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A)"burden of proof" means that someone suggesting a new theory or stating a claim must provide evidence to support it: So it is perfectly valid to point out to you that you are suggesting something that is not what is being shown and thus the burdern of proof is on you to prove your theory is correct and that the obvious direct interpretation is wrong. Sorry but you can't disallow it just because it sinks your argument and I have provided direct quotes, like "letting nature take its course" and examples throughout the Manga. You just chose to ignore them! So don't be disingenuis and actually consider all the evidence and not just defend your opinion by dismissing evidence that doesn't support your claim. B)I was part of a debates on the Asteroid size, there was nothing arrogant about my correcting a misassumption based on incomplete objective considerations, which is why I had access to the image used to argue for that size. And Pluto is no longer classed as a planet and is much smaller than Mars or Mercury. If you don't know how big these objects are then just say so and not just grab a random name and say compare it to that! What you didn't get is that we also compared the size to the moon, which is 3475 km wide. The asteroid is even bigger! The Earth is 7926 miles across. Mars is 6794 Km across, while Mercury is 4878 km and Pluto is 2390 km. If the circumferance comparison gives us a Mars size Asteroid, you don't go to less than half and say it's Pluto size when you compensate for depth perception. Never mind you tried to put words into my mouth that I simply did not say by willy nilly replacing what I did compare it to to something else. C)This doesn't mean they could create one from scratch without having developed one first! Really that's like saying a saveman could just whip up a modern car without going through all the intermediate time of technology development needed before they knew how to create a car. Sorry, but you forgot the Creators had Billion of years to create a very large data base on different life forms and the zoaforming process allows them to mix and match all they want for different combinations and properties. Never mind it clearly says they processed that T-Rex just like they do zoanoids. And no, I'm not just assuming, I'm logically concluding from common sense what they meant since they also combined the comment with the visual aid of the biologica time line. What you apparently didn't get from the Meteor Mass extinction was the fact the Creators were altering evolution through the environment and not direct genetic manipulation. If they were taking a direct hand in the evolution and not simply guiding it then they could have simply caused the dinosaurs to die off naturally, but instead they smashed a big freaking rock into the planet, causing massive devastation, and thus instead made it impossible for the dinosaurs to survive. The problem is this completely blows your theory out of water because manipulating evolution through environmental changes takes time, especially on a planetary scale. Even if they could rapidly alter the weather, life itself would have taken eons to evolve through that system. You are also failing to realize the Creators did not start out knowing what they wanted to create, they let nature create it for them. They just controled the conditions so what came out was close to what they wanted. So they would have gone through many variable before they got even anywhere near a human being. Again, all of that would have taken time and could not be accelerated. The point of the story is also that despite the tampering the People of that Earth could still believe the same things of their history as we do, so we could put ourselves in their shoes and imagine what it would be like, which is part of Takaya's story telling process. D)Hello, the ship is a Relic with knowledge from the Creators, we also have the memory of Archanfel when the Creators told him they were going to build those ships!!! E)Try understanding what was said, they said the dinosaurs would have problems with the atmosphere sustaining them. Now what is in atmosphere that sustains us? Oh, right oxygen. Again another example of Takaya refering to actual history since the oxygen levels of the planet were higher back in the time of the dinosaurs. F)Because they didn't know what they wanted to create, they had to go through the process of evolution before something turned out they could use. Remember they clearly said they were developing dinosaur for weapons but ultimately decided they weren't adaptable enough and too dumb. Things they couldn't know without thoroughly testing them out, never mind leaving their remains all over the planet to show how wide spread that branch of the project had been. G)What is lost is the fact that Takaya created the Guyver world around our world, it's the whole point to the story that we could believe this could happen with just a reasonable suspension of belief. It's why the story is so engrossing and interests so many different people. And Takaya never changed the geological time frame, and consistently showed the Creators arriving back when the conditions of life were just about to begin. Never mind 3.3 Billion years is still an extremely long period of time, you're only shaving 700 million years off 4 Billion. H)It's not just because the technology is already laid out for them, it's because they have the room, resources, and the need for those advancements. Unlike more developed nations they aren't burdened by all that came before. They don't have to replace old tech if nothing is there to replace, everything can be new. But as these nations develop they become burdened just like the already developed nations and their advancement will slow down in the future. Again it breaks down to conservation of energy, it's a lot easier to keep something old going than to constantly replace it with something new. Other examples, the Katrina disaster could have been a lot less if they had just updated the system used to control flooding. They had known about the problem for over 40 years but did nothing until disaster hit. In comparison to the Creators, they would be like the developed nations, they can still make advancements but because of their sheer size, galaxy spanning empire, and age it would be harder for them to empliment changes. Take something like Aerol Gel, a super light and super insulating material invented back in 1931 and only now is finding applications. Such materials have been used in Europe for decades now but the US is only now starting to use it. I)You also probably never seen a UFO, big foot, Lock Ness, sub atomic particles, another planet outside our solar system, etc. The point being the story is just close enough to be believable with a slight suspension of belief. Just like People can believe in UFO's, etc. which is what I meant by suspension of belief. J)The Guyver universe follows ours, never mind the Creators didn't create the planet, only manipulated life on it. I'm not assuming when the planet was ready to sustain life, it is a known factor that scientists agree on. So we know that the Creators couldn't have started to nearly 4 Billion years ago. The only thing Takaya changed was what caused life to evolve and what influenced its evolution. K)Again, if it took them nearly 4 Billion years to create humans then they obviously weren't in any life or death situations. You are only assuming they were at war because they were developing weapons. But no matter how you look at it they took their sweet time to do it and that shows slow progress. L)No, they had access to Creator knowledge. Like I said, like a cheat sheet, which is completely different from having to invent and create the technology from scratch. They also had scientist on staff that were just human and short lived like the rest of us. M)I never said they didn't have any progress, just that it would be slow. The fact is they took an extremely long time and were not rushing to get humans to the front lines. Even after creating Archanfel they only planned on taking everyone to another planet for the next phase of experiments. This is no different than us developing new weapons even if we never use them. They didn't need to be at war to want to develop weapons! And we don't just see the Creators in one time period, we see them in two, when they arrived and when they created humans, giving us a time frame of how long they had been here. We aren't shown them either leaving or arriving in between so there is nothing to suggest the Creators that landed are any different from the Creators that left. And again, I NEVER SAID THEY WERE ALWAYS LONG LIVED. You are totally misinterpreting things when you say things like that. Of course they evolved rapidly, it doesn't change what they were when they landed. Did you not read my Ape to Human comparison? Do you not understand we are now different? That you can't use how we are now and assume we were always as we are now! They didn't always have the technology they had when they arrived on Earth, but what they are now and what they have done shows there present progress is slow. Of course things could have changed since then but from what we know it wouldn't seem likely. So sorry but your argument doesn't work and though some of the things you have supposed are possible, it doesn't fit with what we are shown.

