If X-Day happened in the Marvel Universe...

[alkanfel009]

I think groups like weapon x, and the like would boluntariamente member timesheets, as well as other groups like the Morlocks

[Salkafar]

know, centry the fact is that every I see his powers are somewhat different enalcanse completmanete functions as if it would be a problem but as far as I understand, grab some weapons, heavenly, serious suficicente for, cope with,

 

Dude. What does this even mean?

 

 

should be noted that many villains might appose Cronos too. Namely Dr.Doom. 

 

I didn't even bring him up yet... but yeah. Doom is major bad mojo.

 

 

I think groups like weapon x, and the like would boluntariamente member timesheets, as well as other groups like the Morlocks

 

Chronos would not accept the Morlocks. They're genetic dross. And Weapon Plus, ultimately, exists to further the interests of the US and Canadian government.

 

...What happens if it's the other way around? What happens if the villains of Marvel Earth - or the heroes for that matter - invade Guyver-Earth?

[*V Guyver]

Guyver world, Hmm, Well if it's pre X-Day. Cronos would win because they are so well hidden. If it's post X-Day, they'd be up against a united world with all it's military might focused on defense with 12 demigods. . Most of the villains wouldn't coordinated, and the few that are would have a stiff fight. 

If you think about it, with either side, if worse comes to worse. Both sides have Armageddon options. Virtual Black hole turning into a real one for Guyver-Verse. While Marvel-Verse has had plots to blow up the planet, repeatably. 

 

[jerrygoodman]

Chronos would not accept the Morlocks. They're genetic dross.

That is true, but I could very likely see a scenario where Aptom, being a genetic outcast himself, would probably fight for the Morlocks, viewing them as kindred spirits.  Hell, maybe he could rally them together to battle Chronos.

[*V Guyver]

That's certainly true. The Guyvers might Join the Avengers as well to combat chronos, or maybe some other super hero group. 

[alkanfel009]

invasion of the marvel universe marvel wins guyver, guyver but invacion to marvel universe, with time and patience, collecting technology and allies would win time trials,

 

ejempol Morlocks would not be seen as jherrores, but as a collection baliosa if anything stands to chronos is aprobechar all its resources,

[Salkafar]

I completely disagree with you, alkanfel.

[Guyver0]

Well how about this; we all vote on what heroes/villians (That are the most well known) that we want to see thrown into the Guyver Universe that won't be very OP or UP?

[alkanfel009]

I completely disagree with you, alkanfel.

because  ??  

[Salkafar]

I completely disagree with you, alkanfel.

because  ??  

 Because you're employing 'special pleading'. You insist Chronos might succeed in invading the Marvel Earth and your argument consists of 'well they might', and I disagree with that. I don't think they could.

 

And I don't agree that Chronos would use the Morlocks, either. They might even go out of their way to destroy them.

 

 

Well how about this; we all vote on what heroes/villians (That are the most well known) that we want to see thrown into the Guyver Universe that won't be very OP or UP?

 

How about Venom? Or, at least, the symbiote.

[Guyver0]

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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Guyver0" data-cid="88325" data-time="1409885964">Well how about this; we all vote on what heroes/villians (That are the most well known) that we want to see thrown into the Guyver Universe that won't be very OP or UP?</blockquote>

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<p>How about Venom? Or, at least, the symbiote.</p>

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<p>I know this probably belongs in a separate discussion, but it would be interesting how the Guyver Unit and a symbiote would interact with one another.  Either one destroys the other,  an endless tug of war/stalemate, or a cohesion of the two?</p>

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<p>Or better yet, what about Aptom and a symbiote?</p>

Edited September 5, 2014 by Guyver0

[*V Guyver]

Venom type Symbiotic beings would lose each time. Control metal regulates it, even if it didn't, the Guyver one is shown to be stronger in that it's not just a symbiote, but an organism that completely devours it's host in seconds. The symbiotes in marvel need time and don't have full control. SO a wild Guyver symbiote would be the biggest threat to Marvel and Cronos's worlds if you think about it. It can fuse with anyone and everything, and take their aiblities, and it can nearly be un-killable because of it's ability to split and regenerate. It's pretty much the THING from the "THE THING" horror movies minus intelligence. . 

[alkanfel009]

I completely disagree with you, alkanfel.

because  ??  

 Because you're employing 'special pleading'. You insist Chronos might succeed in invading the Marvel Earth and your argument consists of 'well they might', and I disagree with that. I don't think they could.

 

And I don't agree that Chronos would use the Morlocks, either. They might even go out of their way to destroy them.

