Upgrades Upgraded Guyver Unit Technology

[Guest Jupiter]

Is anyone open to the thought that there are upgraded Guyver units in Sho and Agito's time and they are just using a more primitive version of the Guyver?

I mean the Guyver Units that were left behind are thousands of years old. I think Apollon constantly has his Guyver Unit engaged and it seems like a far more advanced version than that of a Lesser Unit of the Guyver and seems even more advanced than that of the Gigantic. So I'm think that there is a possibility that the Advents had to have upgraded the Units to a better and more efficient kind of technology since they helped manipulate life on Earth. I mean, if I was the Advents and could build and shape that kind of technology. I'd try to improve it. So the Advents must have improved the Guyver technology since its time on Earth. Does anyone think this is a possibility?

[Lord Uziel]

We don't know if Apollon has a real guyver unit. we only know that his armor is made by the same material of the guyver control unit.

I imagine there is the possbility that, from the time they were on Earth, they improved the guyver technology. or maybe they abadoned it because of its intrinsic problem with the human beings for a different technology.

Edited June 20, 2014 by Lord Uziel

[LordSpleach]

I don't think it's a possibility because it might stylistically clashed with the themes of the series. I know there is the whole Warrior Guyver fan series that dives into the concept. Though when I looked at it briefly, it seemed to borrow too heavily from Dragonball's idea of powering up for the sake of powering up, and adding in a ton of characters.

[Guest Jupiter]

I don't think it's a possibility because it might stylistically clashed with the themes of the series. I know there is the whole Warrior Guyver fan series that dives into the concept. Though when I looked at it briefly, it seemed to borrow too heavily from Dragonball's idea of powering up for the sake of powering up, and adding in a ton of characters.

Would you say that the Gigantic would be an upgraded version of the Lesser Unit or just an add on?

[*ScottmanXIII]

I would say an evolved unit, only possible with the mind of a human - out of control.

I'm not sure the advents can surpass this because it was an unplanned anomaly.

[Guest Jupiter]

So do you think the Advents maybe discontinued use of the units as well?

[Guyver0]

I don't think the Creators disbanded the Guyver technology because they relied on the Unit to control other aspects of their technology(i.e. their ships).  However, its hard to say how they would even improve on the unit considering the unit itself is just a "blank slate" until it merges with a sentient being.  Plus it seems that the Unit is very volatile in the sense that it can be very difficult to control and manipulate and as a result is unpredictable.  I think the fact that they were able to achieve what they already have with the units is remarkable even by their standards.

 

The only thing I can think of is that they either improved the control metal itself or perhaps tried to create a control metal that didn't free its host from the telepathic commands of the Creators.

[LordSpleach]

I don't think it's a possibility because it might stylistically clashed with the themes of the series. I know there is the whole Warrior Guyver fan series that dives into the concept. Though when I looked at it briefly, it seemed to borrow too heavily from Dragonball's idea of powering up for the sake of powering up, and adding in a ton of characters.

Would you say that the Gigantic would be an upgraded version of the Lesser Unit or just an add on?

I would say it would be like being a rifleman in the army, and then getting promote to drive a tank.

[Guest Jupiter]

 

I don't think it's a possibility because it might stylistically clashed with the themes of the series. I know there is the whole Warrior Guyver fan series that dives into the concept. Though when I looked at it briefly, it seemed to borrow too heavily from Dragonball's idea of powering up for the sake of powering up, and adding in a ton of characters.

Would you say that the Gigantic would be an upgraded version of the Lesser Unit or just an add on?

I would say it would be like being a rifleman in the army, and then getting promote to drive a tank.

 

Well, that makes sense. The Gigantic does seem alot like a tank. It's even light brown like an army tank now that you say that.

[*Jess♥]

The guyver unit is sort of like what the future of our smart phones could be.

Think about it, our smartphones are a device that is increasingly being used to interface and control things around us, it gives us information and allows us to communicate further than normal, it increases many aspects of our natural abilities, such as maths functions, access to knowledge, ability to record images more detailed than our own memory. It won't be long until we will be using our smartphones to control our cars, we just open hte map application and point to a location and tell the car that is where to go.  in time we'll only have to speak to it, and in more time, we will only have to think it.

 

The main area of improvement in smart phones is processor speed and capacity. extra features is nice, but given the development of nanotechnology and 3d printing it won't be too long until we can build any function into the device just by using software.

The bio-boost organism is like the Guyver units 3d printer.

[Salkafar]

What we know of the Advents suggests that they were unbelievably bad at technological progress. They needed organic warriors, for a war - and it took them about six hundred million years to get them. Because instead of using genetic engineering, they just let evolution take its course.

 

Humans discovered just the molecular structure of DNA, let alone how to fiddle with it, no more than 60 years ago, and we're manipulating it already.

 

I don't think they did anything with the control medallion. I think the whole concept of competition was alien to them. After all, they were believed to be a coalition of races.

 

That 'war' they spoke of... what if it was something completely different from what we imagine? When you think about it, infantry - which is what Zoanoids are - should be completely irrelevant to an interstellar conflict. Perhaps direct clashes - deep space battles - were not a part of it at all. Perhaps it was more like a chess game - they'd try to colonize a world, and their 'enemies' tried to colonize a world, both by dropping their life forms on it, but there would be absolutely no direct confrontation between the 'warring' parties at all.