Again, fossilation takes time. Millions of years of time, which means the Creators changes paths and went with mammals to create humans which at the minimum means the dinosaurs were killed off millions of years before Archanfel was created. And Archanfel did not fight a dinosaur, Guyver Zero did and it wasn't a normal T-Rex but one that had been zoaformed and thus was as powerful as an entire squad of normal zoanoids. Never mind when they mention altering the environment they show things like Mass extinction size Meteorites smashing into the planet. Again, no matter what else the Creators did it would take millions of years for the planet itself to recover from such events. You are also blatantly ignoring the fact they also said they let nature take its course! Nowhere did they ever say that they accelerated the process. Quote: 1) So it's a pluto sized astroid. I mean, you totally kicked my ass with that mathematical equation you made there, I'm just picking hairs on this one. Quit it with the misquoting already. I said Mercury size, Pluto is not even classified as a planet anymore. I didn't show you the math I used to calculate the actual size of the Asteroid, I only pointed out the revelant factors and the approximates you would need to consider to get the right figure. Quote: No, this is an assumption. They're living ships, so chances are the outside is going to remaint he same, but the insides could have changed drastically. Sorry, but the burden of proof is on your side of that argument. The fact is there is nothing to indicate any change. For one thing a living ship, is a ship so the things that would be changed would be its exterior since that is what is used to allow it to function as a ship. For another we have a diagram of the Relic's interior and there is nothing to indicate the Creators had been tweaking it in any way. And for a third a living ship means all its systems are integrated just like a body and so any significant change would be apparent throughout its structure. Yes, the Creators talked about manipulating the environment. The only thing is the modifications they speak of include things like dropping asteroids on it every now and then to change the course of evolution. Which only means they triggered the changes, not that they speeded it up. Point of fact they used evolution to evolve life on the planet, evolution is not an instantaneous process. At minimum they needed to wait for many generations to pass for any change to occur. Yes, they increased the size of dinosaurs to make them more savage for their needs. But they also increased the oxygen ratio of the planet and that takes time to do. \ Note they told Archanfel that the planet no longer had the level of oxygen needed for the T-Rex, but they had zoaformed the T-Rex so it was a T-Rex in appearance only. Correction, on your point abou Archanfel and the dinosaur, they cloned and zoaformed a T-Rex to fight Guyver Zero and Archanfel only witnessed the fight and didn't take part in it. Archanfel did not fight the dinosaur, only Guyver Zero. This however, only proves they could clone something up from the DNA they had already developed and had in their data banks. Fact remains they specifically let nature take its course to evolve humans. It can be debated what the Creators actually said, the Advocacy translations aren't always right... But regardless they never said how long ago they came to Earth! Never mind other sources definitely say Eons! But there are examples, like when they told him they use to call the planet Gaia, and that was in fact it's "ancient" name! A clear indication they arrived long ago since they also show an image of them approaching the planet in the same page. The very next panel on the next page shows them landing on a volcanic Earth, which means they landed before the planet had completely cooled and thus before life had stated. Placing their arrival at about 4 billion years ago in geological time. And only then are we shown the linear time line image of life evolving on this planet, with the pre-man up front indicating the progression leading ultimately to humans. Nowhere is it indicated that they rushed the process and the image of the Relics landing on a pre-life Earth, along with examples like dinosaur fossils, all clearly indicate that literally Eons of time has passed since the Creators arrived on the planet. No one disagrees that the Creators manipulated life on Earth, it's the whole reason they have claim to having created the many life forms on the planet. But it's a very different thing to say they directly manipulated and accelerated things when the whole point of an evolutionary experiment is to let evolution take place. It's not evolution if they engineer what develops! There is also the image of a Guyver Zoalord that was used in book4 when Murikami was telling everyone the history of the world according to Chronos.We also have the memories of the Relic in book 7 when G1 linked up with the Relic, which also shows the Creators landing in a primordial Earth and starting to evolve life from the very beginning, and it also showed the evolutionary eras in linear order which again emphasises that the Creators had been evolving life on the Earth for an extremely long period of time. True, it is only mentioned when Guyot is explaining the Guyver history and says "After Eons of trial and error" the Creators created humans. The intro just showed a primordial Earth and says that led to the Guyver, a more summarized version but still emphasises the same thing. Doesn't matter, it is a comic book based on an alternated interpretation of our own world. Takaya only ever suggested that what we saw as random events was actually aliens tampering with our evolution.It isn't suggested that they accelerated the process from what we know of history. It's just an alternate time line but it takes place over the same time period since it is based on our real history. It wouldn't be able to give us a reasonable suspension of belief otherwise. Whatever your arguments you can't get around the fact life on this planet started about 4 Billion Years ago and the Creators are shown landing at that time. So it doesn't matter if they accelerated evolution. I could also easily counter that it simply means it would have taken even longer for humans to have evolved naturally. It doesn't mean we change the time line from established time scale. You're also forgetting the Creators were constantly experimenting, even if they accelerated evolution it still takes time to test out every evolutionary design and the near infinite number of ways they could alter evolution. The mass extinction of the dinosaurs for example, they specifically said it made room for mammals to evolve. Nowhere did it say, "oh lets forget the dinos and lets make humans"! And letting nature take its course does not mean they micomanaged every second of the evolutionary process but rather the opposite. Never mind they also had to maintain an ecosystem for each evolutionary era as otherwise there would be no way for life to survive and evolve without the Resources to do so. There is also the perception of time factor a long lived species would be effected by that you seem to completely have ignored as a factor. To put it very clearly, to a species that can live virtually forever an experiment that takes millions of years to complete is but a blink of an eye to the time scale considerations of such long lived beings. You're treating 10's of thousand of years from a perspective of how we would view such a period of time. But to a virtually immortal race it might as well have been a single second of time. Basically the point you are missing is they can be extremely patient and have no reason not to take all the time needed to get a job/experiment done. Nope, developing nations are changing at a far greater pace than already developed nations. Just look at the development over time of each country around the world and the pattern becomes clear.Like the example of NYC transit still using technology from the early 1900's. Developing nations can grow and advance much more easily, while developed nations start to slow down and get bogged down with older tech that for one reason or another hasn't gotten replaced. For example, the US may be leading the world in computer technology but we aren't the leaders of cellphone technology development. And a lot of our rapid development came about simply because we have more Resources and more People working on problems together than before. But there will come a point where this rapid development will slow down again. And again none of this avoid the issue that we invent things because we need things, we have problems that need solving, etc. While the Creators have virtually everything they could ever want already and as a long lived species, they wouldn't have our level of urgency in getting things done. Sorry but humans are what we got to make comparisons to and the fact is the idea of the Creators was created by a HUMAN!!!Regardless of intent or interpretation we invariably embue our fictional creations with at least some aspects of ourselves. Never mind just like physics and mathematics there are things that are frankly universal and would be true of any intelligent species. Like my reference to conservation of energy, this applies to social structures and technological rate of development of a given society. What your studies of technology development may not have gotten across to you is that we do have theories in place for the different possible alien cultures that may be out there and scenarios like extremely long life spans have been considered for both ourselves and possible alien cultures. And it is these theories that I'm basing my opinion on along with what I can logically draw from what is shown in the Manga. Accept this point actually goes against your argument that the Creators would have greatly advanced. Conceeding that Chronos may have a very difficult time to catch up to the Creators, and they got Creator tech to help them along like a cheat sheet, but yet you expect the Creators to advance even further than them.Not to mention the additional burden of creating new tech would be greater for them since they are already advance. Just like we know Moore's law for computer advancement will not hold true forever, we can only make electronics so small and no smaller. The Creators would have similar barriers in their way. You also claim we don't forget technology, Really, then tell me, how many modern People know how to survive in the wilderness? Or know how to forge damascus steel? Sorry but we do forget technology, especially if we don't see an immediate every day use for it. And losing technology is the same as forgetting it for humans as a race. The Creators for example gave up all the technology they had developed on Earth when they left and tried to destroy the Earth. They didn't even take Archanfel with them as so much as a consolation prize to recoupe their losses. True, but the fact is I don't need to know they came to be. The only thing revelant is how long it took them to make any advancement while they were on Earth to predict what could have happened in the intervening time.Frankly the evidense overwhelmingly suggest they took an incredible amount of time to make any significant advances and still they were more or less exactly the same as when the first came to the Earth to experiment. Not really, just that they are a long lived species that made advances over millions of years compared to our scale of just decades.To be clear, I'm not assuming they are 8 Billion years old, only that they are older than 4. It all depends how long ago they discovered the Guyver organism and started using the units. Up till then they could have been very short lived, as that would explain their high level of technology. Maybe someday Chronos will catch up with the Creators, but it's just going to take some time. But like the Creators Chronos has time. Remember Barcus is over 400 hundred years old, Shin is about 30 years younger, and Prug'stall was over 215. Yet despite having the power of Zoalords' they waited centuries before actually taking over the world. In no small part this was due to the simple fact that as zoalords they don't have to worry about time. So they could afford to wait and develop the Resources to make the take over easier and more efficient. Problems... 1) We're assuming they were at war, yet they took nearly 4 billion years to develop weapons for that war? Unlikely, more likely is they were just the Creator equivalent of weapon manufacturers making weapons to be used later. 2) We have the near 4 billion year period to compare and see if the Creators altered their technology in any significant way but no such indications are apparent. 3) We know the Creators were here since the beginning, and nowhere does it say they ever left or changed personnel, leaving us with the only remaining logical conclusion that they simply extremely long lived beings.. As to what breakthroughs they could have made during their time on Earth? Again, can you provide any examples? No, then logically we can't assume they made any significant advances to their technology other than developing their human bio-weapons. And on your point about how could the Creators have evolved? I never said they started out as extremely long lived beings! Obviously they evolved and became the beings they are, but that has nothing to do with what they are NOW!!! We started out as Apes, or something very much like apes, but that doesn't change the fact we are NOW human beings for example. My argument is simply that based on what we know it is unlikely that 10's of thousands of years is necessarily enough for them to have made significant advances. Of course this doesn't exclude some advances, it's just not likely that their super tech has become super super tech is all.

