chapter Guyver July 2014

[Guest Jupiter]

Basically there's a brewing Civil War. The rogues want a Guyver unit like Guyot does, the other side is loyal to people like Barcas, Shin and Alky. That I think will lead to Chronos' downfall quicker than anything that Sho or Agito could do aside from grouping all the Zoalords together and killing all of them at once.

But at this rate, Sho and Agito probably won't have to work that hard, since possibly at any time the split factions in Chronos could do the job for them, along with Apolloyon, whoever he is.

I think the only reason why Luggnagg and Jabir re-optimized Richard Guyot is because Caberal Khan died fighting Sho ( Gigantic Exceed) and Aptom ;there's only two rebel zoalords now. It seems they wanted a replacement for their fallen rebel zoalord comrade. Guyot seemed to be a more fitting candidate to fill that role because he was originally a part of their treasonous alliance. They needed someone they could some what trust. Richard ( who would be the third rebel zoalord aside form Khan) was originally an ally in their Quadrilogy against Lord Archenphel; so it only makes sense why they would restore or re optimize him with a synthetic zoacrystal and send him to do their dirty work, since Luggnagg's idea was to re-optimize a zoalord that is willing to go out and make a scene and doesn't care to kill Cronos agents by the dozens. Richard's purpose other than taking up his role as a rebel rogue zoalord, is also supposed to take the heat off of Luggnagg and Jabir and not make them look as obvious. Also, its really obvious. When Luggnagg was pretty much telling Richard that  he needed to follow orders and report to him on a regular bases because without him or Jabir, Guyot would lose the support and the power he's been given.

 

From what I understand is that Richard doesn't realize that his powers are limited now. That he has a dummy zoacrystal. He may not have a short life span. Dummy Crystals are actually man made copies of those used by the Zoalords when Chronos are test processing the battleform of a future Zoalord. While these fake crystals do impart the superhuman strength, battleform ability, durability and mental powers that a regular Zoalord "like Richard use to be" would have the usage timeframe on the crystals is somewhat limited. After a few minutes of activation the power will be used up and Richard's body will fall or collapse from exaustion while he recovers his strength.

[LordSpleach]

Jupiter, Guyot was never a partner with the three rebels. Luggnagg and Jabir are just using Guyot to get what they want, just as Guyot is using them to get what he wants.

 

Guyot was also told that he had be given a dummy crystal from the start.

 

Luggnagg, Jabir, and Khan only rebelled to understand the Guyver and its secrets. They were curious as to why Guyot would rebel, and questioned Archanfel's method of using only Murakami to capture the Guyvers.

 

Luggnagg and Jabir still don't know why the Creators left, and the power a zoalord guyver could wield.

 

Guyot still has the upper hand in this sense. Plus, there maybe the possibility of Guyot still having the Remover.

[Guest Jupiter]

Jupiter, Guyot was never a partner with the three rebels. Luggnagg and Jabir are just using Guyot to get what they want, just as Guyot is using them to get what he wants.

 

Guyot was also told that he had be given a dummy crystal from the start.

 

Luggnagg, Jabir, and Khan only rebelled to understand the Guyver and its secrets. They were curious as to why Guyot would rebel, and questioned Archanfel's method of using only Murakami to capture the Guyvers.

 

Luggnagg and Jabir still don't know why the Creators left, and the power a zoalord guyver could wield.

 

Guyot still has the upper hand in this sense. Plus, there maybe the possibility of Guyot still having the Remover.

 

Do you still think he has the remover if he was planning on taking the Segowa's as hostage? Perhaps to lure the Guyver into a trap than use the remover on  Sho?

 

[Larz Zahn]

Its a good chance. Alky believed it destroyed along with Guyot. So if he survived he could of salvaged the remover. I'm kinda surprised at how patient Apollyon is being with Sho. He kinda even brushed him aside.

[Guest Jupiter]

Apollon is even stronger than the Gigantic? If thats the case, it certainly can't be Murakami that everyone seems to believe is Apollon.... because that would be contradicting his fight with Agito's Gigantic Dark. Which by the way shattered Murakami's zoacrystal and stopped and evaded his every attack. At this point I don't believe  it's Murakami. There's no proof that it is Murakami and there's not enough proof that its just a random member of the 12 holy commanders. I just have too many reasons to believe that.

 

Reason being.

 

Reason 1.) During this battle Apollon used the same abilities as Caerleon, hinting that he might be as powerful as Archanphel, as Caerleon stated that only Archanfel can use his powers.

Reason 2.) His armor appears to be made from the same material as the Guyver's control metal. It is thus theorised that he is linked to the Uranus or the Advents.

Reason 3.) References  himself as 'the harbinger of destruction'. ( The Advents tried to blow up Earth.)

Reason 4.) Apollon is the extended Greek name for the deity Apollo the son of Zeus. ( The Advents created Humans, zoanoids and zoalords.The reference of a deity would possibly explain in myth that gods created man.)

Reason 5.) I believe that Apollon is using an advanced upgraded version of the  Guyver Unit as referenced to his armor. The Advents used the Guyver Units themselves.

