Guyver death question...

[*PrimalNemesis]

When Sho had his control metal ripped out and the bio-booster armor started to revert to it's original parasitical form was it Sho who grabbed Enzyme from behind or was it the bio-boost creature?

[Salkafar]

Nobody knows except Takaya.

[Larz Zahn]

I'm going to go with the bio booster organism. One, the control metal was out odd the body. The control interface was gone. And two, the Guyvers form changed into the same form as the Guyver clone. So this tells me Sho was gone.

[*V Guyver]

I'm going to go with the bio booster organism. One, the control metal was out odd the body. The control interface was gone. And two, the Guyvers form changed into the same form as the Guyver clone. So this tells me Sho was gone.

Agreeing with him, at that point Sho was already gone. Though if he had managed to get a hold of the control medal he would of become Sho again. Sho wouldn't have needed to regrow from scratch.

[durendal]

Would the Guyver feel any pain?  I mean, since bioboosting usually replaces some parts of his body, won't it be logical to take out the pain receptors as well?  It seems to me that doning the g-unit gives you an equivalent body of a soldier.  Wouldn't soldiers benefit from having no pain?

[Larz Zahn]

I would say less pain for sure. But pain is essential for survival. Without it the body can't tell if something is wrong. Example somebody takes a swing at you with a bat. If you feel no path then you block and you feel fine, even ego your arm is severely fractured. He goes to hit you again, you block and now you arm is broken and crippled.

If you could feel pain then you wouldn't block that second time cause you know it would be bad from how horrible or feels.

Also pain helps people be cautious. There is a chance that feeling no pain could lead a person to doing reckless things.

Edited September 19, 2013 by Larz Zahn

[Alcheymyst]

I could be wrong but from my understanding I always thought it was Gyout using his telepahy? I based this on the ova as I never read this scene in the manga but after watching episode 11 when Murakami explains a bio-boosted human was no longer under their control and going back to the scene they kind of hint at gyout controlling the creature. I thought it was ment to be taken as without the control medal gyout could now control it?

 

"You were useful to me Enzyme! but no more... Fareware!!!" - Gyout

 

and the scene played out to look as if Gyout had precise influence. But I could be mistaken, I'm not really sure on the heirachy of telepathy, is it creators can control humans/zolard/zoanoids and zoalords can only control zoanoids? and where does the bio boost creature fit into it? I dunno rambling...

[Guyver0]

I could be wrong but from my understanding I always thought it was Gyout using his telepahy? I based this on the ova as I never read this scene in the manga but after watching episode 11 when Murakami explains a bio-boosted human was no longer under their control and going back to the scene they kind of hint at gyout controlling the creature. I thought it was ment to be taken as without the control medal gyout could now control it?

"You were useful to me Enzyme! but no more... Fareware!!!" - Gyout

and the scene played out to look as if Gyout had precise influence. But I could be mistaken, I'm not really sure on the heirachy of telepathy, is it creators can control humans/zolard/zoanoids and zoalords can only control zoanoids? and where does the bio boost creature fit into it? I dunno rambling...

Gyuot never controlled the Guyver or the bio-boosted creature. During the scene when Guyot says "You were useful to me Enzyme, but no more...Farewell!" He caused Enzyme the Zoanoid to "explode" thus killing the bio-boosted creature with Enzymes blood that spilled out. The Guyver or bio-boosted creature as far as we know has no master.

Also I have been wondering, does anyone know or have a theory about in the manga when Sho's arm was bitten off by Enzyme it later regenerated and created a "Sho clone" and was even able to transform into the bio-boosted monster? Also why didn't Guyver II become a bio-boosted monster instead of dissolving, like Guyver I? I mean yes his control medal was destroyed whereas Guyver I's was simply removed, but that wouldn't matter would it?

The only answer I can come up with that is plausible is that the bio-boosted organism itself does have a "life-span". When Guyver I's bio-boosted organism was harvested/cultivated to become a unit perhaps it was "young" and Guyver II's was already nearing dissolution stage or end of it's life? Like Aptom perhaps whatever the bio-boosted organism "eats" it can mimic it?

Edited September 19, 2013 by Guyver0

[Larz Zahn]

In the 12 episode ova the Guyver 2 organism started to eat the host and it was getting slimmer. In the manga it seemed as if the Guyver 2 organism started to bulk up. So i think that the ova just goofed.

[*Jess♥]

whichever way you look at it, it took maybe a few hours or more for the arm to 'wake up'.

[*V Guyver]

I think overall, upon removal of the G Unit. The host get's devoured by the creature because it's no longer being regulated by the dictations of the control medal. Once that host is eaten, the biobooster creature rebuilds the host body into a new animalistic form that seeks to absorb it's original host and/or reunite with the control medal. It's possible the bio boosted creature had some genetic configuration to try and rejoin with the control medal. That would be a nifty extra security measure should that control medal get ripped off, sort of like the Self preservation mode. This also would fo prevented the creature from going completely rogue on other lifeforms. 

[Gray5]

When the control medal is ripped out the "creature" is just an intermediate stage as it continues to quickly degenerate. It wouldn't last long enough to go searching for the control medal. Now if the control medal came back into contact with the creature and the DNA was not degraded then it would most likely regenerate back into a guyver since it can obviously do it from just a few intact cells.

The damaged control medal of guyver2 basically self destructed like shorting out which caused its demise. The "bulking up" is just the out of control haywire metabolic reactions being caused by the control medals cascade failure.

[Larz Zahn]

In the manga Sho's arm regenerated into a giant creature that hunted down Sho.

[*V Guyver]

In the manga Sho's arm regenerated into a giant creature that hunted down Sho.

Precisely, and in the anime you literally see Sho get eaten, and later transform into the the Guyver Clone Booster creature, then attacking Enzyme trying to get that control medal back. The difference between the the G1 and G2 is that the G2 control medal was apparently damaged so it's not a reliable observation other than seeing the creature devour it's human host. Actually, if it hadn't been killed, it would likely of gone on a rampage to absorb as much life as possible. 

[Guyver0]

I know this is pretty out there, but assuming if the bio-boosted creature does get it's hands on a control medal again and reforms and regenerates it's host is true.  What would happen for example if G2 bio-boosted monster got Sho's control medal, would he just become another Sho?

[Gray5]

Hmmm, good question. Wonder if it would rewrite the host?

[Larz Zahn]

Hmm... Would the bio booster remains be purely bio booster, or would it be human/bio booster hybrid? If the remains slash clone is completely bio booster then any Guyvers control metal should absorb the bio boosted flesh. But what if the clone was comprised of alien and human dna? could any control metal... reacquire the rogue booster creature? Or could only the control with the DNA match be able to absorb it?

[*V Guyver]

That's tricky territory now. But we do have to keep in mind that any previous host data was deleted. The G Unit only has one host DNA written on it. So no alien human hybrids.

As for the clone of another person, I'm guessing that the unit either rejects it because the DNA is of another being and will not try to absorb it. The other possibility is as Blue5ive suggested, maybe the bioboosted creature DNA might be rewritten. Would be nice to see what Takaya's input would be on the matter. 

[Larz Zahn]

I misspoke. When i said human alien hybrid, i meant human bio booster hybrid. Sorry.

[*V Guyver]

no problem, actually someone did make a fanfiction about that on warrior guyvers. It's still a neat concept.