Okay, short reply... 1) That's a comma, not a dot. So 1,879.5 km for the flat estimate. And the Relics are shown both when they came to Earth and when they left and they are exactly the same. Ergo no assumption!!! 2) Read books 14 and 15, they show things like fossilized dinosaur (that process does take millions of years you know), and states things like they wiped out the dinosaurs with a meteor (something the planet would most definitely take millions of years to fully recover from). Among other nice points that completely blow your arguments out of the water. 3) Fact is Barcus stated Archanfel can command even humans and lost numbers, Aptom is an exception because he has no telepathy whatsoever. The only way for the other Zoalords to match this is with the psychowave amplifier which amps them 12 fold. Next we know the Creators gave Archanfel mental powers like they possess and that they admitted to him that he was on the edge of their control tolerance (it's right there in the translation in book 15 as the Creators are leaving). But the reason they can still control him is because he is still a zoaform, so is genetically bound to obey them. Never mind even with equal mental power there was still many of them and just one of him. 4) The exact text says the Creators came to Earth long ago, and even call Earth Gaia and say that was its original name. And ever since then they had been guiding the development of life on this world, which was when they showed the picture showing the linear chronology of life forms from single cell to man. But you seem to want something that blatantly says they came during the primordial ooze period, so give the intro narration of the original OAV a listen. It pretty much just comes out and says it! 5) I'm not assuming how a long lived species will behave, I'm logically pointing out the consequences of being a long lived species. It is something many People have been thinking on for a long time. We also have history and patterns of nature to back up those conclusion. From our own history we can draw many factors to support the premise. Like the fact over time we have practically doubled our lifespans. Life was once a lot shorter than it is now, Romeo and Juliette for example (just a few centuries ago) were only 14 and already thought themselves almost too old to marry. There are still parts of the world that would consider a 35 year old a grandparent. Even our modern world proves it every single day. People in developed nations live longer, but those nations develop at a slower pace than less developed nations. Even with countries of equal technology, a smaller nation like Japan can more rapidly change than a big country like the US. For example, the NYC subway still uses technology from the early 1900's, while in Japan they have Maglev and Bullet trains. Japan has the next gen in cellular technology, the US is just catching up. Third world nations have a much greater population growth than first world nations. On and on, example after example. The fact is the more secure and long lived we get the slower we advance. It's simply conservation of energy, which applies to cultures as well as to physics. We don't need to know how smart the Creators are, just what factors are influencing their society. 6) Chronos may never catch up to the Creators, as is most of their technology is jury rigged Creator tech. The Ark itself was something the Creators had planned to build and they just followed the plans and used the remains of a Relic for raw material. 7) Human technology has been growing in bursts off and on throughout history. Many of our so called modern advancement isn't really modern, just rediscovered. Roman's had indoor plumbing, running water, indoor heating sytems, Saunas, swimming pools, ice cream, valves, pleasure ships equivalent to our cruise ships, concrete, roads, etc. Egyptians and Roman's had access to brain surgery, knee replacement surgery, birth control, disease control methods similar to modern hospitals. Even the tools used would be recognizable to modern doctors. It's really shocking how much we had known and forgotten... But the changes you point to contradict your argument, we advanced because of change. Not from simply being smart!!! A species that does not change does not advance. Pure and simple FACT!!! I pointed to roaches to contradict your fly reference, they do in fact adapt and evolve but they don't follow our path. Which is why you can't use them to dismiss the fact evolution plays a role in intelligence. It's the same as an animal evolving to run faster, stronger, etc. Our brains are the result of our evolution, plain and simple. Every characteristic of our intelligence played a role in our survivability. Which is why we share so many traits with our simian cousins. Chimps for example do occassional gather into groups and go out to find other groups and if smaller will attack and kill them. So war is something in our evolutionary tree. We also share 98% of our DNA with chimps, so only 2% makes us human versus a chimp. Intelligence is also specialized, we for example don't have instant photographic memory. A chimp however can take a fraction of a second and memorize a complex sequence of numbers and follow the pattern exactly every single time. Flash the same numbers in front of a human and we barely get 1/3 on average correct. Yet we are clearly the more intelligent species, because we traded instant memory for other mental traits that better suite our needs for survival. Also nothing prevents us from de-evolving as well. Just like a muscle non-use would cause our brain to become less advance over time. As living beings the Creators would not be immune to such factors. And the fact remains that everything we know about the Creators suggest they are already at a technological epoch and would not be prone to rapid advancement.