 

 

 

 

 

cronos may destrylla the Morlocks, but I think these would be addressed in a different world, as beings of power, disparate, 

 

have the option of studying utantes, cer pordrian the x men or the Brotherhood of mutants, 

 

the massegura opfcion would unhesitatingly Morlocks, 

 

 

subjects like red skull plus or trask, I even norman osborn, and the doc oc, would pass off timesheets for conbeniencia which would give them an advantage,

[Salkafar]

Now, we have discussed what might happen if the Guyver universe crossed over/into the Marvel universe... how about other universes?

 

What would happen if Chronos tried to get its way in..

 

..The DC comics universe.

..The Transformers comics universe.

..The Walking Dead universe.

..The Tolkien universe.

..The Aliens/Predator/Prometheus universe.

[alkanfel009]

..The DC comics universe. total defeat for chronos 

 

..The Transformers comics universe. total defeat for chronos 

 

..The Walking Dead universe. cronos prevails, 

 

..The Tolkien universe. incognita 

 

..The Aliens / Predator / Prometheus universe. cronos stalled 

 

 

 

 

full stop this is a theory, we have seen multiple occasions in guyver even in human form, the Zoanoids, are much stronger than a normal human, we all remember when faced guyot, as equals, to guyver 3. 

 

or when libertus, fought a Zoanoid human form, 

which leads me to think, 

 

 

gregole can Alsar a tank, which would sifra rounding, some 70 tons, split it 15, which is the increase in strength of the gregole body, and in human form this could Alsar about 4 tons with 600 kilograms

[*V Guyver]

Don't even mention DC. It's a no contest for DC winning. Way too many super heroes who can move planets. Superman, Green Lantern, Darksied, Captain Marvel, Martian Manhunter, those are just the well known ones. Marvel has a couple of characters in that power range, but DC has a ton of them. DC vs Guyver is a no Brainer as to whom would win. it's part of the reason why DC beats Marvel in comic crossovers. 

[alkanfel009]

Don't even mention DC. It's a no contest for DC winning. Way too many super heroes who can move planets. Superman, Green Lantern, Darksied, Captain Marvel, Martian Manhunter, those are just the well known ones. Marvel has a couple of characters in that power range, but DC has a ton of them. DC vs Guyver is a no Brainer as to whom would win. it's part of the reason why DC beats Marvel in comic crossovers. 

completely agree, dc has to mention some very rough super power, conbeniencia the argument, things like batman, can overcome, superman, are evidence of this, why would a very easy fight, guyver lost 

 

 

even if we tried, a sort of maximum zoalord, + armor guyver guyver gigantic, could not do, versus none,

[jerrygoodman]

Well, just to spice things up...what about the Terminator universe?

[Salkafar]

Depends on the time frame. But I bet Skynet can churn out new Terminators faster than Chronos can create new Zoanoids...

[Guyver0]

Depends on the time frame. But I bet Skynet can churn out new Terminators faster than Chronos can create new Zoanoids...

Plus Skynet may start pumping out Terminators similar to Zoanoids in terms of strength.  Can you imagine a Terminator Gregole?

[Salkafar]

I imagine machines like the Harvester from 'Salvation'...

Edited September 16, 2014 by Salkafar

[*V Guyver]

Considering Skynet and it's forces were losing to the humans by the time they started using time travel. They should be easily beatable.

Well the Zoanoids are more than strong enough to fight Skynet. But Skynet also controls nuclear weapons. Zoanoids could tear apart the machines like they could tanks, but they'd fall to the future weapons like Lazer beams. To be fair, if Cronos equipped it's Zoanoids with those same weapons, they'd hardly be stopped.

Finally, the trump card. Zoalords and Hyper types. Eventually Cronos is going to wipe out every damn computer off the planet except their own. 

The Aliens and Predator universes are more interesting. 

Especially is you consider what would happen if a Zoanoid was infested with Alien eggs. Zoa-Aliens...

[Salkafar]

The Predators would just 'nuke' Earth from solar systems away. They hunt using primitive tools by choice, not from need. They had interstellar space craft ten thousand years ago. Heck, they could be the enemy of the Creators.

 

...

 

After the fustercluck that was 'Prometheus', I came up with the following headcanon:

 

There once was an ancient and powerful race who had attained a level of such technological advancement that they were virtually immortal and capable of anything. But having done so, they felt their lives had lost meaning. So they decided to return to the ways of their distant ancestors and risk their lives in deadly hunts for fearsome prey, testing themselves continually, surviving on their wits and strength, rather than technology, all the while maintaining their high level of technological advancement. So they became the Hunters.

There once was another ancient and powerful race who attained a level of such technological advancement that they were almost immortal and capable of pretty much anything. Having done so, they were content to live their lives pursuing scientific knowledge. They proceeded to travel the galaxy, researching, studying and manipulating life forms, having raised themselves to a level of genetic perfection. They were the Engineers.

