relic organism started to be drawn towards them and formed the Cocoon. G3 was also similarly cocooned. 6) G3 wakes up inside the protective cocoon, rips his way out and finds that his armor has mostly regenerated. He sees the Gigantic Cocoon but Chronos shows up and takes it. Since G1's CM was within the Control CM's light field, just like he was when he first piloted the Relic, means his CM was giving the Relic CM's commands. And the fact this happened before anyone was teleported also shows this. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT Tetsuro and the others were also sent to safety and it was a place that Sho had felt was safe, WHICH MEANS HE COMMANDED THE RELIC TO DO IT!!! Range varies depending on mass and speed. Just to get out of the main atmosphere you have to go over 50 miles up. But it would be even further if you need it to stay in a steady position. Never mind the complexity of opening a hyper jump point while traveling at high speed over a planet that is spinning just over 1000 mph and pin point a Guyver that may itself be moving up to 300 MPH. The Amplifier can boost a single Zoalord's telepathy to the power of ALL TWELVE COMBINED. Mind you the Guyver doesn't even have a Zoalord's level of telepathy and can't control any zoanoids. So would have even less range. For example, when G1 was facing his dad as Enzyme 2 G3 had no idea he was in danger until he felt his death cry. And he was only at most a few miles away. Here's the problem in your logic, the Relic is a living ship. The link is needed for control over the ship, allowing the Guyver to control the ship like an extension of their own body but without that link they only have the most basic of controls. Like opening a door or turning on the lights like level control. Nothing like the Control you would need to command the Relic to teleport someone. For that to happen the Relic has to be shown what to do. Sho described how he was controlling the Relic, he had to visualize what he wanted and then will it to happen. If all he has is voice telepathy communication then he can't command it to do anything complex. Like while he was on top of the Relic with G3, he never commanded the Relic to do anything like evassive maneuvers or just fly away or even raise shields, which the Relic had. So they just stood there and tried to take Alkanphel out with their mega smashers. You're missing the point, the Relic can't do anything complex unless it has a strong link to the Guyver. Even Zoalords have basic telepathic communication with a Relic. But they can't command it to do anything. So you need more than just telepathy, you need a command link to the Relic. Over a distance at best the Guyver might be able to command the Relic to come to him but that's it. If you want the Relic to jump through hoops and just up and teleport someone then there has to be someone in control of the Relic to give it the complex command needed. Hell, even Star Trek had it that someone had to be at the controls of the transporter. By definition REAL TELEPORTATION would be "A hypothetical method of transportation in which matter or information is dematerialized, usually instantaneously, at one point and recreated at another." Never mind the FACT that each method has its own method and limitations. If you are going to use hyper space to teleport then you bloody better think what the limitations would be before you start spouting what could be possible or not. To create a Hyper Space jump point requires a fairly massive amount of power, add the fact this power has to be properly focused and the impossibility of doing this over a long distance makes this discussion mute. To put it into perspective this would be like having a Star Trek Starship in orbit and have it use it's warp drive to send someone on the planet into warp while the ship is in orbit. The Unit has repeatedly shown it will respond to the host will and desires. The Gigantic was created from Sho's desire to be strong enough to take on Alkanphel. The Pressure Cannon was fired when Sho desired to strike hard from a distance. The host didn't have to be told how to use the Mega Smashers, only desire to fire a beam weapon of his own. The Gigantic turned into a 60 meter tall Giant version just by Sho willing it. No the unit works by the host will. No one told Sho how to rip open his chest plates and fire the Smashers. No one told Sho how to cup his hands and fire the Pressure Cannon. No one told Sho how to use the vibrational swords and G2 learned it on his own as well. No one told Sho how to use the Gravity Knuckles or the Gravity Ram. No one told Sho he could grow 60 meters tall with the Gigantic. No one told Sho he could turn the Relic into a Gigantic, he just desired the power. So thank you for your time but this idea remains strictly a fan fic idea as it would never happen in the Manga.

Warrior Guyvers are immune to normal unit removers but a Matrix can remove a Unit regardless of its adaptation. It's not really a matter of will power in any case. The reason G3 kept his unit was because the unit remover was not at full power when Guyot fired it that first time. The Unit remover works by erasing the host data from the CM, causing it to revert back to its dormant state.