I vote durendal :wink: Call me biased Yes, sorry Ryuki, this should be my last substantial reply. Sorry, that's on purpose since some on the board have problems reading text unless it is spaced. I got into the habit of doing that for their benefit. Now for the corrections, I didn't argue that the time line was exactly the same I argued that the time line is similar. There is a difference you know... and I clearly said he also took liberties with the time line. I only pointed out that many of his references were from actual history, he just changed details, and at least geographically he could be said to be accurate. I emphasized the point that it was just close enough for a reasonable suspension of belief. What is consistent is that life started on Earth about 4 Billion years ago, Takaya had the Creators come to the Earth back when life was just about to begin. Takaya used mass extinctions to show the Creators cultivating life so it evolved the way they wanted it to, a process that takes time for life to both evolve and for the planet to recover from the damage each time. This alone would account for millions of years, Takaya also included ice ages and we know they take place over millions of years. Takaya clearly showed life forms from every evolutionary era, showing a correlation with known history. Again providing us an alternate history close enough to our own for a reasonable suspension of belief, which is I believe was his intent. Of course he changed things, there isn't any evidence of alien activity in our real history after all but clearly Takaya based his story in and around known history. Add the hidden meaning behind the Creators wanting to create a perfect bio-weapon is that to do so you basically have to start from scratch and on a planetary scale nothing is better than when life hasn't quite started yet to avoid contamination from evolutionary patterns you don't want in your design. Sorry, but when I argue points I tend to be accumulative and list many points that all add together. As to what Barcus stated, he really only stated Archanfel had been sleeping for 10's of thousand of years before he showed up, he never stated that this sleep period goes back to the time of the Creators, nor whether that was his only sleeping period. We know for example that since Archanfel woke up and met Barcus 400 years ago that his periods of hybernation has progressively gotten longer. To the point that when we enter the Story he had already been hybernating for years. A period long enough for Guyot to not only be made a Zoalord but to also have never met Archanfel before he confronted him at Relic's Point. So more than likely Archanfel had simply been time skipping, sleeping through human development, until humans reached a point that could be useful to him. So we can't draw a accurate time line from that alone but practically everything else indicates that the time line basically follows our own with just some key changes. Sorry this isn't a flaw in my logic, the problem is you are assuming many things that don't really follow what we know about technological advancement...1) Unless the war is still going on there would be no further stimulus and 2) It took Billions of years before they created humans, so their technological development was hardly going at a rapid pace to begin with... 3) My argument is not based on just the fact the Creators have everything they need, it is only one factor of many that I pointed out. My argument is based on what happens with an extemely long lived race. The problem with long lived species is long life means there is less motivation for development, there is less to no pressure to change the status quo, there is no sense of urgency and thus they can easily take millennias on a single small experiment and consider it the same way we consider a one minute experiment. There perception of time would be completely different from ours. . . Few to no population increase means little to no new minds to look at problems from different perspectives, even geniuses need inspiration. There is also the possibility the Creators are a uni or hive minded race, in which case there would be little diversity in thought. All together means there is a good chance the Creators have made little to no advancements since they left, assuming they are even still alive if they were at war. Two problems, one the Creators had the technology to manipulate life and travel anywhere in the universe they wanted.Meaning they could adapt all they wanted to and had virtually limitless resources... and Two the Creators had the Guyver Units, which to them granted them 1/10th the power it does a human host. Meaning they were as powerful as a typical zoanoid physically and we know only Archanfel was their mental equal. Even humans had to obey the Creators like zoanoids obey Zoalords, and presumably their mental powers extended beyond just telepathy just like Archanfel. Additionally, the ability to tap the boost dimension meant they had limitless energy resources. They could even take celestial objects, of at least small planetary masses and use them to smash other planets. So on the contrary, the reason they were creating a warrior race is the same reason for slavery. They wanted something else to do the dirty work for them. Only the hypers and Zoalord's would have exceeded the physical power of a Creator but they were never intended to be numerous. The reason Archanfel only created 12 Zoalords is because that was the original plan by the Creators. The Ark itself was the battleship they had planned to build. Sorry but that is erroneous on two factors. 1) A species can't develop unless it evolves. So the faster the evolution the faster the development and the faster the progress. Two major human developments, like the switch to agriculture From the previous hunter gathering, correspond to the introduction of genes that effect the brain and altered the way we think. 2) We are talking about species who evolved intelligence, species that found other ways to survive don't need to evolve intelligence. You're confusing adapting with progress! There were in fact other species that developed intelligence on this planet, it just so happens we beat them out and they became extinct while we thrived. Mostly because we were better at competing for Resources than they were, but it could easily have gone another way and one of those other branches of evolution could have become the dominant one. We evolved the intelligence to survive. Most other species found other ways to adapt and survive and not all species have aposeable thumbs, which is a prerequisit for tool use. So let's be realistic about that now shall we? All these comparison to other animals just shows life can choose many ways to survive, intelligence is just one of many tools in the evolutionary kit for species survival. Predator species for example are almost always smarter than the prey species they hunt. Not so much because Predators are naturally smarter but they need to be in order to outsmart and eat their prey. Again need is the mother of invention, and this includes mother nature. All species in the world evolved according to both the environment and the requirements of their survival. There is also the fact there are other forms of intelligence, for example chimps can memorize sequential numbers sequences in a fraction of a second while human's find that practically impossible. But unless you want to ignore human history, everything I pointed out about the factors involved for technological development are in fact true because they effected us. So regardless of opinion human history has shown these factors to be what effects technological development over time. It's irrevelant how smart they are as to whether or not they have evolved much since they left the Earth. As I stated before even geniuses need motivation and intelligence only counts if you use it.The Creators are most likely smarter than humans, their technology is still far more advance than anything we have yet developed, but that doesn't mean they would develop at an accelerated rate from us. For example, for the Billions of Years the Creators had spent on Earth they never changed the Relics! In our own history technology did not always come from the smart People but by average People who either just had inspiration or got lucky. Point being that being smart doesn't mean you will develop the next big advancement in technology. Sure it helps, but human history clearly shows that the greatest discoveries and advancements came literally out of nowhere. Both plastic and insulin were discovered by accident for example! Just recently a man dying from cancer got inspired to find a way to treat cancer without the side effects after seeing kids suffering from chemo-therapy. The thing is the guy had absolutely no medical background and was in fact an old fashion radio technician who just took his knowledge of radio waves and made a machine that kills cancer cells without effecting any surrounding tissue. It's still in testing phases but so far it works and shows how such technology can come from the most unlikely of places and again shows that need is the true mother of invention. But the Creators, being a long lived species probably never worry about such things as diseases or growing old. Never mind just exploring space could take eons before they find anything significant to research. Not to mention you are forgetting the Creators don't have human agressive tendency, it does make us violent but it also motivates us to invent and to compete. Possibly but not necessarily.What we know for sure is that the Creators were on Earth for Billion of years, unless they had a colony or cycled personnel, possible but unlikely, then we must conclude they are extremely long lived. Aside from guiding evolution they didn't directly genetic engineer anything until they decided upon humans being their chosen race. So they took Billions of years just to get to human's! Despite the fact they could instantly zoaform humans into any form they wished. Consequently, this does not lend itself to the idea that they would rapidly evolve technology in the relatively short period of time they have been gone. Whether you believe the 20 million years or something shorter it is still a fraction of the time it took them to evolve humans. Sorry but your reaction is not logical and ignores the evidence. Yes it is an imagined image but nevertheless it is what we have to go on to determine the actual size of the asteroid. First, the view is in fact not from the perspective of either the Earth or the Asteroid so it is indeed a third person perspective that we are shown of the two smashing into each other. Second, the Mars size estimate came from just comparing the circumference of both to each other but that does not take into account the fact they are spherical objects, with the Asteroid being closer to our point of view than the Earth. It really is a simple matter to use the Earth for scale and then adjust for depth perception distortion. The impact crater clearly shows that it is at an angle and not head on from our our perspective. So just take the radius of the Earth and add the radius of the Asteroid, can probably take away half for penetration depth, to get an approximate of how far the two circumference references are from each other. This reduces the estimate of the asteroid from a Mars size Asteroid to a a bit smaller Mercury size Asteroid. Regardless it is still a planetary size asteroid, Mercury is a planet after all (just smaller than Mars), and far bigger than a moon. It's only Mars size if you assume the two objects are on the same axis from our perspective, but they aren't and thus my correction on the size estimate.

