Zoanoid strength and resiliance in human form.

[*Chernaudi]

I've been wondering about this for a while.  Since it seems, at leas to an extent, that Sho and Agito are as mortal as a normal human being when not in in their Guyver armor (they can be seriously injured by the same things that would inflict similar injury on you or I), I wonder if Zoaforming would have a significant impact on a person's strength and resilience in human form.

 

We know that the Libertus even in human form can give most Chronos Zoanoids a hard time, but is the same true of Chronos Zoanoids?

 

I keep thinking back to when Aptom had abducted Mizuki in his human form, and I wondered how well he'd stand up to things like getting stabbed in the back by someone, or grabbed, turned, and staked in the heart in a similar fashion?  Or how well in his human form he'd stand up to gunshot wounds?  He's probably impervious to most bladed weapons and firearms in his Zoaform state, but what about his human form?  I've also thought of him getting attacked and put into stuff like air and blood chokes, things like rear-naked chokes/sleeper holds, arm triangle chokes, the triangle choke, or the gogoplata, better known as Hell's Gate from the use of it by Mark Calaway as the Undertaker in the WWE.

 

Do Zoanoids have resistance to stuff like that in their human form beyond what a normal human has?

[Salkafar]

We know that the Zoanoid process alters even your human form, because Tetsuro and Natsuki were working on ways to recognize individual types of Zoanoid by their normal appearance.

And it makes sense, too; imagine being a Zoanoid, and then dying in a stupid accident while in human form. You'd want to improve those odds.

[LordSpleach]

It might be possible. If it wasn't, I doubt Murakami would've even carried a regular revolver in the manga.

[*Chernaudi]

Well, there's that old line from Predator:  "if it bleeds, we can kill it!"  However, it's getting a Zoanoid to bleed that's the problem, and in their transformed state, they are fairly impervious to most conventional human weapons.

 

So, it would make some sense that they'd be more vulnerable in their human state.  Thing is that we know that the Libertus types can kill many Zoanoid types with their bare hands in human form (except for Shizu--we've never seen her attack anyone in her human form to this point).  I know that somethings get altered in human form, just as happened with Sho and Agito after they merged with their Guyver units.

 

What I'm wondering about is would it make them more resilient/resistant to "conventional" human attacks, provided that they remain in their human state.  I mean, there's things that can easily kill or severely injure Sho and Agito to the point where calling forth their armor would be the only thing sure to save them.  And I think it's not out of the realm of possibility that Zoanoids in their human state would have similar vulnerabilities.  But does Zoaforming aid them with those vulnerabilities without the need to transform?

[*V Guyver]

Well, that depends on what they were processed into. 

-Some of the zoanoids, especially the Hypers have enhanced durability in human form, some even have insane strength by human standards.
-The libertus, are special in that even in human form enemy Zoanoids have trouble, while hypers have trouble against their transformed state.
-One hyper, Senuvite(Spelling?), could survive Guyver head beams because his zoanoids qualities remained even in human form.
-Mimic Zoanoids like Aptom seem to have some of their abilities in human form, disguised or not, even before becoming a combat creature (At this point he wasn't a zoanoid anymore). Two hyper's could produce sound attacks without transformation and even keep up running with the Guyver while human. We've seen several Hypers have advanced jumping skills, even though their model type may not of been developed for speed. 

The zoanoid process has some known results. It can improve your health and overall build. A select few seem to have abnormal physical traits, like extended ears, growths, and a few have changing eye color. Those that don't finish processing see an immediate reversal of all this and eventual death. Overall, you notice new muscle for muscle types. I suspect scout's get better reflexes, sensory better hearing or smell, and that all of them have an overall stamina increase. But other than that, your typical Zoanoid will be killed like any other human. It's really a rarity for the processing to so much of a success that it would carry to human forms.The hypers seem to be the biggest exception outside of the Zoalords, who have powers meant to be beyond zoanoids even in human form.

[Larz Zahn]

The animes took a lot of liberties with the characters and story.

Going by the manga alone, the only zoaformed human we actually see that shows any extra human ability was Guyot and he is a Zoalord.

Aptom don't count. The point he is at now? He is simply a zoaform despite whatever way he looks. He's no longer human. Its a permanently passive ability. Point in case, Alky killed him at relics point while Aptom was still human. Didn't really faze Aptom too much.