I don't know how a war would have started, but on the other hand it seemed logical: their ways of life were completely anathema: one race lived with furious passion, grappling with life and death, the other existed with cold detachment, studying from a distance. Anyway, war.

The Engineers were outmatched. Their opponents lived to fight and their technology was as advanced as theirs. But then they discovered something.

The Hunters went after any worthy prey, but there was one held over all others. An ancient species, much older than either the Hunters or the Engineers, but not civilized, maybe not even sapient. A race of super-adaptable parasites capable of incredibly rapid reproduction. Hunting one was a rite of passage for the Hunters. These monsters we call Xenomorphs.

So the Engineers took this species, isolated it and weaponized its genetic material into a range of biological attacks.

 

However, while this gave them an edge, it stoked the Hunters to far greater ferocity. The Engineers realized they may have dug their own grave with this move, and thus decided to make a back up of themselves. On a small but friendly world they seeded their own species, but in a stunted, downgraded form, so that they could escape detection by the Hunters.

In the end, their war was lost.  A handful of stragglers survived by entering bio-stasis and the Hunters declared victory.

 

Eventually, the Hunters discovered the world the Engineers had seeded with smaller, more imperfect versions of themselves, but instead of destroying it outright, they decided to test them. To see whether the Engineers could instead have been worthy, honorable adversaries. They raised the natives to a level of civilization and exposed them to Xenomorph infestation to hunt the results, in a recurring religious ritual.

 

That is how I see the Aliens/Predator/Prometheus universe... it could easily be combined with several other James Cameron productions, such as The Terminator, Avatar and Titanic.

 

You'd have to change only a few minor details to conflate it with the Guyver universe: say the Engineers are the Creators. Say they didn't steer human evolution from billions of years ago (which was always a completely insane idea) but, say, fifty thousand; and say humanity is their offspring, but a weaponized offspring. Combining the main traits of the Engineers/Creators with those of  biological weapons they made. We're upgraded versions of themselves. The next stage of the war. That is why we fascinate the Hunters and that is why they keep coming back.

But they might have to kill us all if we develop large-scale space travel.

[Guyver0]

Especially is you consider what would happen if a Zoanoid was infested with Alien eggs. Zoa-Aliens...

Love to see some fanart of that!

[Lindsay]

I'm going to indulge in a wee necro to bring a new tangent into this. 

The Generation 1 Transformers comic starts in the Marvel universe. Symbiote-enhanced Spider-Man has a run-in with Megatron whilst rescuing a hostage (1), and the Dinobots' Earth forms are informed by an expedition to the Savage Land (2).

As well as guest appearances from Marvel superheroes, TFG1 introduced a team called the Neo-Knights, led by Circuit Breaker (3), whose battlesuit conferred on her Magneto-style abilities of such magnitude she could cripple Unicron, a literal god (4).

If we take into account the content produced by Marvel UK, TFG1 also added to the Marvel pantheon Death's Head, a robot freelance peacekeeping agent (never call him a bounty hunter). His accomplishments include assassinating the Decepticon leader, Shockwave; fighting Unicron in the astral plane and destroying his mortal remains; and surviving a duel with Galvatron. He was scaled down into the Marvel universe in a chance encounter with The Doctor (5); both he and Circuit Breaker remain Marvel properties.

A few years ago, the TFG1 storyline was picked back up, under the title Regeneration One. In the twenty-one year publication gap, Megatron conquers Earth and drives humanity into an underground resistance movement. Megatron's Decepticon army has been lobotomised to ensure obedience. Now, this series was not a Marvel publication, however Circuit Breaker's tech is still in use, and in the accounts of the fall of Earth, there's not even an allusion to super-powered individuals even slowing down the invasion.

A narrative exists, therefore, in which an Earth that is defended by the Avengers, the X-Men, and Doctor Who, (and G.I. Joe, aheh) with all their adversaries present and with an obvious interest in uniting, and are all defeated by mindless Cybertronian zombies. 

Cybertronian tech is very different to the Uranus, and it's difficult to gauge Megatron's power relative to a Zoalord (Though could possibly take on Draglord - he does have a high-risk black hole attack), but if there's a conceivable timeline where Magneto fails to smash their scissors with his rock after being briefed by The Doctor, one can envisage a timeline where Archanfel defeats Dr Strange and Thor and The Hulk.

Why, there's even a 'What If…' story titled 'The Punisher Kills The Marvel Universe'. If Uatu the Watcher has seen that come to pass, it's not hard to imagine Chronos overcoming S.H.I.E.L.D.

Edited August 21, 2016 by Lindsay