Nope, it's pretty much officially understood the Creators were on Earth for Billions of years. Aside from the whole primordial ooze reference and that the planet's unique chemical properties are what attracted the Creators to Earth we have the reference to every evolutionary era being stated as influenced by the Creators. Remember they kept using the term "Eons" to describe how long they have been here and the story is meant to blend in with our world for at least a moderate suspension of belief. Takaya didn't totally ignore the actual time line, even though he did take liberties with the details. If you research the many references made in the Manga many things do correlate quite well with the real world. Especially the city battles, Ryuki did a comparison of Manga scenes and real life city images and found they matched up really well for example. Many of the names are historical references, the geography at least is dead on, etc. So Takaya did do his homework. Besides the Creators relied on evolution to develop life on this planet into forms they wanted and evolution is not an instantaneous process. Even using asteroids to create a mass extinction to reset the evolutionary cycle would take millions of years for life to recover and get to an advance stage again as both life and the environment recovered. Never mind things like ice ages, not to be confused with glacial periods, alone can last millions of years. Besides, even if Archanfel literally slept for 10's of thousand of years doesn't mean he hadn't woken up many times between the time of the Creators and when Barcus found him. After all someone built that temple for him on Silha island around the damaged Relic he slept in and 10's of thousand of years ago predates all historically known cultures that could have had the technology to create that temple. Meaning humans in the Manga have a much longer historical background. Incidentally Takaya can get away with this since we have yet to discover a missing link and there are evidence indicating our race may be older than previously thought. Again, this means he has room to stretch things. Besides which it never really said in the Manga that the Creators created modern humans exactly as we are now. Sorry, but the rate of technological change does correlate with average lifespan of a society. Not so much the short term but most definitely in the long term. Simply put evolution and technological development progresses at a rate of change. If there is no change then there can be little progress. We don't say things like "Necessity is the mother of invention" for nothing you know. But a race of virtual immortals would have very little needs and thus little to no motivation for creativity. This has been borne out throughout human history. Empires have risen and fallen exactly because of stagnation. As for your correlation to bugs, the reason bugs like roaches are so hard to kill is exactly because of their short lifespans allow them to rapidly adapt. Long lived species adapt at a slower rate, for example they have less need for children since the population remains steady for long periods of time and thus no need to replace anyone. Stable societies are less likely to produce rogues or random thinkers that look at things from different perspectives. Ergo no fresh thinkers, and lets not forget the if it ain't broke then don't fix it mentality. Frankly put technologically advance species do not necessarily continue to advance at a rapid pace. Especially if they have everything they already need. We ourselves for example have forgotten about as much technology as we have learned. Ancient Egyptians and Romans for example performed knee surgery and even put in replacement joint implants that bonded to the bone (according to recent findings), not to mention brain surgery like relieving pressure on the brain by cutting a hole in the skull, etc but that knowledge was lost and it took centuries to rediscover it. Such examples can be seen throughout human history. Even a long lived species can forget things after all. And the Creators gave up all their research when they left Earth. There is also the tendency to over rely on technology, we ourselves are starting to suffer from this. Just look at People from other countries that still use old methods of teaching, like using the Abacus instead of calculators. Kids from such countries can do advance math in their head while the rest of us struggle keeping our lives in order. So a super advance race would be virtually handicapped by their technology unless Why, because you never bothered checking the size to depth ratio? The Asteroid isn't being shown hitting the Earth head on, it is shown hitting at an angle and both objects are thousands of miles wide. You don't think that effects size perception? It only appears Mars size if you look at them as 2 dimensional flat objects, and just compare the circumference of both, but they aren't!. Taking the depth of both objects into account gives a depth distortion of over a thousand miles, and the Asteroid is closer to our point of view than the Earth.