In the ova in the first episode, all the zoanoids as humans had increased jumping ability when they were looking for the units.

In the 2005 series, like v Guyver said, noskluv and myuzulmee(however its spelled) kept up with Sho as Guyver when he ran from then in that diner.

technically the Libertus aren't hypers, correct? They are considered lost numbers?

I can't recall any zoanoid showing extra abilities as a human in the manga, but that may be just cause i can't remember it. Lol!

Edited August 11, 2014 by Larz Zahn

[*Jess♥]

I don't think we can say libertus are lost numbers because they have been reproduced many times. now, we could say the rule on reproduction was more to do with fertility but I have always found that part to be an issue.

let me re-translate it.

[*Jess♥]

(æ種実験)ロストナンãƒãƒ¼ä¼‘。。。

(Lost species Experiment unit) Lost Number unit...  (in this case, the unit is a retired unit, not sure what word to use to elaborate on that)

調製éŽç¨‹ã§ç”Ÿæ®–機能をæã£ãŸï¼‘代ã‹ãŽã‚Š ã®å¤‰ç•°ä½“

due to the processing, reproductive function was damaged by a 1 generational mutation.

this is interesting and I should have done it earlier.

This has no bearing on whether this type of zoanoid could be applied to another applicant, it clearly refers to human reproductive ability. as in children.

it suggests that a lost number may be able to reproduce but the damage to the reproductive ability would result in a mutation in the next generation. it seems unclear if the reproduction would be successful or not, so may be reduced fertility, but this is not really elaborated on. it doesn't mean there definitely cannot be offspring but it does mean there would be an undesirable mutation in that next generation. this may result in loss of zoaform or something more serious.

[*Jess♥]

I should translate the rest.

 

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however, none among them reach(qualify for) adoption numbers(officially appointed zoanoids)
though i hear some of them have unique abilities

 

 

seems Viz's translation in this case is quite misleading and adds in much extraneous and inaccurate information.

 

 

Couldn't say what Chuang yi's translation is like.

[Larz Zahn]

I wonder why the lost numbers were so looked down on then. Their abilities make them scary.

[*Jess♥]

well they were looked down on because they were defective models, nothing more complex than that.

 

some of them have good abilities but they can't successfully pass on their genes to the next generation.

 

think about zxtole as a fine king with an illustrious bloodline to follow, Aptom by comparison is like a castrated lion.

[Larz Zahn]

Maybe I'm just backwards. but i would hold those with more unique powers with more reverence than i would someone who could be duplicated. It makes them special like precious metals are.

[*YoungGuyver]

We know that the Zoanoid process alters even your human form, because Tetsuro and Natsuki were working on ways to recognize individual types of Zoanoid by their normal appearance.

And it makes sense, too; imagine being a Zoanoid, and then dying in a stupid accident while in human form. You'd want to improve those odds.

Unless people with certain body types/genes are more suited to different zoanoid models.

 

While it is true that some zoaforms have traits that bleed into their human forms, we have mainly just seen this in Hypers, Lords, and Lost numbers.  One trait that we can confirm is their resilience to sickness.  After X-day, Chronos advertised that getting zoaformed makes you stronger, and I believe if memory serves more resilient to sickness.  Though does the strength come in the zoaform?  Are you brainwashed into exercising?  And is the resilience simply because of different protein coatings on the modified cells of the human/zoanoid no longer being compatible with modern germs?  Tough to say, Guyver is not a tech manual

 

The 2005 series is not the manga, and there were a few animation mistakes, but it did make the point that the whole body might not necessarily zoaform at the same time.  Murakami for instance could morph only his hand to fire the big gun.  Synevite morphed his legs to stand in the water.  If zoanoids are only doing partial morphs to tap into abilities from time to time, it would make it even harder to answer this question.  The anime isn't necessarily canon, but it's pretty close.  I'd hold it for consideration.  Some scenes in the anime were better fleshed out and expanded upon-despite not perfect animation.

[*V Guyver]

Well, the anime did have it's share of flaws. I mean, show went around doing some pretty fast footwork, and able to jump around with Mizuki in his arms. Considering how scrawny he is, I doubt it's accurate.