Reason 6.) The Advents had total mental control over zoanoids and humanoids in prehistoric times. ( Just because he can control zoanoids does not mean he is a zoalord)

Reason 7.) Only Archenphel can use all zoalord powers. He doesn't like killing off zoalords he helped make unless they try to kill him. Apollon can use other zoalord abilites ;as well as kill them and take their zoacrystal. Murakami can only do gravity because he is Richard Guyot's loyal replacment.

 

So in other words, I strongly disagree that it is or ever will be Murakami. I think he's an Advent because he wears armor. The armor looks like that of an enhanced Guyver armor. After all the units Sho and Agito use are thousands of years old. I'm sure Advent technology has widely improved since than.

 

 

 

[*Jess♥]

forgetting the fact that Apollon's armour is not of earth and made out of guyver control metal material?

high chance that spollon's armour IS Guyver.

[LordSpleach]

I had a thought. I know the chances aren't likely, but what if Apollon is an automaton, and Archanfel is controlling him directly.

[TheAptomStrain]

Long time, no post. Just wanted to make a comment about the battle between Aptom and Guyver II F that's going to take place. The only way she could possibly win is from some massive ass pull that Takaya-Sensei might do. I've come to this weird conclusion that Aptom just sort of "forgets" his previous powers whenever he gets a new form. I understand him ditching Vamore's bio lasers once he got ZX-Tole's lasers, along with Gregole's strength when he got Derzerb and later ZX-Tole's strength. Nothing got ditched from Trinity Blast to Full Blast because it was just an interim form. Evil Aptom used nothing but new attacks. But when he got Omega Blast the only thing he kept from the powers he got from Evil Aptom are stealth, and the high frequency lancer that doesn't function the same way as Evil Aptom's did. I've only seen him use stealth and Bio-Freezer's ability and he used the spear as a slashing weapon once. I haven't seen him use his missiles or head beam at all, or even the molecular accelerator (which is easily his second most powerful weapon next to the freezing). He has flight from not only ZX-Tole but also Vikarr, and yet I haven't seen him fly yet. It's completely understandable to me that he could have totally ditched his Enzyme II powers, like he did with so many other things. Anyways, RANT'S OVER. GLAD TO BE BACK. MISSED ALL OF YOU.

[*Chernaudi]

If Val wants to fight him, I'd bet that he'd dig out the enzyme to do some damage quickly, especially if he doesn't really want to drag out a fight.

[*Jess♥]

why would val fight him then?

what could she possibly gain from fighting a zoanoid trhat she's only seen once and has no idea of his allegiances?

 

i wanted to make comment on Aptom's abilities too.

I believe it takes him some small effort to retreive specific abilities and activate them. I don't think his current form can have all his abilities at the ready.

I think if he retreives zxtoles wings for example, he may lose out on some other ability. I think it's a matter of balance. like a meal. you have to get a fine balance of the ingredients or the resulting meal will taste bad.

[TheAptomStrain]

I think the meal analogy is somewhat silly but it makes a lot of sense. I do sense that what he has demonstrated so far in his Omega Blast form is more close combat oriented as opposed to the ranged fighter that Full Blast was. Also why I believe he didn't go Omega Blast right after he received Hayami's body. He was fighting a much larger opponent that ranged fighting was necessary.

[Larz Zahn]

I've always assumed that Aptom simply grows whatever he thinks he needs. He makes changes to his body to fit the battle as needed.

[*Chernaudi]

why would val fight him then?

what could she possibly gain from fighting a zoanoid trhat she's only seen once and has no idea of his allegiances?

 

i wanted to make comment on Aptom's abilities too.

I believe it takes him some small effort to retreive specific abilities and activate them. I don't think his current form can have all his abilities at the ready.

I think if he retreives zxtoles wings for example, he may lose out on some other ability. I think it's a matter of balance. like a meal. you have to get a fine balance of the ingredients or the resulting meal will taste bad.

Aside from her association with Guyot, it could be argued that maybe Aptom has little to gain from killing her unless she's an immediate threat to him or Sho.

 

But as far as changing his form, he obviously, with little doubt, has that stuff stored in him--basically, as far as I understand, if Aptom has it's DNA coding, he can use it's powers if it's a Zoanoid.  But what I'm wondering, since you did bring it up, can he just spray the enzyme like Enzyme II can?  That's the main way that Aptom has used it, but since you mentioned it, can he produce the gland that produces the enzyme without modifying his current form?

[neozxtole]

  I am sure Aptom doesn't "forget" previous powers, he simply recalls whatever weapon or technique he chooses, when he chooses, according to the necessity. He has absorber so many Zoanoids and Hyper Zoanoids that we have no idea what other powers he has. I wish that there was a chart showing which Zoanoid & Hyper Zoanoids he has abosorb and a list of their abilities. Of course that is a pipe dream, but it would be cool to see the pictures of the different Zoanoids he has absorbed. As far as Apollon, I really do think it's Imakarum. Perhaps he has "borrowed" or absorbed more of Alkanphel's powers somehow while he is defenseless and weak and thus being able to use them. When he fought the Zoalord (I can't remember his name) at the Ark, it seemed that he was unfamiliar with the technique his opponent used, as if he was unaware, but then somehow recalling his new abilities, was able to counter it. Another thing, if he wasn't Imakarum, how could he possibly allow an intruder anywhere near Sihla Island to drop off the siblings? 