Just a few clarification, the Creators were on Earth for Billions of years! They came here back in the primordial ooze period, which means around 4 billion years ago and spent billions of years before they got to humans!!! Every mass extinction was explained in the Manga as the Creators deciding they weren't getting anywhere and reseting the evolutionary ladder. The last 20,000 years is a drop in the bucket in the time line they spent on Earth, just to keep things in perspective. If the same Creators were part of the experiment since the beginning then that means they are extremely long lived and long lived beings do not progress rapidly. The Asteroid the Creators tried to smash the Earth with was really about Mercury size, not Mars size. Though that's still pretty massive and would pulverized the planet, making sure no life of any kind would have survived. The Mars estimate came from a straight comparison of the Asteroid with the Earth but that doesn't take into account depth of field that two spherical shaped objects would have, since the Asteroid wasn't being shown smashing into the planet straight on but rather at an angle almost above the Earth in our point of view. Taking that into account reduce the calculable size of the Asteroid to something the size of Mercury. As for making super smart people, it took the Creators Eons to create humans as is. Creating something smarter would not be easy for even the Creators. Archanfel can be seen as the epoc of human development to the limits of Creator technology. Though this also shows Chronos has a long way before they can even match the Creator's level of technology, since none of the 12 Zoalords can match Archanfel. That said, there are many possible explainations for Apollyon... 1) Could be a rogue faction of the Creators, who don't want to alert the other Creators to what they are doing and so sent a single agent to Earth. 2) Could be Agito, transformed by absorbing the full knowledge of the Creators contained in the Navigation Spheres. Possibly granting him Creator mental powers. The name would fit his personality. 3) It could be Imakarum, if Imakarum has developed a split personality. Possible considering his original personality is so different from his present one. The old Murikami personality could be coming out as Apollyon whenever Imakarum goes to sleep or something to that effect. 4) It could be another rogue Zoalord, unlikely to be Guyot but could be one of the remaining Zoalords. 5) It could be a new Zoalord, though unlikely as they would need a true Zoa-Crystal to make one anywhere near powerful enough to take on one of the 12. 6) It could be an agent of the enemy of the Creators, here to both examine the Creator technology and destroy what would be seen as a secret weapons cache. 7) It could be a Creator, left behind during the exodus. Possibly from one of the damaged Relics and presumed dead. 8) It could be something Created by either ZT or Barcus, though doubtful since it is basically calling itself the destroyer. Then there's the really out there possibilities but that should give the general run down.

Character's can be classes and/or races too. Writing a summary data file isn't really much different from writing an essay on a book you read. Most of everything is just fine details, but every single detail isn't needed to explain what the Dreadnought's are and what they can do. My data files for the WG fan fic for example are fairly extensive for a fan fic but summarize tons of information that if I explained every single detail would easily equal or exceed your own page count. Though I wouldn't mind reading through your present full detail tech manual. Hmm, besides the tech manual, have you written any complete stories around these Dreadnought's? So your Dreadnought's are sentient? Well, you can start by just comparing it to the Guyver. Most on this board can easily take it from there to compare to the other variant fan fic characters. Hmm, how do you explain the host augmentations then, aside from the added or altered organs? The Guyver typically withstand's forces that would literally liquidate a human body if not for the merger and augmentations it normally imposes to make the host more than human. A normal Guyver unit infuses the host with energy from the boost dimension (basically an energy filled version of hyper space) and continuously siphons energy via the gravity control orb. But the organism has to partially merge with the host cells to make this possible and alter the way the host biology works. Guyver strength thus stems from both the energy infusion and the fact the muscles and bones are augmented to be stronger. Cellular growth, etc is increased, which means the host is instantly put into peak physical condition while using the armor. Not to mention the instant remodeling of the host is what helps allow the Guyver retain the same proportions as the host and not bulk up as wearing a full body armor would normally do.

Besides, after the Exceed, don't you think the Gigantic is already powerful enough? Anyway, I think the possibly is much greater that the knowledge contained in those Navigation Spheres will be the most significant factor, rather than the Sphere's themselves.

Yes, the Ark has artificial gravity and this presumably extends a bit past its hull. Chapter 164 (170) has also been released... Spoiler Alert... BK sneaks onto the Ark, a crew of Zoanoids (dressed same as Hyper Team 5 in Chronos Uniforms) don't notice him on their security screens. He jumps around the interior until he comes upon the area containing the 3 Zoacrystals. . . The Zoanoid guards are forced to their knees by BK's will and he calmly walks into the chamber where Zoalord Edward had been watching over the three cystals. Or short exchange of words and Edward looks shocked before BK says something on the final page. Have to wait for the translations to find out what was said. Course this does mean we can safely say Prug'stall is dead, since BK already recovered Khan's crystal and there are three more on the Ark.