That's the WG2 universe but yes it may be the only reality that could potentially still stop the OOA. Even if the Commander Class isn't common it won't take them long to upgrade their Warrior Kavzars and even the Warrior Enforcers when they have nearly unlimited number of Matrixes to apply to that task. And the Warrior Enforcers would be powerful enough to take on everything but the most powerful of the OOA. And with that many Matrixes the Creators of that reality could potentially make even more powerful beings. Or just grab Zagam, reprogram him, and turn him against Anubis while boosting his power through the other Matrixes to high enough power levels to threaten even Anubis.

Seriously guys, teleportation is nothing simple. And it has absolutely nothing to do with a learning curve. There's absolutely no way you can compare simple telepathic communications with the requirements of commanding the Relic to teleport someone. Aside from the power requirements hyper jumping requires pinpoint navigation that simply won't be possible for the Guyver to give the Relic over a long distance. It would be much easier for the Relic to bring itself to the Guyver. Never mind there is no such thing as teleporting in the actual Manga. They really only have hyper space jumps, worm hole like dimensional warps, or dimensional portals. And the only beings to have demonstrated these types are Alkanphel and the Gigantic Cocoon. Zoalords like Shin don't teleport over long distance they fly. The Ark also doesn't have that capability. All the Zoalords have either flown to it or used the shuttle pod craft. In fact the Gigantic has never teleported, only the Cocoon has hyper jumped and the only part of the Gigantic that regularly goes in and out of hyper space. And if it was possible for the Gigantic to bring the Guyver to it don't you think it would at least do that when the Gigantic is deactivated? Fact is whenever the Gigantic is deactivated the Cocoon comes to collect it. It never just comes off. Even when Agito ripped it from Sho it was shown going back into the Cocoon before disappearing. As for what is cannon, the Guyvers had no control over the Relic even after they were shown it until after they entered it and went to the Control Chamber. G3 was right there and never showed he could control it. Even the Gigantic remained under Sho's control until after he had passed it to Agito for the first time. The Relic requires the pilot to mentally link with it to pilot it. This can't be done over long range. And for your information Shenzon G1 was right on top of the Relic and he was blasted right back into it when Alkanphel redirected the Mega Smasher beams back at him and G3. But aside from the Fact G1 was technically inside the Relic at that point since we can clearly see Relic material all around them, you miss the FACT that the Relic Navigation CM's came to G1 and protected his CM before anything happened. No one was teleported before that happened. The Relic CM's were in direct contact with G1's CM when the command was given. Never mind the idea of G1 doing that if he was over 100 miles away as he would be if the Relic was in orbit and he was on the ground and that's assuming the Relic is directly overhead. Telepathy does have range limit in the Guyver series. Even Zoalords need amplifiers to control zoanoids over long distances and you guys want to believe the Guyver can remote control the Relic while it's over 100 miles away? I mean seriously guys this is simple. The Relic can't be controlled without a strong interface that even at close range requires the Guyver to fully expose their CM and we know telepathy in the Guyver universe is just as limited as radio. The further away they are the weaker the link. We know that much to be absolute fact! Given that there is no way for the Guyver to command the Relic over a long distance to hyper jump it. Like I said before the only way it could possibly work is if there is a Guyver already on the Relic who could command it to bring the other Guyver aboard. Also remember the hyper jump has it's limits too. Again this isn't real teleportation, the Gigantic had to physically move from point A to point B, it just used hyper space as a short cut. And you're basically arguing that the Relic can create a hyper jump point from where the Guyver is to where the Relic is. The Guyver host also doesn't need to know everything they can do. They just need it to be done for the Unit to respond. Sho had never seen or used the Gravity Ram attack for example yet right after getting the Gigantic back he used that attack. Sorry but you can't confuse what is possible in the Manga with what is possible in the fan fic. We bend a lot of rules in the fan fic.

Sorry but no, it is like I said. Contact yes but control no. I don't make that statement lightly. Every single example of interaction between the Guyver and a Relic has always been in proximity. The very fact the Guyver has to expose it's CM by fully extending it outward even when in proximity to the Relic is more than enough proof of this. The Guyver wouldn't have to do that unless it required a strong signal with high bandwidth to control the Relic. And G1 didn't gain control over the Relic until he had entered the control chamber and the Relic accepted him as the pilot. Even the Live Action Movie Dark Hero showed Sean fully extending his CM and he was right outside the Relic. This is not Star Trek we are talking about here. It takes a lot of power and control to hyper jump. So a Guyver won't be able to control a Relic from the surface of the planet if the Relic is in orbit.