 

No wonder we scared them. If that is what happened, we must seem indescribably brutal to them. Perhaps they evolved past physical conflict a billion years ago themselves.

[*V Guyver]

Certainly weird. They might be a species that doesn't follow the passage of time, and I think it's possible they are in a civil war, which is why they could afford the time to do this.. Also, they built life from scratch and terraformed the earth, that alone must of been lengthy processes. Seems they never did this before, and so having to slowly guide life to build it up was a hard process. They don't seem to do genetic manipulation, judging from the length of time, it seems they prefer using traditional breeding skills. 

Must point out, while we have DNA that we can study and manipulate, they had nothing in the start. All DNA, or genetic variables, genetic strengths and weaknesses were made from scratch and manipulated by them. That seems to be the biggest problem they faced. The second issue is they abandoned several potential creatures and started the process over several times. Look at the T-Rex, looks like a good instrument of war, but wasn't as flexible or smart as they wanted.

[Salkafar]

"Must point out, while we have DNA that we can study and manipulate, they had nothing in the start. All DNA, or genetic variables, genetic strengths and weaknesses were made from scratch and manipulated by them."

 

I don't think I agree with this. All depictions of the Creators' manipulations consistently show early life forms from the Cambrian or late Precambrian - long ago, but much closer to our time than to the actual beginning of life. If the Creators had actually created life on Earth, the 'time vs. progress' issue become even worse, because life has existed on Earth for at least 3.3 and possibly 3.8 billion years... and maybe even longer than that. For most of that time, life was single-celled.

 

My personal view is that they started to take interest in Earth around the Ediacaran, and that the first living things they created were beings like Dickinsonia... perhaps the first organism that preyed on another, and possibly the first organism that was capable of moving by itself.

[Bio-Boosted Dude]

So do you think the Advents maybe discontinued use of the units as well?

I don't think they would ever need to discontinue use of it. It had a very casual use to the Creators, wearing it for everyday tasks and such. I don't see what they could possibly upgrade about it since they seemed like a group of people who didn't get their hands dirty themselves. If they needed to do something that the current state of the Unit didn't allow, they would probably engineer a creature to do that work for them.

 

I'm beginning to think that maybe Apollon isn't actually an Advent, but a more advanced creation of theirs sent to do some wet work. Over the million of years since visiting Earth, they created another Alkanphel with more advanced zoacrystal technology. Or perhaps that armour is the source of his power. I think the Advents probably pushed the Guyver unit as far as it needed to go. In regards to improving it to allow bio-boosted humans to be controlled, I would say that problem is more on the human end of things. Not a problem with the unit itself.

[*Jess♥]

just looking at a translation from the beginning of book 30, checking the japanese phrasing etc.

 

 

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[Salkafar]

just looking at a translation from the beginning of book 30, checking the japanese phrasing etc.

é¥ã‹ãªæ˜”　in the distant past

ã“ã®åœ°çƒã« to this planet

â€å½¼ã‚‰â€ã¯ã‚„ã£ã¦ã㟠"they" came

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未ã ç”Ÿå‘½ã®èŒèŠ½ã™ã‚‰ãªã„ as yet there was no sign of life

原始ã®å¤§åœ°ã« on this primeval earth

â€å½¼ã‚‰â€ã¯ç¨®ã‚’æ’’ã "they" sowed seeds

環境を整㈠prepared the environment

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以後数åå„„å¹´ã«äº˜ã‚Š spanning billions of years from then

地çƒç”Ÿç‰©ã®é€²åŒ–ã«é–¢ä¸Žã—続ã‘㟠continuing to participate in the evolution of earth's creatures

â€å½¼ã‚‰â€ãŒå¿…è¦ã¨ã™ã‚‹ "they" needed to

â€å…µå™¨ã¨ã—ã¦ã®ç”Ÿå‘½ä½“â€ã‚’創り出ã™ç‚ºã« in order to produce "living beings as weapons"

Holy crap.

That makes it even far worse than I thought. They really suck at this.

The first appreciable signs of life on the planet appear at least 3.3 billion years ago. Three. Billion. Years.

If they could afford to wait that long... what kind of feeble-ass beings are the Creators anyway? They have every reason to be afraid of us. We are the Singularity.

The Celestials were also said to have messed with humanity, but they did it 600,000 years ago.

Edited July 13, 2014 by Salkafar

[*V Guyver]

Gotta wonder, why did they even choose selective breeding? They later did outright DNA manipulation with the Zoalords and Zoanoids, so why bother with the selective breeding for the first billions of yeas?

[Lord Uziel]

In my opinion humans were the last of their "living beings as weapon". they also tried other forms, like dinos.

[Salkafar]

If we ever make it to outer space, we are going to absolutely dominate them. Like sapient bacteria.

Comparatively it's like a species that is born, is fully grown and educated an hour later, and dies before nightfall of the same day, having produced a newer, more advanced generation. We evolve into new species over a week's time, and go from the wheel to airplanes in an afternoon.

Again: no wonder they are scared. Add to the already-frightening mix a G-unit... and you're looking universal extinction in the eye.

We're weaponized smallpox, we are replicating nanomachines; we're the dreaded superbug. We are air-borne Ebola. Earth is the shattered petrie dish... the broken test tube.

Are the Creators really a metaphor for research into biological weapons?

Edited July 17, 2014 by Salkafar