Well the momentum enhancement doesn't make the Guyver faster, it's more like it makes the Guyver heavier. The effect is like punching and kicking with an anvil attached but you don't feel the weight, only your target does. For example, the new female Guyver in the Manga compared punching through a zoanoid like punching through egg shells. Considering most standard zoanoids are basically bullet proof makes that statement quite significant. (Though this depends on zoaform type, some have very little armor, average is bullet proof, while some-usually hypers-can withstand artillery shells or more) So just basically just overwhelming irresistable force behind every blow. To put this into perspective, G1 weigh's about 575 pounds. So a running punch that puts his full weight into a punch would boost that to 5750 pounds, or just under 3 tons, which multiplied by his speed (unknown but presently assumed to be up to about 250 MPH). Since F=ma (basic rudementary formula version) mean the Guyver is capable of delivering incredible kinetic energy to its target. Even greater would be while in flight, since we think the Guyver can fly up to 300 MPH (unofficial since no official number has been published). But he should be able to reach that just falling from a high place so we can still use that number and estimate the Guyver's (at least G1's) maximum kinetic energy on impact to be up to about 862.5 tons for the time duration of impact. Course a normal punch or kick would be a tiny fraction of that number but still delivers tons of force for even a jab, which is why you usually see the Guyver's fist going right through a zoanoid's chest. (Bullet proof or not that's gotta hurt ) Impact absorbing zoaforms can withstand this however, but with some effort the Guyver can still penetrate. Like in the Manga G1 penetrated Zerebubuth's armor by jumping over him and then slamming down with both feet and his full weight into Zerebubuth's back and smashing right through - G3 later uses that hole to reach in and tear out Zerebubuth's heart (I'm assuming it was the heart anyway considering it wasn't exactly human looking). So the Guyver can basically make itself weigh as much as a large car and still move normally. Only very powerful Hypers, like Zektole, have armor strong enough to require the Guyver to use its weapons to penetrate. While Zoalord's either have super powerful forms or energy shields and require the Gigantic to handle them. Anyway, Coranth , why don't you post a data file of your character in the fan fic section for everyone to review?

Zygote isn't a made up word, it basically means a life created from two others (parents). So the name literally describes what it is! :apt: If Zygote was just like another unit then it would only be as powerful as any other standard unit but it's not! Zygote is a 10x character and that power stems from the fact that it does not bond to its host in the same way as other units do. In armor form it is literally a new and different life form, with the host and organism becoming one. It's just that since it retains a CM that it can still reverse the merger and act like a normal unit but unlike a normal unit it can enhance itself to a much higher power level and can even produce lesser powered clones of itself.

Check out the Guyver Trivia topic, it covers most everything you could want to know about the Guyver technology. As to your question, the Guyver literally channels gravitational energy throughout the body. Gravity and Momentum are interchangeable, so those organs convert the energy directly into momentum. Essentially increasing the effective mass of the Guyver by 10x (Official figure). The same gravity energy also gets channeled to the wrist organs which focus the energy to produce the Pressure Cannon. So the gravity energy is being channeled throughout the Guyver's body. The Gigantic's Barrier Shield fits your description better, since it converts the gravitational energy into the EM field we see as the Barrier Shield. Btw, feel free to publish. Copyright is only an issue if you don't give the originator the credit and/or when you try to make profit from someone else's idea. So as long as you give proper credit to your sources and don't intend to make money off it then you are free to post it up. You can contact TheGuyverWill on this site if you want to have it posted in our fan-fic section?

3 feet, not 3 meters... The Gigantic structure is partly a creation of the infused energy it contains. Similar to the standard Unit which also infuses energy into its structure and is one of the reasons why the armor is so durable. So when firing the Giga Smashers it drains so much energy that the structure of the Gigantic collapses like a deflated balloon. So the Gigantic falls off and returns to the Boost Dimension to recharge. However this may have been a limitation imposed by Sho. It remains to be seen if this limitation is still in effect now that Sho has unlocked the true power of the Gigantic and can now mainline energy from the boost dimension. The Exceed for example could block a mega smasher class weapon like Khan's Purgatorium with just one hand, without resorting to raising a shield. Three actually, the third is right smack in the back of the head, giving the Gigantic a total of 5 Hyper Sensory Orbs. Possible, it could also be part of the head beam system. The lower set of orbs is larger than the upper pair, just like the main head beam orb is larger than the two normal beam orbs on either side. Could be they are the prefire chambers before the beam is fired through the head beam orbs. We still don't know whether or not G3 has them or not, his antenna has more armor covering his head. On the other hand they could just be structural support, since G1 has less armor around the Antenna area it could be simply sticking out. The swords can also extend to a length of nearly 3 meters, or about equal to the height of the Gigantic. Or the swords can be fired off from their non-active lengths like vibrational harpoons, with the base of the sword extending like a tendril like whip. Exact range is unknown but they can easily be used to slice a wide area of at least 30 feet or more.

They're having some issues, unfortunately it's on Dekared's side, which Ryuki/Drag-5 doesn't have access to, and he's not presently available. So expect it resolved tomorrow, hopefully.

I believe that is referencing the general mindset of people, it's easier to believe some all powerful being created us than the idea we evolved from apes. Simply because of our ego's tend to accept the former more readily than the later because of personal bias that we must somehow be superior... And thus shouldn't be linked to what we think of as inferior. The very idea was originally either laughed at or thought of as blasphemy. It has consequently taken a very long time to be accepted. As for the actual level of proof, there is more proof behind evolution with what we now know of DNA, history, etc. We just don't have the missing link to complete the whole road map, the whole A to Z chain of events, and thus make it official.

Blink... blink .... where did everybody go?

Pretty much, with enough power there would be very little beyond the reach and scope of his abilities. Good enough reason to keep Jason just the way he is. :

Sorry, you're right, got my emotions about the movie mixed up with the title. That's one theory but since no one else could do it besides the people from that planet that it is most likely just something they learned to do.Picard wasn't really able to do it on his own, he needed her help. So it was really her doing it. Also remember she was what, over a century old? People on that planet were virtually immortal, short of getting killed. It's why so many were interested in the planet. I wouild liken it to being able to control your body temperature at will, takes a lot of mental discipline and training before you can do it. Even the scene where she was badly hurt Picard asked her to help him hold on to the moment.

Could be because I think about these sort of things all the time but I can think of at least 5 ways for Dreadnought to even the odds. None of them are easy though.