[TheAptomStrain]

I know he doesn't actually forget them. That's why I put forget in quotes. I'm making a joke about how whenever he gets a new form, he completely disregards the abilities from the prior form. When's the last time you saw him use Gaster's Bio-Missles, or Elegen's discharge, or ZX-Tole's flight or beam weaponry?

Edited June 6, 2014 by TheAptomStrain

[*Chernaudi]

I think the deal with Aptom is that as Chronos makes newer Zoanoid designs, they have newer, enhanced abilities.  And we have to remember that Aptom doesn't just "mimic" their abilities, he enhances them to beyond what their scope of power was from the creature he got the power from. 

 

I'll bet that Aptom has far greater memory than any of us do of the powers he has and those he's "eaten" to gain those powers.  Though I do think that it would be neat if someone had the time and patience to figure out what Zoaforms he has consumed.

[TheAptomStrain]

The only ones I'm positive about are Enzyme II, Gregole, Vamore, Elegen, Ramotith, Gaster, Derzerb, ZX-tole, Rocies, Gastal, Bilfinger, Zangallo, Vikarr and Bio-Freezer. Still trying to figure out where he got the high frequency lancer.

[*Chernaudi]

He was also able to make a Thancrus doppelganger, though he never absorbed him.  I also don't remember where he got his high frequency swords/lancer.

[TheAptomStrain]

He was also able to make a Thancrus doppelganger, though he never absorbed him.  I also don't remember where he got his high frequency swords/lancer.

The Thancrus was just his shape shifting ability, don't forget he was also Imakurum during that "fight". Also masqueraded as Guyver III when first attacking Sho and Mizuki.

[*V Guyver]

He was also able to make a Thancrus doppelganger, though he never absorbed him.  I also don't remember where he got his high frequency swords/lancer.

The Thancrus was just his shape shifting ability, don't forget he was also Imakurum during that "fight". Also masqueraded as Guyver III when first attacking Sho and Mizuki.

The blades he had were more or less like his Guyver imitation. Just solid sharp bony blades, but don't vibrate. 

[alkanfel009]

I believe that what I wonder is, because he has not given more prominence to shizu,

[LordSpleach]

The only ones I'm positive about are Enzyme II, Gregole, Vamore, Elegen, Ramotith, Gaster, Derzerb, ZX-tole, Rocies, Gastal, Bilfinger, Zangallo, Vikarr and Bio-Freezer. Still trying to figure out where he got the high frequency lancer.

I know he got the high frequency lance from a hyper zoanoid(I forget which one) during the time Khan was controlling his body.

 

And with his fight against the Libertus, he has now shown the ability to change the function of absorbed weapons.

[TheAptomStrain]

The only ones I'm positive about are Enzyme II, Gregole, Vamore, Elegen, Ramotith, Gaster, Derzerb, ZX-tole, Rocies, Gastal, Bilfinger, Zangallo, Vikarr and Bio-Freezer. Still trying to figure out where he got the high frequency lancer.

I know he got the high frequency lance from a hyper zoanoid(I forget which one) during the time Khan was controlling his body.

And with his fight against the Libertus, he has now shown the ability to change the function of absorbed weapons.

Yes he got the high frequency lance while under Khan's but it's left ambiguous who he got it from, along with his spiked ball arm, since those Hyper Zoanoids didn't get data files. The only reason Zangallo and Billfinger are confirmed is because we saw them and the molecular accelerator is from Zangallo, and his right arm is clearly Billfinger's. And yes about changing the function. Khan's version was a stabbing weapon with all the power focused on the tip, while Aptom's can slash and acts more like a standard high frequency blade.

[Guest Jupiter]

why would val fight him then?

what could she possibly gain from fighting a zoanoid trhat she's only seen once and has no idea of his allegiances?

 

i wanted to make comment on Aptom's abilities too.

I believe it takes him some small effort to retreive specific abilities and activate them. I don't think his current form can have all his abilities at the ready.

I think if he retreives zxtoles wings for example, he may lose out on some other ability. I think it's a matter of balance. like a meal. you have to get a fine balance of the ingredients or the resulting meal will taste bad.

 

Wouldn't Aptom be stand offish since he found out she was working with Richard Guyot and was responsible for the mansion burning down? 

Since he's depleted of his energy and was resting by the tree when Valkyria found him. I just assume he escapes using his stealth ability. If they do fight. I assume he would use the Enzyme 2 Gene that his Aptom Cells were given before he left Cronos. After all its his most effective weapon against a Guyver and doesn't cost any energy to use. I'm not sure how much energy it takes for him to shift or change his own cells though to use the ability. Who knows, they may not fight.

[neozxtole]

Well, like I mentioned before, invisibility would not work because the Guyver unit can sense a subject even if the host cannot see it.

Edited June 7, 2014 by neozxtole