It depends on what you consider psionic? Basically many would consider psionic to include the quantum. Like Star Trek Voyager Kess character, saw that on some level mind, space, time, reality itself all merged into one and someone who could be consciously aware of this could manipulate reality at will. In the Sci-fi mini-series "Taken", the hybrid little girl had the ability to manipulate reality to the point she created a temporary altered reality at one point that effected an entire area that seemed totally real to all those who it effected until everything returned to normal. Other scenes showed her stopping traffic as she ran across a street, slowing them to a crawl until she passed. In the movie STTNG Nemesis, Picard met a woman who showed him how to hold on to a single moment and make it last longer. Slowing their personal time to a crawl but still being conscious in normal time so the experience last longer. So sci-fi writers at least think manipulating reality and time can be done psionically. Telekinesis is just the ability to move objects with one's mind, but what would give the mind this ability? We know for example that consciousness may be a result of the brain acting like a quantum computer, giving it far more processing potential than just the sum total of brain cells could allow. But this also means we may potentially be able to interact and effect the quantum level of our reality. Though psionics have yet to be actually proved we do know that though we can't really alter a random result individually, over time the evidense does show we can lopside the overall pattern. What we can do in groups hasn't been properly tested but the potential is there that if everyone willed the same thing that we could on some level shape our reality. There is also the fact our perception of time is a mental one. Depending on our mind set time can seem to flow either faster or slower. The question then is this just a quirk of our minds or are we really experiencing a change in the flow of time? Something to think about in any case.

@Spartan Warlord This has been discussed before, the problem is two fold. 1) Jason hates Chronos and would never willingly allow himself to be altered in any significant way. He's okay with using the power of his unit but sees that as external, like using a tool and with the Matrix he can always have the option to free himself of his unit. 2) Jason is afraid of losing his humanity, Zagam is good example of how bad that could get. Jason is a good man but he knows he can become evil if he allows it, he doesn't need to meet Zagam to know it, and allowing himself to be altered runs the risk of both corrupting him and altering his personality. W'Kar is a good example of how a unit could alter its host personality if it altered the host biology. Not to mention Zagam is an example of an altered Jason, not being entirely human anymore. So imagine how much change would be required to truly give him power? Besides, an ultimate Dreadnought would be a fic ending event.

True but he was talking about Dreadnought altering his own Matrix to gain Red Matrix abilities, different issue. Also, unlike the one who became Zagam, the present Dreadnought has a spare Matrix so other options are available to him. Yes, very true, the multi-dimensional properties of the W'Kar element are just too intense for the weak energy field of the Matrix to overcome. It would be like trying to contain an atomic explosion with an electromagnetic field... It may be possible but not very likely if all you got is house current to work with.Like Jaws, they would need a bigger boat so to speak. But that is assuming a confrontation only in its present configuration. Though the ways it could adapt are very difficult and unlikely to be achieved anytime soon. The Apothecary Unit for example shows the Matrix can work with the element when the energy levels aren't so lopsided. It's just with Anubis they are very lopsided. Consequently any solution would have to be extreme and thus unlikely to happen. True, and Anubis multi-dimensional perception would make it almost impossible to surprise him.Though that doesn't mean it is impossible, just very difficult and Dreadnought could still do things indirectly. The problem with the W'Kar element only comes into play with direct confrontation after all.

Yes and no, the Guyver Blast Field is a byproduct of the Unit transitioning between the boost dimension and normal space around the host. Essentially the unit creates a wormhole around the host and this results in the blast field, kinda like the eruption distortion seen on the TV series Stargate each time the gate is opened. So it's essentially a spatial warping dimensional barrier that protects the host while the unit transitions from the boost dimension to normal space and bonds to the host. This shows the extent of the Creator's hyper space technology. So even a simple unit could access the boost dimension well enough to store itself when not in use. The Gigantic takes it to the next level and allows the use of the transition to actually travel through the boost dimension for FTL travel. Okay, next question... What are the differences from a Guyver to a Gigantic?

Yes, the Guyver changes a lot but some things are kept the same and cellular activity is still chemically based. Also it is more energy efficient to use oxygen than relying on the energy siphon. Giving the Unit more power to use for the weapons, etc than keeping the host alive. However this is not to say the Unit doesn't greatly reduce the need for oxygen, for example simply breathing water like a fish would not gain you enough oxygen to stay conscious. Scientists have already calculated that if a human were genetically engineered to have gills that they would barely draw enough oxygen to keep them alive in a coma like state. Yet the Guyver can breath underwater, and has a boosted metabolism to boot that would burn oxygen like no tomorrow. So the Guyver must make the host metabolism super efficient to survive on so little air and still be combat ready. Also we have no idea how long the Guyver can hold its breath, or whether it really needs air or simply uses air since it is more efficient. For example in our own bodies we have the capacity to operate without oxygen, using alternative chemical system called Anaerobic Metabolism - Energy Without Oxygen. We can operate for a limited period of time but the cost is reduced energy level and increased production of toxic waste byproducts. So the Guyver may simply use oxygen to help keep the metabolism at peak efficiency. We don't really know whether the Guyver actually needs to breath or what would happen to the host if deprived of oxygen for extended periods of time. Nothing has ever been officially stated on the matter, other than a mention that the Gigantic may have an air supply thanks persumably to the cocoon, but aside from the metabolic efficiency, everything else is speculation.

Actually the Guyver self defense mode is Always On! It is pretty much the CM's prime directive to protect itself and the host. So basically the Unit will respond whenever the host fails to, such as can be seen whenever the unit activated a weapon system Sho had not known about before. The system is actually quite adaptable as it draws upon the host brain to augment its own capabilities, this can be seen better in the latest anime series. Whenever a complex action was required the CM accesses the host brain for added processing and information to decide on course of action, essentially defining the host will on an instinctual level. The most noticable incident being when the Unit protected Tetsuro and vaporized a bullet in mid-air with the head beam as it was hurtling towards Tetsuro's head. Sho was nowhere near fast enough to command it but the CM had accessed his mind and instantly decided the host wanted to protect Tetsuro and acted accordingly. So in actuality the Guyver does have a friend or foe recognition system, the problem is it relies on the host brain for this information and decision processes. This means when the host brain is damaged then the CM has no way to access the needed information and thus can't tell friend or foe until the host brain has been regenerated. This was the case when G1 faced off against Sho's Enzyme form father. Also whenever the Unit is in control, since it is basically just a machine intelligence, it responds to any threat with maximum power. The Unit doesn't hold back at all and thus it seems more powerful even though it isn't. Meaning Sho, could be that powerful if he just didn't care anymore, was completely ruthless, and went full out. Incidently the CM interface also helps accelerate the host mind, to the point that Zoanoids may seem to be moving in slow motion. Similar to say how the brain naturally accelerates during life or death situations. Scientists have actually tested this phenomena and noted the human brain is capable of doubling how fast it processes information. For the Guyver the CM interface probably makes this effect the norm and combined with the CM self defense system grants the Guyver its incredible speed and reflexes. Okay, next question... What is the Blast Field and what is its purpose?